Why is the Ryzen ranked so low?

[mattonfire]

These are real life tests how come the Ryzen is ranked so low compared to other Intel counter parts - I am sure it was better than that.

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Comparison

[ZackCodesAI]

3 minutes ago, mattonfire said:

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I'd say maybe the Intel's single core performance is taking this score to a higher level.

As we know AMD is not that good at single core performance.

 

That's why Ryzen was lagging behind in gaming performance.

[You_are_a_cunt]

I wouldn't call that list as being accurate or reliable.

Afaik userbenchmark mostly relies on single-core performance and I'm not really sure how they get their results.

My previous build got similar scores to my current one, which is odd to say the least (FX 4300 at 5GHz versus R5 1600 at 3.75GHz)

[mattonfire]

27 minutes ago, Zackbare said:

I'd say maybe the Intel's single core performance is taking this score to a higher level.

As we know AMD is not that good at single core performance.

 

That's why Ryzen was lagging behind in gaming performance.

I really want a new CPU all I do really is gaming. I thought that most if not all popular titles now utilize multiple cores. Should I go for a Intel Core i7-7740X?

[tom_w141]

Just now, mattonfire said:

I really want a new CPU all I do really is gaming

7700k

 

Just now, mattonfire said:

Should I go for a Intel Core i7-7740X

God please no. That means buying a motherboard that's as expensive as the CPU and then using a CPU to disable half the features. Kabylake-X should not exist.

[mattonfire]

1 minute ago, tom_w141 said:

7700k

 

God please no. That means buying a motherboard that's as expensive as the CPU and then using a CPU to disable half the features. Kabylake-X should not exist.

Doesn't that mean that if I want to upgrade in the future the non Kabylake-X board will become obselete stop functioning?

[tom_w141]

Just now, mattonfire said:

Doesn't that mean that if I want to upgrade in the future the non Kabylake-X board will become obselete stop functioning?

LGA1151 should become obsolete next year yes. But that doesn't mean it will stop working it just means there is no upgrade path. You do have an upgrade path with X299 but only more cores. You wouldn't be able to use the next generation coffee lake on either motherboard. So unless in the future you need a lot of cores for work use X299 won't suit you any better.

[mattonfire]

32 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

LGA1151 should become obsolete next year yes. But that doesn't mean it will stop working it just means there is no upgrade path. You do have an upgrade path with X299 but only more cores. You wouldn't be able to use the next generation coffee lake on either motherboard. So unless in the future you need a lot of cores for work use X299 won't suit you any better.

What would you do, I don't have lots of money at this point and I don't NEED a new CPU but it's only an i5 4690k and holding back in some applications e..g Battlegrounds.

[ZackCodesAI]

18 minutes ago, mattonfire said:

What would you do, I don't have lots of money at this point and I don't NEED a new CPU but it's only an i5 4690k and holding back in some applications e..g Battlegrounds.

Go for 6700k, good for saving a few bucks.

[ZackCodesAI]

Just now, Zackbare said:

Go for 6700k, good for saving a few bucks.

Even 6600k is good.

[xsimplyjosh]

i think their x299 is a joke to be honest so expensive mobos on top of the cpus so i dived towards a 1151 system [despite some will cull me out for buying old overpriced"" tech] . . . doesn't make sense really, it isn't groundbreaking in layman terms apart the "more cores + thread" but imo 4/8 c/t is fine enough for me. and i dont see 8/16 any benefit for now that is. 

 

edit: personally if u into gaming consider 1151 lineup//7700k imo, if you can find them on sale [which i did and saved 160aud combined cpu mobo ram] it is a bargain not to be missed... 740aud vs 900aud...

 

edit: the sale was ebays 20% off thingy for EOFY if ppl were wondering before i get questioned*

[tom_w141]

31 minutes ago, mattonfire said:

What would you do, I don't have lots of money at this point and I don't NEED a new CPU but it's only an i5 4690k and holding back in some applications e..g Battlegrounds.

If all you do is gaming get a 7700k and a Z270 motherboard.

 

If you do gaming, multitasking, content creating or streaming then consider a Ryzen 1600. It has 6 cores/12 threads and is only ~10-15% behind the 7700k in gaming for $100+ less (the difference cannot be seen unless using a high 120+Hz monitor). Also the socket is new and guaranteed for 4 years so you could upgrade without a new motherboard in 4 years time.

[tom_w141]

11 minutes ago, Zackbare said:

Even 6600k is good.

Buying a 4 thread cpu in 2017 is bad   unless its like $100. R5> i5

[mattonfire]

5 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

If all you do is gaming get a 7700k and a Z270 motherboard.

 

If you do gaming, multitasking, content creating or streaming then consider a Ryzen 1600. It has 6 cores/12 threads and is only ~10-15% behind the 7700k in gaming for $100+ less (the difference cannot be seen unless using a high 120+Hz monitor). Also the socket is new and guaranteed for 4 years so you could upgrade without a new motherboard in 4 years time.

So you'd recommend Ryzen okay - fair dooze., which mobo then?

[tom_w141]

Just now, mattonfire said:

So you'd recommend Ryzen okay - fair dooze., which mobo then?

I actually recommended both  I just said if you want an upgrade path in the future that won't require a new motherboard then Ryzen is your only real choice.

 

Any decent B350 (not MSI) will be fine and allow overclocking. However if you are keeping a board for 4+ years you may want to consider a "premium" board to last longer. The AsRock Taichi and Asus Crosshair are both excellent choices and would be solid for years. A better motherboard will also squeeze the most out of your chip.

[mattonfire]

2 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

I actually recommended both  I just said if you want an upgrade path in the future that won't require a new motherboard then Ryzen is your only real choice.

 

Any decent B350 (not MSI) will be fine and allow overclocking. However if you are keeping a board for 4+ years you may want to consider a "premium" board to last longer. The AsRock Taichi and Asus Crosshair are both excellent choices and would be solid for years. A better motherboard will also squeeze the most out of your chip.

I would prefer to not have to change my motherboard too frequently - is this what you mean? ASRock Taichi

[Princess Luna]

28 minutes ago, Zackbare said:

Even 6600k is good.

It actually is awful, people should stop thinking overclocking is a must, you're wasting money, much better get the cheapest h110m motherboard there is with the i7 7700 for the same if not cheaper price.

[mattonfire]

2 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

It actually is awful, people should stop thinking overclocking is a must, you're wasting money, much better get the cheapest h110m motherboard there is with the i7 7700 for the same if not cheaper price.

It won't last long though, not up-gradable.

[Princess Luna]

Just now, mattonfire said:

It won't last long though, not up-gradable.

Why would it even have to be? the motherboard by itself is roughly 50bucks, by the time you want or need a new CPU (lets say around the time Canon Lake is here on the 10nm lithography) you can just get again the cheapest possible motherboard pair with the current locked i7 and done, this is the cheapest and best way to have that high end gaming of your dreams.

 

The gap between an i7 7700k @5.0ghz and the i7 7700 @4,2ghz is so damn small you will not even notice it while you're gaming, both are respectively the best CPUs for frames pushing regardless and neither will bottleneck any video card on the market.

 

Now the difference in how much you'll have to pay delidding, getting expensive good cooling, a good z270 motherboard is quite high and could mean the difference between getting a GTX 1080 to a GTX 1080ti for instance.

 

In my honest opinion you'd be much better off saving this money getting the cheapest h110m, stock cooling and the i7 7700 to allocate it to the best possible GPU instead of crippling your GPU in favor of those 0,8ghz that will not make as much difference as.

 

Also get a x299 for gaming is the stupidest thing you could do, HEDT is a heavy load truck not a Ferrari, the Ferrari is the i7 7700/7700k fastest possible, you'll spend a shit ton of money to get an i7 7740x which is the exact same thing and later upgrade to an i9 7900x which will also have the same gaming performance and the multi-treading multi-tasking of it will be most likely wasted.

 

Alternatively a b350+Ryzen 5 1600 also would work nice but for a gaming strict only rig I still favour the locked i7 7700.

[tom_w141]

32 minutes ago, mattonfire said:

I would prefer to not have to change my motherboard too frequently - is this what you mean? ASRock Taichi

Yes I meant buying a better board would last you longer. Yes that is the one I referred to. That or the Crosshair up to you  

[mattonfire]

On 7/17/2017 at 3:43 PM, Princess Cadence said:

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It's terribly annoying that multiple people are arguing and I don't know who to go with. You're saying go for a i7 7700 without overclocking features and get a cheap board without overclocking features, right?

On 7/17/2017 at 3:17 PM, tom_w141 said:

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You're saying that 4 thread CPU is bad in 2017. 

 

I pretty much only game, word applications maybe some rendering a few times but time isn't an issue for me. I don't need top speed, I do multi task applications since I do a lot of project manager things.

 

Someone please give me a solid THIS ONE

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, mattonfire said:

It's terribly annoying that multiple people are arguing and I don't know who to go with. You're saying go for a i7 7700 without overclocking features and get a cheap board without overclocking features, right?

Pretty much, best value in my opinion, I don't see as worth the extra expensive cost to get and overclock an i7 7700k to 5ghz, either you go the i7 7700 cheapening all you can or go Ryzen 7 1700 on a b350.

[tom_w141]

4 minutes ago, mattonfire said:

You're saying that 4 thread CPU is bad in 2017. 

An i7 is an 8 thread CPU. 2 threads per core. A 4 thread cpu like an i5 is a bad buy when the 6 core 12 thread 1600 exists for the same price.

[Guest]

On 7/17/2017 at 10:24 AM, tom_w141 said:

I actually recommended both  I just said if you want an upgrade path in the future that won't require a new motherboard then Ryzen is your only real choice.

 

Any decent B350 (not MSI) will be fine and allow overclocking. However if you are keeping a board for 4+ years you may want to consider a "premium" board to last longer. The AsRock Taichi and Asus Crosshair are both excellent choices and would be solid for years. A better motherboard will also squeeze the most out of your chip.

I'd like to add to this somewhat Gigabyte has the hottest VRM temps on their b350 boards. Unless you buy a 4 core ryzen b350 boards simply aren't good enough for 1.4v temps go to 150+C on actual vrm temps. 

 

However the ASRock Taichi is very nice probably the best VRM temps and components on x370

[mattonfire]

Okii, I should go for a i7 7700k, £10 or so in it. Which board should I get - I think the ASRock Taichi is a tad expensive for something I will replace in a year or so.