i73930k to Ryzen 5 1600?

[DamonMBK]

I feel like its time to move up a platform even tho this system is doing great from gaming to streaming and rendering. Is it worth moving to the Ryzen 5 1600 from the i73930k or would I see no real performance change?

 

I have my i73930k OC'd to 4.4 ghz, Is Ryzen still limited to 4.0 ghz? 

 

Included my cine-bench score just for reference.

[WereCat]

Not worth it for the R5 1600, step it up to R7 1700. Yes, 4GHz is about it unless you get very lucky. Still, it will be an improvement if you can match it with fast RAM.

[Elehat]

No, you're still good.

[tom_w141]

The R5 1600 would improve all 3 of the use cases mentioned especially streaming via x264 encoding. As above an R7 1700 would be even more of an improvement but not in gaming at the present time.  Most can do 4GHz but yes with Zen 1 (all Ryzen's this year) 4-4.1 is the max under conventional cooling methods. This is a hardware limitation and won't be fixed in a BIOS update so overclocking results are here to stay.

[Jurrunio]

3930k is fine. Ryzen 1700 is better, but not necessary unless you are really into streaming and rendering.

[Simon771]

Yes, still limited to 4,0GHz, if you can even acchive that.

You would be doing sidegreade rather than anything else.

 

Performance wise it would be about the same.

 

I get 150cb score for single core performance on my R7 1700 at 3,85GHz.

So if you get Ryzen at 4,0GHz, it will be only about 3% better than your current CPU. If even that.

 

If you don't have any problems with your current rig, stay with it. But if you want to upgrade, go to R7 1700 ... you will have same single core performance, but better multi core performance.

[DamonMBK]

Thanks guys, seems like I may as well go for the 1700 then. Appreciate the input/help. 

[He_162]

Ryzen 5 1600 at stock gets 1140, and at 3.8ghz it can get 1260.

 

That being said, not all Ryzen chips can get 4ghz, if you want guaranteed 4ghz, get the Ryzen 5 1600x and a water cooler.

 

If you want noticeable improvement in games, don't get the R7 1700 unless you also plan to overclock the crap out of it.

[App4that]

2 hours ago, He_162 said:

 

If you want noticeable improvement in games, don't get the R7 1700 unless you also plan to overclock the crap out of it.

What's overclocked to crap by your definition? My 1700X at 3.9GHz beats my old 4790k in games at 1440. Oddly the more demanding the game, the more the 1700X wins.

[He_162]

14 hours ago, App4that said:

What's overclocked to crap by your definition? My 1700X at 3.9GHz beats my old 4790k in games at 1440. Oddly the more demanding the game, the more the 1700X wins.

I said noticeable, and overclock the crap means push it to the limit.

 

Anyway, I was referencing in comparison to the performance of a R5 1600 / x, since those have higher stock clocks, and single core performance in games at the higher clocks, so if hes doing stock speeds for games, the R5 1600x is best

[App4that]

16 hours ago, He_162 said:

I said noticeable, and overclock the crap means push it to the limit.

 

Anyway, I was referencing in comparison to the performance of a R5 1600 / x, since those have higher stock clocks, and single core performance in games at the higher clocks, so if hes doing stock speeds for games, the R5 1600x is best

There's really no reason to not overclock a Ryzen CPU. In most bios it takes 15 seconds and a few mouse clicks. Almost too easy. And temps are not a concern once you set the voltage. 

[NicholasNicholasNicholas]

On 6/6/2017 at 5:19 AM, DamonMBK said:

I feel like its time to move up a platform even tho this system is doing great from gaming to streaming and rendering. Is it worth moving to the Ryzen 5 1600 from the i73930k or would I see no real performance change?

 

I have my i73930k OC'd to 4.4 ghz, Is Ryzen still limited to 4.0 ghz? 

 

Included my cine-bench score just for reference.

imo its not worth it

[He_162]

4 hours ago, App4that said:

There's really no reason to not overclock a Ryzen CPU. In most bios it takes 15 seconds and a few mouse clicks. Almost too easy. And temps are not a concern once you set the voltage. 

You can't get a good overclock on a budghet whatsoever, you need a 120mm liquid cooler or better for 1.3125v or higher on a 6 core, and 1.35v on a 4 core or higher.

[App4that]

29 minutes ago, He_162 said:

You can't get a good overclock on a budghet whatsoever, you need a 120mm liquid cooler or better for 1.3125v or higher on a 6 core, and 1.35v on a 4 core or higher.

LOL!!! Not on Ryzen. My 1700X is cooler than my 4790k. Uses less power too. 

[JoostinOnline]

33 minutes ago, He_162 said:

You can't get a good overclock on a budghet whatsoever, you need a 120mm liquid cooler or better for 1.3125v or higher on a 6 core, and 1.35v on a 4 core or higher.

A good air cooler is better than a 120mm liquid cooler.

[He_162]

36 minutes ago, App4that said:

LOL!!! Not on Ryzen. My 1700X is cooler than my 4790k. Uses less power too. 

My Ryzen 5 1600x cannot reach it's max overclock on the stock cooler without dipping into the 90C temp area. (4ghz)

 

Your Ryzen 7 1700x doesn't come with a stock cooler, or if it does, it comes with the good Wraith Max cooler, and if you looked at the part "ON a budget" You'd realize they'd have the R7 1700 or R5 1600x at that price, and neither comes with a Wraith Max as far as I know.

 

33 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

A good air cooler is better than a 120mm liquid cooler.

Also more or equally expensive, and far less appealing.

[App4that]

1 minute ago, He_162 said:

My Ryzen 5 1600x cannot reach it's max overclock on the stock cooler without dipping into the 90C temp area. (4ghz)

 

Your Ryzen 7 1700x doesn't come with a stock cooler, or if it does, it comes with the good Wraith Max cooler, and if you looked at the part "ON a budget" You'd realize they'd have the R7 1700 or R5 1600x at that price, and neither comes with a Wraith Max as far as I know.

 

Also more or equally expensive, and far less appealing.

Ma bro has a 1700 with and used the stock Wraith, he got a 4GHz overclock with it. You sure you're not looking at the offset? You're probably at 70c. 

[He_162]

36 minutes ago, App4that said:

Ma bro has a 1700 with and used the stock Wraith, he got a 4GHz overclock with it. You sure you're not looking at the offset? You're probably at 70c. 

No it's not the offset, I was using multiple methods of checking the temperature and it throttled at the correct time, I also had it mounted correctly.

 

Your brother must have gotten quite a good chip, my R5 1600 maxes out at 3.85ghz, so chances are, he's pretty lucky.

 

If he's using the offset to determine temps, you should remind him the R7 1700 doesn't have an offset.

This will be 95% of results with Ryzen on the stock cooler: (3.85ghz @1.3 - 1.4v and at or around 75 - 90C)

 

[Emberstone]

My 1600X at 4.0 GHz scores 1322 for the multicore and 163 for the single score tests in Cinebench. Considering those aren't too far off of your 3930K, I wouldn't say it's a viable upgrade since you'll have to buy into a whole new platform, including new memory.

 

Pretty much these are your upgrade options right now: if you want better gaming performance, then the 7700K is the best out there for gaming. If you want better streaming performance or higher quality, then the R7-1700 is what you want if you're comfortable overclocking. The 1700X is a decent bit better and not much more expensive if you aren't. Either way, you'll see higher framerates in games regardless just due to better IPC on either platform (though less-so on Ryzen than on a 7700K).

 

That said, the 3930K is still a pretty good CPU, especially overclocked. I wouldn't be too worried about it. I was using an i7-980X, a first-gen i7, until two months ago. At 4.0 GHz, that scored 927 and 121 in Cinebench. Needless to say, the 1600X is a fair bit better than that. Lol.

[DamonMBK]

4 hours ago, Emberstone said:

My 1600X at 4.0 GHz scores 1322 for the multicore and 163 for the single score tests in Cinebench. Considering those aren't too far off of your 3930K, I wouldn't say it's a viable upgrade since you'll have to buy into a whole new platform, including new memory.

 

Pretty much these are your upgrade options right now: if you want better gaming performance, then the 7700K is the best out there for gaming. If you want better streaming performance or higher quality, then the R7-1700 is what you want if you're comfortable overclocking. The 1700X is a decent bit better and not much more expensive if you aren't. Either way, you'll see higher framerates in games regardless just due to better IPC on either platform (though less-so on Ryzen than on a 7700K).

 

That said, the 3930K is still a pretty good CPU, especially overclocked. I wouldn't be too worried about it. I was using an i7-980X, a first-gen i7, until two months ago. At 4.0 GHz, that scored 927 and 121 in Cinebench. Needless to say, the 1600X is a fair bit better than that. Lol.

Thank you! 

[JoostinOnline]

8 hours ago, He_162 said:

Also more or equally expensive, and far less appealing.

Meh, I'd rather have good cooling that a POS one just for the looks. I've got a Cryorig R1 Ultimate, and it looks pretty good anyway. Plus if it breaks it won't ruin my entire system. 

[He_162]

9 hours ago, JoostinOnline said:

Meh, I'd rather have good cooling that a POS one just for the looks. I've got a Cryorig R1 Ultimate, and it looks pretty good anyway. Plus if it breaks it won't ruin my entire system. 

You'd rather have good cooling than a POS one just for looks?

So you're Cryorig R1 Ultimate that's giving POS cooling and has some looks is the exact opposite and you're using that?

I've had 7 AIO water coolers, and never broke a single one, you pretty much have to break it yourself by the way, or in shipping, either way, if the company sent you a broken product and it ruined your system you could make them pay for it in America.

[JoostinOnline]

28 minutes ago, He_162 said:

You'd rather have good cooling than a POS one just for looks?

So you're Cryorig R1 Ultimate that's giving POS cooling and has some looks is the exact opposite and you're using that?

I've had 7 AIO water coolers, and never broke a single one, you pretty much have to break it yourself by the way, or in shipping, either way, if the company sent you a broken product and it ruined your system you could make them pay for it in America.

The Cryorig R1 series are some of the best coolers on the market.  I don't understand how that classifies as POS.  AOI coolers don't really work better than (high end) air coolers.  They just take longer to heat up (and cool down).  They do look better though, I'll agree with that.

 

I'm not surprised none of your units have broken.  Leaks aren't very common.  I'm just a little paranoid about $1000 of equipment, which I'm sure you can understand.

[jjohnthedon1]

Get the 1700 dude 

[i_build_nanosuits]

i7-3930K to R5 1600 is a sidegrade.

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-3930K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1600/1487vs3919