Best AM4 - B350 Mobo for 1600x [OC]

[Arcanekitten]

What is the best B350 mobo for ~€100.

Needs to atleast have 4 sata ports and 2 pci-e 3.0 16x and ATX is preferred.

Planning to OC so VRM cooling is a must.

 

Also, does anybody know which manufacturerer atm is pushing the hardest with updates for ryzen? 

 

Thanks,

 

[RadiatingLight]

Asrock AB350 Pro 4 seems good.

Lots of power phases, looks good, ATX, and has a pretty good BIOS track record

[DocSwag]

There aren't any with two pcie x16 3.0 electrical out there. Just physical (but one in reality is gonna be an x4 slot or something).

 

Maybe Prime Plus? Not too sure tho.

[DocSwag]

Just now, RadiatingLight said:

Asrock AB350 Pro 4 seems good.

Lots of power phases, looks good, ATX, and has a pretty good BIOS track record

It looks like it has 6 phases but it's really 3, check Buildzoid's analysis of it, the phases are in groups of two so that it looks like there are 6 but it's really just 3 with 6 stuck on there to make it look better.

 

A lot of others have 4 so it's actually worse.

[Megah3rtz]

MSI b350 PC mate has all of those, though I'm not sure how good the VRMs are themself. 

 

It has 4+2 phase afaik. 

[RadiatingLight]

1 minute ago, DocSwag said:

It looks like it has 6 phases but it's really 3, check Buildzoid's analysis of it, the phases are in groups of two so that it looks like there are 6 but it's really just 3 with 6 stuck on there to make it look better.

 

A lot of others have 4 so it's actually worse.

Wow.

Would've been nice to know before I bought one.

(But I'm OC'ing with the stock cooler anyway, so it really doesn't matter that much)

 

[Megah3rtz]

3 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

It looks like it has 6 phases but it's really 3, check Buildzoid's analysis of it, the phases are in groups of two so that it looks like there are 6 but it's really just 3 with 6 stuck on there to make it look better.

 

A lot of others have 4 so it's actually worse.

Well I dodged a bullet. 

[BluJay614]

9 minutes ago, Arcanekitten said:

What is the best B350 mobo for ~€100.

Needs to atleast have 4 sata ports and 2 pci-e 3.0 16x and ATX is preferred.

Planning to OC so VRM cooling is a must.

 

Also, does anybody know which manufacturerer atm is pushing the hardest with updates for ryzen? 

 

Thanks,

 

if you need 2 PCIe 16x slots (presumably for multi-gpu) You need X370, not B350.

[Megah3rtz]

Just now, BluJay614 said:

if you need 2 PCIe 16x slots (presumably for multi-gpu) You need X370, not B350.

No. Certain B350 supports crossfire. You only need X370 for SLI. 

[BluJay614]

Just now, Megah3rtz said:

No. Certain B350 supports crossfire. You only need X370 for SLI. 

True, so long as you are willing to take a bit more of a bandwidth hit.

[Arcanekitten]

I ment just physically not electrically

 

Just in case I get some it in my head to crossfire a AMD GPU.

[Arcanekitten]

Just now, BluJay614 said:

True, so long as you are willing to take a bit more of a bandwidth hit.

Shouldn't be a issue as PCI-e 2.0 8x works for crossfire and Pci-e 3.0 4x is the same.

[DocSwag]

5 minutes ago, Megah3rtz said:

MSI b350 PC mate has all of those, though I'm not sure how good the VRMs are themself. 

 

It has 4+2 phase afaik. 

I think pretty much all the decent B350 boards are 4 phase . Just took a quick look at the tomahawk, mortar, prime plus, and gaming 3 and it looks like they're all 4 phase. AFAIK it's only the X370 boards that use more than 4.

3 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

Wow.

Would've been nice to know before I bought one.

(But I'm OC'ing with the stock cooler anyway, so it really doesn't matter that much)

 

Yeah, probably only matters if you're trying to push around 4ghz, though even then I'm not sure.

 

(don't worry I recommended it to a ton of people on the forum before finding out so...)

2 minutes ago, Megah3rtz said:

Well I dodged a bullet. 

I wouldn't say Pro4 is horrible though, just not as good.

1 minute ago, Arcanekitten said:

Shouldn't be a issue as PCI-e 2.0 8x works for crossfire and Pci-e 3.0 4x is the same.

Not really, 3.0 is not quite double 2.0 (I think it's like 1.6 times faster per pin?) so 2.0 x8 is actually a bit faster.

[tom_w141]

@Arcanekitten

 

Buy an 1600, don't get an X model its pointless if you are OCing. Use the money saved (1600 also includes a decent cooler) and buy an X370 board

[Arcanekitten]

1 minute ago, DocSwag said:

I think pretty much all the decent B350 boards are 4 phase . Just took a quick look at the tomahawk, mortar, prime plus, and gaming 3 and it looks like they're all 4 phase. AFAIK it's only the X370 boards that use more than 4.

Yeah, probably only matters if you're trying to push around 4ghz, though even then I'm not sure.

 

(don't worry I recommended it to a ton of people on the forum before finding out so...)

I wouldn't say Pro4 is horrible though, just not as good.

Not really, 3.0 is not quite double 2.0 (I think it's like 1.6 times faster per pin?) so 2.0 x8 is actually a bit faster.

PCI-e 2.0 is 500MB/s per lane and PCI-e 3.0 is 985MB/s per lane.

Thus 4GB/s vs 3.94GB/s I.e Margine of error

[DocSwag]

1 minute ago, Arcanekitten said:

PCI-e 2.0 is 500MB/s per lane and PCI-e 3.0 is 985MB/s per lane.

Thus 4GB/s vs 3.94GB/s I.e Margine of error

Welp I remembered incorrectly  

[Megah3rtz]

16 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

I think pretty much all the decent B350 boards are 4 phase . Just took a quick look at the tomahawk, mortar, prime plus, and gaming 3 and it looks like they're all 4 phase. AFAIK it's only the X370 boards that use more than 4.

it was a statement, rather than just adding on to the previous comment. So I spaced it out

[Coaxialgamer]

I'd recommend the gigabyte b350 gaming 3 ( i have one ) . Power delivery is stable and it has slightly more phases on SOC/CPU than other boards i've seen . GB is also pushing BIOS updates pretty fast , so that's a plus .

It has 6 sata 3.0 ports and 3 reinforced pcie x16 slots ( physical , not electrical ) .

Plus it has 5 fan/pump headers.

[Coaxialgamer]

29 minutes ago, Megah3rtz said:

No. Certain B350 supports crossfire. You only need X370 for SLI. 

crossfire works just fine , but you'll notice many boards are wired at 16x/4x instead of 8x/8x on x370. That's one of the reasons sli doesn't work btw.