4x 980Ti vs 2x 1080Ti

[Biggerboot]

Just now, othertomperson said:

I also don't think any new system builder really wants to be jumping straight into multiple 1080 Tis. At the same time 5 years ago the market wasn't as striated by resolution as much as now. A 1080 Ti (and especially two) was geared at 4K and won't give any 1080p benefit at all. Anything over a 560, however, was always going to be used for 1080p or 1440p. The only things two 580s got you were framerate and time before upgrading.

Right, the current market is definitely different.  I would still apply that for newbies even looking at Crossfire'd 480s or SLI 1070s though.  I know as a newbie dual cards just seemed like the cool thing to do.  That's not to say you couldn't get a value out of those configurations, but my points from above still apply.  Research how your config will run with the desired games, and you should be happy with your setup.

[AntonChigurh]

1 minute ago, pas008 said:

lol wow you are lost arent you

should I quote your shit quotes again?

Oh dear god you're bad at this. You addressed none of my claims, and simply said "wow ur bad lol". Come on, just admit you lost and save some face instead of carrying on like this.

[pas008]

19 hours ago, N1ghtshade said:

That's the point. You'd probably get a lot better performance out of something like a 7700k. Gaming does better with fewer, faster cores.

plz tell me how much more

[AntonChigurh]

Just now, pas008 said:

plz tell me how much more

How much more? Well i'd say about double the fps of a haswell at 720p.

[pas008]

Just now, N1ghtshade said:

How much more? Well i'd say about double the fps of a haswell at 720p.

learn how to follow the conversation?

what resolution was frank running what cards what performance did he get

no plz tell me how much more

[othertomperson]

13 minutes ago, Biggerboot said:

Right, the current market is definitely different.  I would still apply that for newbies even looking at Crossfire'd 480s or SLI 1070s though.  I know as a newbie dual cards just seemed like the cool thing to do.  That's not to say you couldn't get a value out of those configurations, but my points from above still apply.  Research how your config will run with the desired games, and you should be happy with your setup.

The 1070 is actually one of the few cases I make an exception. Or at least, I did before the 1080 Ti existed. When the 1080 was the fastest GPU, the 1070 was only second fastest by a tiny margin. It's an incredibly marginally cut down 1080, but was like £200 less. SLIing 1070s would save £400 over SLIing 1080s -- the entire price of a third 1070 -- for essentially the exact same thing more or less (not that I would recommend that or that it was even possible with Pascal in most cases). 

 

It's the reason that SLIing two 1080 Tis makes sense over Titan Xps, or 2x Furies over Fury Xs. The second tier that's based on the same actual GPU nearly always makes sense to SLI rather than going the full GPU at a premium.

 

A 1080 Ti is like £700. A Titan Xp is £1159. I would probably more gladly spend the £1400 on two 1080 Tis over the £1200 on the single Titan.

 

I remember when my two GTX 970s cost only around £100 more than a single 980. In that scenario, the single 980 would have been a complete rip off.

 

Again, this logic doesn't work so well for low end cards.

[AntonChigurh]

Just now, pas008 said:

learn how to follow the conversation?

what resolution was frank running what cards what performance did he get

no plz tell me how much more

I am following it. Are you just oblivious?

He was running at 1080p I believe (don't quote me on that though), dual 980tis, and he got 60+ fps

What does this have to do with Haswell vs Kaby Lake?

[pas008]

1 minute ago, N1ghtshade said:

I am following it. Are you just oblivious?

He was running at 1080p I believe (don't quote me on that though), dual 980tis, and he got 60+ fps

What does this have to do with Haswell vs Kaby Lake?

oh wow plz re read lol

[DildorTheDecent]

If the children in the thread can go to their designated time outs that would be great. 

 

@paps511 just buy a Titan Xp  

[AntonChigurh]

Just now, pas008 said:

oh wow plz re read lol

I've read it multiple times. Don't try to beat around the bush. You lost this argument. Now BTFO. Kaby lake > Haswell

[pas008]

1 minute ago, DildorTheDecent said:

If the children in the thread can go to their designated time outs that would be great. 

 

@paps511 just buy a Titan Xp  

lol

 

Just now, N1ghtshade said:

I've read it multiple times. Don't try to beat around the bush. You lost this argument. Now BTFO. Kaby lake > Haswell

your arguement was haswell was holding him back alot which proved alittle if that

wasnt about which was greater

learn to read

[Biggerboot]

6 minutes ago, othertomperson said:

I remember when my two GTX 970s cost only around £100 more than a single 980. In that scenario, the single 980 would have been a complete rip off.

I hear ya there.  The gap between the 970/980 was almost non-existent, and the vRAM requirements were still relatively low.  So that definitely made sense if you wanted more performance.

[pas008]

19 hours ago, Frankenburger said:

You're objectively wrong

SLI Off.txt

SLI On.txt

 

19 hours ago, N1ghtshade said:

Why in god's name do you have a Haswell in a gaming pc?

 

19 hours ago, N1ghtshade said:

You have a Haswell in your rig. Think that might be the problem buddy

 

19 hours ago, App4that said:

I run a 4790k LOL

 

19 hours ago, N1ghtshade said:

That's the point. You'd probably get a lot better performance out of something like a 7700k. Gaming does better with fewer, faster cores.

 

where was the arguement of the best?

[AntonChigurh]

1 minute ago, pas008 said:

Where was your argument the best?

1.) That wasn't the argument I was talking about. i was talking about our argument on Haswell vs Kaby lake

2.) Can you even spell, use correct grammar, and use proper capitalization?

3.) FTFY

[pas008]

1 minute ago, N1ghtshade said:

1.) That wasn't the argument I was talking about. i was talking about our argument on Haswell vs Kaby lake

2.) Can you even spell, use correct grammar, and use proper capitalization?

3.) FTFY

[AntonChigurh]

2 minutes ago, pas008 said:

Ah yes, memes are gonna help you win. That wasn't even my main point. I just made it a side note because my 12 year old sister has better writing skills than you

[pas008]

Just now, N1ghtshade said:

Ah yes, memes are gonna help you win. That wasn't even my main point. I just made it a side note because my 12 year old sister has better writing skills than you

oh this isnt a forum?

hurry up many grammar mistakes all over the place better go

 

oh wait better go back and edit many of your posts too

 

hahahaha

[AntonChigurh]

6 minutes ago, pas008 said:

oh this isnt a forum?

hurry up many grammar mistakes all over the place better go

 

oh wait better go back and edit many of your posts too

 

hahahaha

I don't make grammar mistakes. Congratulations, you played yourself

[SteveGrabowski0]

30 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

If the children in the thread can go to their designated time outs that would be great. 

 

@paps511 just buy a Titan Xp  

No, he should buy three

[DildorTheDecent]

8 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

No, he should buy three

Might have to give up a kidney though. 

[SteveGrabowski0]

1 minute ago, DildorTheDecent said:

Might have to give up a kidney though. 

Kidneys don't scale well beyond one anyways.

[App4that]

1 hour ago, N1ghtshade said:

1.) That wasn't the argument I was talking about. i was talking about our argument on Haswell vs Kaby lake

2.) Can you even spell, use correct grammar, and use proper capitalization?

3.) FTFY

Brah, Haswell to Kabylake is nothing, 10% at best clock for clock. Plus that 10% is mostly memory, not from the CPU.

 

I'm not saying anyone should buy Haswell over Kabylake, that's silly. You buy Ryzen.

[othertomperson]

23 minutes ago, App4that said:

Brah, Haswell to Kabylake is nothing, 10% at best clock for clock. Plus that 10% is mostly memory, not from the CPU.

 

I'm not saying anyone should buy Haswell over Kabylake, that's silly. You buy Ryzen.

Ryzen's only good if you have something that takes advantage of more cores and hyperthreading, and even games which do tend to be better in Intel at the moment. There are still games that do better on the 6900K than the 7700K, but don't do better on Ryzen which implies more than just a thread/speed issue.

 

It's also inaccurate to only talk about "clock for clock". Skylake offered a reasonable improvement in IPC over Broadwell/Haswell, but Kaby Lake's improvements in the process itself allowed clock speeds to increase dramatically. You'd need to underclock Kaby Lake substantially to make a clock for clock comparison, which would be taking away a large part of what makes Kaby Lake in real terms so much better.

 

Remember when AMD were comparing IPC with the 6900K to show that they were level with Broadwell, but to do it they had to massively underclock the 6900K? Well now we know why. IPC is indeed there, but clock speeds are not.

 

If AMD (or more accurately, Global Foundries) could replicate Intel's improvements for Kaby Lake in the next generation of Ryzen then overnight Ryzen would be much better competitor to Skylake i7s without any change in IPC at all.

[TheNaitsyrk]

This thread helped me decide to get a single 1080 TI. When I seen the Tech of Tomorrow video about 1080 TI SLI vs Single 1080 TI I was really moving away from the SLI idea.

 

Like some games scaled backwards which is ultra weird, and you know what. I'll lower my details to high to match the SLI setup or at least get closer. I'm not going to cry high vs ultra details.

 

I agree with upgrading 1080 TI to SLI when it gets cheaper / when you need more performance IN THE FUTURE. Going SLI now is kinda pointless, unless you have the money and you like to brag that you have 1080 TI SLI.

 

If you play at 4K then even then SLI is not needed 'cause the scaling sucks and only 60Hz monitors are available now, and even when 120Hz monitors come out the CPU will be a bottleneck. Not to mention those displays will cost thousands of dollars, so you'd really have to shit out money to afford that.

 

I personally wanted to buy RIGHT NOW 1080 SLI, 'cause it got cheaper and the performance is a little bit higher than 1080 TI single, but when I noticed that scaling and microstutters and other issues occur I kinda decided to not get the SLI.

 

Also the extra 3GB of VRAM will help in the future. Ghost Recon at 4K takes 8.3Gb of VRAM on 1080 TI just FYI, and OBVIOUSLY when you SLI the VRAM doesn't stack, so I'd be stuck with 8GB of VRAM.

 

The upgrade path is also better with single 1080 TI 'cause adding 3rd 1080 to your system is not even allow you to open games, JayzTwoCents tested it, but if you add 2nd 1080 TI it's gonna be fine-ish.

 

When it comes to the Haswell vs Kabylake discussion. I previously owned 4790k OC to 4.8Ghz and it's probably only 10% slower than 7700K OC. I wouldn't really give a damn about the differences 'cause they're ultra small.

 

The only problem I am having is the choice of WHICH 1080 TI TO PICK. I want the best performing one. Stuck between 1080 TI AORUS EXTREME vs ZOTAC AMP EXTREME (Zotac one was best 1080 back then so I'm not sure which one to pick btw.)

[App4that]

1 minute ago, othertomperson said:

Ryzen's only good if you have something that takes advantage of more cores and hyperthreading, and even games which do tend to be better in Intel at the moment. There are still games that do better on the 6900K than the 7700K, but don't do better on Ryzen which implies more than just a thread/speed issue.

 

It's also inaccurate to only talk about "clock for clock". Skylake offered a reasonable improvement in IPC over Broadwell/Haswell, but Kaby Lake's improvements in the process itself allowed clock speeds to increase dramatically. You'd need to underclock Kaby Lake substantially to make a clock for clock comparison, which would be taking away a large part of what makes Kaby Lake in real terms so much better.

 

If AMD (or more accurately, Global Foundries) could replicate Intel's improvements for Kaby Lake in the next generation of Ryzen then overnight Ryzen would be much better competitor to Skylake i7s without any change in IPC at all.

First off Ryzen has changed a lot just in the short time since launch, the gaming performance is RAM related, use the right RAM and Ryzen games just fine.

 

Second... My 4790k runs at 4.7Ghz. That's 300mhz off of an overclocked 7700k. 300mhz is not substantial.