Switching from a i7 to ryzen?

[kennakenna]

Would switching from a  i7 4790 to a ryzen 1700 be wise? for content creation and gaming? Im planning on building a new PC and I'm not sure whether to get rid of my i7 for a full AMD build or not. What do you think?

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, kennakenna said:

Would switching from a  i7 4790 to a ryzen 1700 be wise? for content creation and gaming? Im planning on building a new PC and I'm not sure whether to get rid of my i7 for a full AMD build or not. What do you think?

Nope, just nope for gaming, but content creation can be a plus for it.

[kennakenna]

4 minutes ago, Factory OC said:

Nope, just nope for gaming, but content creation can be a plus for it.

Yes but is it worth getting rid of the i7?

[Guest]

Just now, kennakenna said:

Yes but is it worth getting rid of the i7?

My opinion is no, but there are other opinions.

[Guest Kloaked]

It's more of a side-grade if your primary focus isn't content creation.

[Aaronius_Leonius]

If you plan on content creation then ryzen will be better.

[Medinaz]

I feel like there is a lot of misinformation out there,  Ryzen has the single best performance cpu on the market. people have been benchmarking games wrong
Watch this video and it will help you understand.
EDIT: Well I realize that I jumped to a pretty biased conclusion there but at least check the video out.

Edited March 11, 2017 by Medinaz

[dizmo]

10 minutes ago, Medinaz said:

I feel like there is a lot of misinformation out there,  Ryzen has the single best performance cpu on the market. people have been benchmarking games wrong
Watch this video and it will help you understand.

Sounds like bunch of hopes, dreams and conspiracy theories.

It also doesn't matter what the future might bring, but how it performs now.

[Ensho]

5 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Sounds like bunch of hopes, dreams and conspiracy theories.

It also doesn't matter what the future might bring, but how it performs now.

Ryzen has the ipc of Broadwell-e at best...not Skylake and Kabylake.  SL and KL are around 7% IPC faster...so even clock for clock Ryzen will lose out in games.  Coupled with the limitations of their Infinity Fabric...Ryzen will never match i7s in gaming.  The difference is simply a matter of more cores which will content creation type applications.

 

This is why given Intel does not price them too high...Skylake-E will restructure the cpu market once again later this summer.  No amount of patches and tweaks will give Ryzen the performance crown.  All they can do is give really good price/performance which is what AMD has had to reside themselves too.  Right now though AMD is giving Intel a butt whooping in the 8 core productivity market given their most expensive 8 core is $500 less than Intels.

[EPPHO]

26 minutes ago, kennakenna said:

Would switching from a  i7 4790 to a ryzen 1700 be wise? for content creation and gaming? Im planning on building a new PC and I'm not sure whether to get rid of my i7 for a full AMD build or not. What do you think?

What resolution do you play on?

[Medinaz]

Look fellas, Im not into arguing here clearly you know more about the subject at hand. But look at the video please.

[dizmo]

Just now, Ensho said:

Ryzen has the ipc of Broadwell-e at best...not Skylake and Kabylake.  SL and KL are around 7% IPC...so even clock for clock Ryzen will lose out in games.  Coupled with the limitations of their Infinity Fabric...Ryzen will never match i7s in gaming.  The difference is simply a matter of more cores which will content creation type applications.

Yeah but they might be close at a much lower cost. Something every one seems to forget.

 

[Ensho]

3 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Yeah but they might be close at a much lower cost. Something every one seems to forget.

 

Yes.  I added that.  I have a tendency to post, then realize I probably need to elaborate my point to finish my thought to be sure I am not misunderstood  

[pelark]

4 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Yeah but they might be close at a much lower cost. Something every one seems to forget.

 

When compared to somethign like a 6900k at 1k usd, yes. When compared in gaming to a 7700k, rarely. Not trying to argue or stir up conflict, just saying.

[dizmo]

6 minutes ago, Ensho said:

Yes.  I added that.  I have a tendency to post, then realize I probably need to elaborate my point to finish my thought to be sure I am not misunderstood  

Haha, yeah. I'd be perfectly fine with a 10% difference in FPS if the price difference is what they're showing.

The only issue I have is the super low 1080p numbers they're currently putting up. Makes me think I should build a cheap machine now and wait 7 or 8 months for it to mature.

3 minutes ago, pelark said:

When compared to somethign like a 6900k at 1k usd, yes. When compared in gaming to a 7700k, rarely. Not trying to argue or stir up conflict, just saying.

You're comparing the current Ryzen silicone, I'm referring to the yet released, closer comparison chips.

[pelark]

22 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Haha, yeah. I'd be perfectly fine with a 10% difference in FPS if the price difference is what they're showing.

The only issue I have is the super low 1080p numbers they're currently putting up. Makes me think I should build a cheap machine now and wait 7 or 8 months for it to mature.

You're comparing the current Ryzen silicone, I'm referring to the yet released, closer comparison chips.

Yup, I am. Sorry if i misunderstood, I am confident the next lineup will hit gaming harder then the R7s...

[mealto]

It's ok to want to maximize your purchase but many content creators are making a full time living with lower spec'ed gear. The phrase that content creators should buy Ryzen is mis-leading. There are many Core i5 business owners who create content and are able to sustain a full time income. Pick something within your price range and focus on your business, not the tech. 

[AcesNDueces]

      I'm pretty sure that the 1080p deficit has already been shrunk huge. All it takes is faster memory see with Ryzen the HT link/South bridge clock is tied to directly to memory speed so increasing mem speed has a big effect on gaming. Most reviewers could/only took the time to review Ryzen with 2133 or 2400 memory some of them took the time to get mem to 2933 and these reviewers were much closer to KABY in gaming. Lol at the guy who blamed the infinity fabric as this is the reason for the huge gains w faster memory. Linking a site that will show the difference in performance in 2 games from different mem speeds. I can tell you that going from 2400 to 3200 memory Ryzen gains almost 15% in 1080 gaming.  Gskill has a 3488 Ryzen certified kit coming soon this will be awesome. Intel boys don't try to argue that you would see the same gains cause you won't . In fact Intel chips tend to lose frames once you go above about 2800 cause they prefer tight timings over clock speed.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1625187/the-ryzen-gaming-performance-gap-is-mostly-gone

[kennakenna]

7 hours ago, frozeNNN said:

What resolution do you play on?

1080, but my main concern isn't for gaming. As long as it can play games decently I'm not really that picky. I play games mostly like dark souls, assassin's Creed, and skyrim. I don't care about peak performance in gaming. I'm more worried about my render times and multitasking abilities. But of course being able to play games from time to time is really nice on PC.

7 hours ago, Medinaz said:

I feel like there is a lot of misinformation out there,  Ryzen has the single best performance cpu on the market. people have been benchmarking games wrong
Watch this video and it will help you understand.
EDIT: Well I realize that I jumped to a pretty biased conclusion there but at least check the video out.

Yes I saw this video. I'm not really concerned about peak performance with gaming. As long as it can do the job decently. But is Ryzen better than my i7?

[kennakenna]

4 hours ago, mealto said:

It's ok to want to maximize your purchase but many content creators are making a full time living with lower spec'ed gear. The phrase that content creators should buy Ryzen is mis-leading. There are many Core i5 business owners who create content and are able to sustain a full time income. Pick something within your price range and focus on your business, not the tech. 

Thank you for this. I just thought it would be interesting to go for a complete AMD setup. As I plan to rehaul my PC. I understand that Ryzen isn't a necessity for 3d work. But since I can afford it right now I might be interested. And I am genuinely curious on how it would evolve in the future because amd has really surprised me with it's drivers that ended up extending my gpus life. I wonder if the same would happen to Ryzen?

[AcesNDueces]

Sounds like for what you are doing the only thing that Intel has that's better is the 10 core 20 thread often costing 1500+ dollars for a small gain over the 329$ 1700. So unless you want to spend that much then Ryzen is probably better for you.

[mlsadler]

I would say it depends on what you prefere and at what quality you game at. If you play a lot of game and some time do content creation I would keep the i7. If you are going to play at 1440p or higher and plan on doing a lot of content creation go for ryzen.

[TravisTea]

I sold my 4790k and ordered a Ryzen 1700 this week. I do content creation and game so to me I think it's well worth it. Yeah it might not be the best for gaming but once they fix the bios bugs and windows sorts its issues with this new platform I think it'll give it the boost it needs. 

[JoostinOnline]

1 hour ago, LordSlimJimm said:

I sold my 4790k and ordered a Ryzen 1700 this week. I do content creation and game so to me I think it's well worth it. Yeah it might not be the best for gaming but once they fix the bios bugs and windows sorts its issues with this new platform I think it'll give it the boost it needs. 

How expensive was that? I mean, that's a new motherboard, CPU, RAM, and potentially a cooler. 

[EPPHO]

8 hours ago, kennakenna said:

1080, but my main concern isn't for gaming. As long as it can play games decently I'm not really that picky. I play games mostly like dark souls, assassin's Creed, and skyrim. I don't care about peak performance in gaming. I'm more worried about my render times and multitasking abilities. But of course being able to play games from time to time is really nice on PC.

If you can sell your i7 for good amount of money then go for it