New Windows 10 Update KB3213986 may cause issues in games on multi monitor systems

[AresKrieger]

7 hours ago, mynameisjuan said:

Because they have a 1000 employees testing the updates before they are pushed but there a literally millions of different pc configurations.

 

They don't do testing properly anymore so I doubt they have a 1000 tester anymore given how they sacked that department

[Scruffy90]

More reasons why mandatory updates need to disappear. Anni update has been less consistent for me than the previous version. 

[Thony]

Motherfucks ! 

 

I only play in windowed mode because of alt tab issues with full screen. So hopefully im unefffected by this issue 

[Trik'Stari]

Oh look.

 

Yet another problem with Windows updates on Windows 10. Very surprising.

[raphidy]

I'm glad that i'm not affected by this.

[mynameisjuan]

13 hours ago, AresKrieger said:

They don't do testing properly anymore so I doubt they have a 1000 tester anymore given how they sacked that department

Thats exactly my point. Not enough people to test every configuration. Its why people need to participate in the beta updates..

[Mira Yurizaki]

It's like people are too shortsighted to see Windows 10 isn't the only one having problems:

https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-software-update-breaks-windows-7-for-some-users/

https://www.ophtek.com/windows-7-update-causing-lock-ups-kb2952664/

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-networking/win-7-updates-seems-to-break-network-connection/58a1ba75-8752-4886-8ba0-3b2fef6ceb6b

http://windowsitpro.com/patch-tuesday/update-kb3163622-breaks-group-policy-it-s-not-me-it-s-you

 

Also I have this update and I'm not affected. Considering that there's this qualifier

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Symptom

Users may experience delayed or clipped screens while running 3D rendering apps (such as games) on systems with more than one monitor. 

What's the percentage of those affected? I dunno. But Windows 10 has dozens of millions of users. The chances of at least one person having something bad happen to them is effectively 1 at this point.

[AlTech]

2 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

It's like people are too shortsighted to see Windows 10 isn't the only one having problems:

Everybody loves boarding the Windows 10 hate train

[Mira Yurizaki]

22 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Everybody loves boarding the Windows 10 hate train

And it's annoying when any small problem furthers their confirmation bias.

[malon]

i realy hope i won't be affected with this bug because i always seem to draw the shors straw when ther are  bugs like this in a windows 10 or nvidea update, anyway if i get afffected i might just go back to 7pro because i don't want to have this kind of problems again and do any of their work arrounds.

[App4that]

Starting the game with the other monitor removed doesn't work, you still get clipping. Tried it.

[Guest Kloaked]

On 1/11/2017 at 7:02 PM, AresKrieger said:

They don't do testing properly anymore so I doubt they have a 1000 tester anymore given how they sacked that department

It's easy to say that, but you can only test for so much before you need to push the update out. I work in application development and we don't always catch everything or account for how the end user might fuck things up if a certain thing happens.

 

These bugs are going to happen with how large these programs are since they do so much freaking stuff compared to what they did 10 to 15 years ago when we had "bug free video games amirite guys lelele eckxdeeee"

[Mira Yurizaki]

I'm also inclined to believe that most of the time a Windows Update screws something up, it's rarely Windows' fault. You have all this software doing all these things to your system, one of them is surely to pluck that thread where something bad happens and all it takes is for another program to tickle that thread.

 

For example, and it's not really related to Windows Update but it's a similar scenario, but what if you used GFE for a bit and it inadvertently screws up a config on a game? When you run it and the game either performs odd or the game itself does it work, do you blame GFE or the game? And what if it's an option that's not an in-game one but something buried in an ini file? And then the people who don't have GFE are going "wut are you talking about, this game runs just fine" and it really never occurs to anyone that GFE was causing the problem.

[Guest Kloaked]

1 minute ago, M.Yurizaki said:

I'm also inclined to believe that most of the time a Windows Update screws something up, it's rarely Windows' fault. You have all this software doing all these things to your system, one of them is surely to pluck that thread where something bad happens and all it takes is for another program to tickle that thread.

 

For example, and it's not really related to Windows Update but it's a similar scenario, but what if you used GFE for a bit and it inadvertently screws up a config on a game? When you run it and the game either performs odd or the game itself does it work, do you blame GFE or the game? And what if it's an option that's not an in-game one but something buried in an ini file? And then the people who don't have GFE are going "wut are you talking about, this game runs just fine" and it really never occurs to anyone that GFE was causing the problem.

GFE always screws stuff up

[Bouzoo]

4 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

GFE always screws stuff up

That is true, however, GFE 3 has improved things by a huge margin. I had to try it to see what's what. Now if NV could only fix font size scalling as well as Valve...

[Guest Kloaked]

1 minute ago, Bouzoo said:

That is true, however, GFE 3 has improved things by a huge margin. I had to try it to see what's what. Now if NV could only fix font size scalling as well as Valve...

It's improved a lot but I've helped two people with a framerate issue that ended up being GFE setting their resolution scale higher than 100% in Overwatch.

[Kamina]

This is a feature.

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

Patiently waiting for a response from GoodBytes.

[Bouzoo]

2 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

It's improved a lot but I've helped two people with a framerate issue that ended up being GFE setting their resolution scale higher than 100% in Overwatch.

Luckily I never encountered that, but I had Shadow Play turned on 2 times after disabling it every time, and that can cripple your FPS up to 20. 

That and the fact that is decides to crash and not show anything until you reinstall it. It's not a bug, it's a feature. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

2 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

GFE always screws stuff up

Not really why I don't install it, but I don't install or run anything that I don't need to have.  The less things touching your computer, the better.

 

Plus this comic comes to mind:

 

[AresKrieger]

1 hour ago, Kloaked said:

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I would normally agree if microsoft wasn't previously capable of managing their OSs or if they didn't have forced updates, but both are the reality thus they should be called out for their failure on this matter, also most of the additional features are things no one asked for and many have refused to upgrade due to their presence so if they cause such problems and few people like them why add them in the first place.

[Guest Kloaked]

27 minutes ago, AresKrieger said:

I would normally agree if microsoft wasn't previously capable of managing their OSs or if they didn't have forced updates, but both are the reality thus they should be called out for their failure on this matter, also most of the additional features are things no one asked for and many have refused to upgrade due to their presence so if they cause such problems and few people like them why add them in the first place.

Pretty sure there were always tons of bugs with previous OSes. Lol.

 

How long have you had a Windows PC? Did you ever use Windows 2000?

[Drak3]

29 minutes ago, AresKrieger said:

if microsoft wasn't previously capable of managing their OSs

Windows 2000, Vista (pre Service pack 1), and early builds of XP, 7, and 8/8,1 were all shit fests. Some stayed that way, some where fixed fast, and some took so long that they're now remembered as being horrible but were actually pretty good once fixed (Vista namely).

30 minutes ago, AresKrieger said:

if they didn't have forced updates

I'm about to blow your mind. Windows has had forced updates long before Windows 10, they just weren't as nearly frequent, as well as having a pop up notification that enabled the user to either delay it, or start it that moment.

[AresKrieger]

26 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

Pretty sure there were always tons of bugs with previous OSes. Lol.

 

How long have you had a Windows PC? Did you ever use Windows 2000?

Windows ME, no I won't touch that thing, 98 was good, xp was good, that thing was trash

 

If windows 10 suffered the fate of ME it would be fine but windows wants a "universal" platform with 10 so it will be an issue unless they are forced to change course due to market pressure

[Guest Kloaked]

27 minutes ago, AresKrieger said:

Windows ME, no I won't touch that thing, 98 was good, xp was good, that thing was trash

 

If windows 10 suffered the fate of ME it would be fine but windows wants a "universal" platform with 10 so it will be an issue unless they are forced to change course due to market pressure

Market pressure is pushing them toward a universal platform.