NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 Ti has 2880 CUDA cores

[nicehat]

 

Ok ok, fine maybe it is. But i classify it as irrelevant because its so out of reach for the average consumer, 290X was mainly to compete with 780, the fact that titan was a half compute, half gaming doesnt put it in line with the rest of the GTX series, so basically titan was e-peen as i said, " i have one of the cards that went into the supercomputer" thats about it. 

 

 

These are all opinions of oc3d at least have the decency to point him to where you got these thoughts from. You have basically quoted what he says a little bit after the 5:00 mark (including the e-peen part). If you have any thoughts to add to what he says then please enlighten us. If not just post his video and tell us where to fast forward (5:00)

 

[Kirihuna]

So the 780 Ti.

 

Is it worth upgrading from a 680 SC+ from EVGA to a 780 Ti so I can drive two 1440p monitors?

 

Or will the 680 work for two 1440p monitors (only one is for gaming). 

[Tall Gora]

 

 

 

 

These are all opinions of oc3d at least have the decency to point him to where you got these thoughts from. You have basically quoted what he says a little bit after the 5:00 mark (including the e-peen part). If you have any thoughts to add to what he says then please enlighten us. If not just post his video and tell us where to fast forward (5:00)

 

 

i have never seen that video, i just read it on other forums older than the date of that video. So i had no idea TTl talked about it, hes a smart guy tho i wouldnt doubt he would.

[Tall Gora]

 

All cards are competitors, that is the nature of all market share trading.  If you think AMD specifically set out to make a card that wasn't the fastest so they could to gain only certain sales from Nvidia then you are fooling yourself. They want to take all sales from Nvidia not just from the 700 series but from all series.  The concept that you can't compare titan to anything because the titan is good enough to be workstation card or is expensive is flawed, it is a fallacy. It can be compared and should be compared because it is a card in the range just like all the others. Also so those with money to spend, know what they are getting for it and whether or not they want to save cash and go with an AMD card or even one from the 700 lineup. 

 

The existence/non existence of a firepro/radeon card is moot, it doesn't change the fact that the titan exists, is meant for gaming and people deserve to see comparisons.

 

 

 

as much as you are correct you seem to be pointing to the computer building newbies and uneducated consumers, which YES that data versus the titan i would find appropriate. But for any tech geek on these forums we KNOW how the titan is just an e-peen card and isnt a senseable purchase, i guess im coming at this from a biased angle to begin with, to someone building his first PC i dont expect him to know, but you and me... thats why i call it irrelevant.

[mr moose]

as much as you are correct you seem to be pointing to the computer building newbies and uneducated consumers, which YES that data versus the titan i would find appropriate. But for any tech geek on these forums we KNOW how the titan is just an e-peen card and isnt a senseable purchase, i guess im coming at this from a biased angle to begin with, to someone building his first PC i dont expect him to know, but you and me... thats why i call it irrelevant.

I would argue that if someone isn't smart enough to compensate for a cards price then they aren't smart enough to interpret performance graphs.  But for the rest of us that know what those pretty little graphs and numbers mean, I want to see all the cards. Why do you keep referring to the titan as an e-peen card, it sounds like you are pissed that it performs so well and are doing everything you can to distract from it's presence.

 

Nope, someone who has a max budget will look for cards close to that tier and choose the best one. Cards that exist in different tiers do not compete for the same customers' money. Simple as that.

 

Price is largely only relevant to the consumer,  AMD and Nvidia will price to get sales not to segregate each card into a predefined construct.  This whole tier and price/performance is just a tool for evaluating how well cards perform in comparison to other cards using the cost as a datum.  But this can only happen if you include all cards.  As soon as you omit a card then the analysis becomes flawed and one sided. 

[MdX MaxX]

But it is a gaming card. This is a really simply thing.  Nvidia say they built it as a gaming card, ergo it is a gaming card.

 

When people say it's not a gaming card,  then they are either clutching at straws with a failed argument or have no concept how the English language works.

Titan is branded as a gaming card, but I wouldn't say it's "meant" to be a gaming card.

 

If Titan was strictly a gaming card then, well...Titan would have been 780.  But Nvidia decided to drastically cut the compute performance and VRAM before introducing GK110 to the canon GTX ### series.

 

It seems to me Titan was most likely just an experiment Nvidia did for the hell of it.  Taking GK110 for a bit of a test drive in the consumer/"prosumer" space before committing and turning it into a full-on GeForce card.  Meant strictly for the early adopters rather than for gamers as a whole.

[mr moose]

Titan is branded as a gaming card, but I wouldn't say it's "meant" to be a gaming card.

 

If Titan was strictly a gaming card then, well...Titan would have been 780.  But Nvidia decided to drastically cut the compute performance and VRAM before introducing GK110 to the canon GTX ### series.

 

It seems to me Titan was most likely just an experiment Nvidia did for the hell of it.  Taking GK110 for a bit of a test drive in the consumer/"prosumer" space before committing and turning it into a full-on GeForce card.  Meant strictly for the early adopters rather than for gamers as a whole.

 

But does where it came from negate the fact they produce and sell it as a gaming card?

 

If indeed it was a bit of an experiment then all I can say is either Nvidia are one lucky company or this shows just how far ahead their R&D team are, that they can mess about with the GK110 as if it were an inconsequential experiment and still have it not only at the top of most performance tests but have it there from 7 months ago.  In all honesty I don't know about that, but I know they produce and market it as a gaming card. Therefore it is silly to say it isn't.

 

I highly doubt AMD set out to make the worlds second fastest GPU, I think they produced the fastest they could.  Now regardless of how they price it it is their flagship GPU and it should be compared to all other cards.  Restricting what cards it should be compared to on the bases that it doesn't perform as well is biased and shouldn't happen.

[virtualTune]

So what do you all think of this new 780 Ti Black edition (orTitan Ultra or whatever they are gonna call it). Obviously its all speculation...

http://videocardz.com/47530/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-ti-also-special-edition

 

I can't see any use for a 12GB card, not even in editing!

[swifty7]

We will have to see AMDs response, Knowing AMD they'll release a driver update next week that adds 40-50% to performance like the 7000 series. 

not only that but people keep forgetting about mantle....that is if it truly does what they say it does.

[TheDigitalRealm]

Oh, technology.

 

 

 

Unless this card literally slaughters the titan, I'll probably end up getting the 780 still.

 

Then, I'll have to sell it in Q1 and get the Maxwell series, oh the joy.

 

Ah, isn't it just so great how technology moves so fast? It has absolutely no negatives :L

 

The 780 is pretty cheap right now, and I'd love to get it, but for 1080p gaming, my overclocked 7950 is great. I think i'll wait until I buy a 1440p monitor to get a new gpu.

[Tall Gora]

I would argue that if someone isn't smart enough to compensate for a cards price then they aren't smart enough to interpret performance graphs.  But for the rest of us that know what those pretty little graphs and numbers mean, I want to see all the cards. Why do you keep referring to the titan as an e-peen card, it sounds like you are pissed that it performs so well and are doing everything you can to distract from it's presence.

 

 

Price is largely only relevant to the consumer,  AMD and Nvidia will price to get sales not to segregate each card into a predefined construct.  This whole tier and price/performance is just a tool for evaluating how well cards perform in comparison to other cards using the cost as a datum.  But this can only happen if you include all cards.  As soon as you omit a card then the analysis becomes flawed and one sided. 

i sortve agree with alot of what ya said in your response to Maxx, and ya know i really am pissed about the titan because its the most horrible value perspective, last thing i would ever recommend to anyone. Guess its cheaper than a tesla.. titan was a card for people who wanted to fund Nvidia's R&D department with those nice profit margins In all honesty, id love to know how much money went into developing GK110 and how bad the yields actually were for the first part of its life, i wonder how much profit they really made after all expense, people think Nvidia is always ripping people off with the higher prices for kepler, but if i was an internal finance employee, boy id love to see the numbers.

[TheMissxu]

TTL knows what he's talking about... The reference/stock R9 290x cooler sucks. We all know this. But looking at a better cooler (I'm a math guys, so I like to take things to the extreme) like LN2, we see the 290x beat 780s and Titans...

 

The non-reference 290x will run cooler (that's almost 100% fact). With that extra head room, it would make sence you'd get more than a 5% overclock (vs ~15% the 780 gets).

[Wolfur]

So what do you all think of this new 780 Ti Black edition (orTitan Ultra or whatever they are gonna call it). Obviously its all speculation...

http://videocardz.com/47530/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-ti-also-special-edition

 

I can't see any use for a 12GB card, not even in editing!

 

4K with 4-way SLI of 780TI, and you want to play on medium-high settings - trust me you will need this.

 

Think about it.

 

4k = 4x 1080p

 

How much vram do you recommend for 1080p? 1gb? 2gb? Some people recommend 3GB with future games in mind!

 

4GB will NOT cut it at 4k because you will run into VRAM bottleneck quickly, it's essentially like having 1080p with 1gb of memory. 4-way SLI or Crossfire doesnt matter, still too low for 'high' settings with 4x1080p.

 

6gb of Titan of course rises the vram limit by 50% (if you look at R9 290x) but it still only gives us around "1,5GB per 1080p" (6gb for 4x1080p).

 

12GB however gives us a sweetspot 12gb, at which point NO SLI configuration would be bottlenecked, not even 4-way.

 

Of course this is only 'fun for the rich people' but im interested in seeing how high the frames/second @4k are with 4-way 780ti 12gb SLI if Nvidia comes out with such configuration.

[mr moose]

i sortve agree with alot of what ya said in your response to Maxx, and ya know i really am pissed about the titan because its the most horrible value perspective, last thing i would ever recommend to anyone. Guess its cheaper than a tesla.. titan was a card for people who wanted to fund Nvidia's R&D department with those nice profit margins In all honesty, id love to know how much money went into developing GK110 and how bad the yields actually were for the first part of its life, i wonder how much profit they really made after all expense, people think Nvidia is always ripping people off with the higher prices for kepler, but if i was an internal finance employee, boy id love to see the numbers.

I've always wanted to see the internal nooks on a lot of these large companies, it would put a lot of arguments to rest, alas that will never happen.  I have no idea about the financial side of the titan, all I know is it is very expensive, the payoff isn't gernerally worthwhile and thus it's sales are generally restricted to the filthy rich and the extreme enthusiast.  

[LanceXXX]

I dont knw why,, but i suddenly feel like upgrading my graphics card.. lol

[MrAlexOneill]

I feel bad for all the people or bought the 780...

[mr moose]

I feel bad for all the people or bought the 780...

 

you know what they say, if you buy bleeding edge tech you're bound to get cut.

[ViruZ_HUN]

i think i gte this one card:D cheaper and better then Titan:D

[skysmad]

hahahahaha pricing i can get a gtx titan for 700 n a gtx 780 for 400  

[virtualTune]

4K with 4-way SLI of 780TI, and you want to play on medium-high settings - trust me you will need this.

 

Think about it.

 

4k = 4x 1080p

 

How much vram do you recommend for 1080p? 1gb? 2gb? Some people recommend 3GB with future games in mind!

 

4GB will NOT cut it at 4k because you will run into VRAM bottleneck quickly, it's essentially like having 1080p with 1gb of memory. 4-way SLI or Crossfire doesnt matter, still too low for 'high' settings with 4x1080p.

 

6gb of Titan of course rises the vram limit by 50% (if you look at R9 290x) but it still only gives us around "1,5GB per 1080p" (6gb for 4x1080p).

 

12GB however gives us a sweetspot 12gb, at which point NO SLI configuration would be bottlenecked, not even 4-way.

 

Of course this is only 'fun for the rich people' but im interested in seeing how high the frames/second @4k are with 4-way 780ti 12gb SLI if Nvidia comes out with such configuration.

that last part is very important! it will only be relevant to <5% of PC gamers. I cannot imagine more than 5% of gamers playing on 4K in the next fiver years. A setup like that would currently run you anywhere from $9,000 to $30,000+ . Who'd have thought 10 years ago, that one day we will need more VRAM than RAM

[Wolfur]

that last part is very important! it will only be relevant to <5% of PC gamers. I cannot imagine more than 5% of gamers playing on 4K in the next fiver years. A setup like that would currently run you anywhere from $9,000 to $30,000+ . Who'd have thought 10 years ago, that one day we will need more VRAM than RAM

 

You need vRAM with current-gen GPUs because the vRAM is being mirrored to system RAM as far as I know so the GPU can access and retrieve data faster.

 

So if you have 12GB GPU and intend to use all the VRAM you better have 20~~GB of RAM.

[D3MON]

This thread is still going?

does noone realize how dumb this is? the 780ti should be between the 780 and the titan and should be 6% faster and cost 6% more than the 780...
otherwise it would be called the titan ti wouldn't it... i know thats really hard to work out right?

[D3MON]

I feel bad for all the people or bought the 780...

 

you know what they say, if you buy bleeding edge tech you're bound to get cut.

So what you're saying is.....don't buy a 780ti? the "bleeding edge".

because nvidia will make something better soon to beat it and the people that buy the 780ti will be kicking themselfs just like the 780 users kicked themselfs just like those who bought titan did?

no sane person who bought a 780 is going to care about the 780ti, thats like saying "omg I shouldn't of bought my ferrari 458 for £170,000 because now theres a stratadale version for £200,000 that has another 20 horsepower...I'm going to have to upgrade now"

[D3MON]

Also having a 3gb frame buffer for 1080p is insane and 12gb is simply stupid

most 1080p games only use 1gb of vram SOME games with mods and texture packs can use over a gb like 1.5gb, at 2560*1600 with everything maxed out and 8x msAA youll eventually use 2.8gb....and get 15 frames/sec.
means for 4k you will likely only need a 6gb of overall frame buffer, by the time you need more than that the cards WILL NOT have enough texel rate performance to get decent frame rates anyway.

TTL in his titan vs 780 review at 2560x1440 (2.5k) is getting 50ish fps in games like crysis 3/far cry 3 at 2.5k and people are talking 4k?
what are we going to do game at 30fps on our 24inch microscopic pixel'd 4k monitor? run 4 way sli?
gpu's will be a bottlneck at high resolutions way before vram is.

 

[digitalnav]

Technology is always updating. Expect something better than the 780Ti within 3-4 months.