Who do you vote for?

[stconquest]

There should be a thread explaining the difference between being "neutral", and being "objective"... in the way media outlets treat the truth.

 

Neutrality does not equate to, or guarantee, telling the truth.  Objectivity is open to raw information and allows for the development of the truth in a story, as the relevant evidence dictates.

 

Imagine "neutral" reporting in sports, when you can't pick a side:  Denver scored 102 pts, and New York scored 97... but I won't say/admit that Denver won.  I need to be neutral.

 

Trump says climate change is a hoax, but 97% of climate scientists around the world say climate change is real.  *End story

 

There is no public benefit to this type of journalism.  Just say something to oppose a viewpoint/argument/discovery, and it automatically equates to an equally compelling argument.

[Donut417]

2 hours ago, SeriouslyMikey said:

Have you not been around at all? Hillary already threatened Russia with war. Possibly nuclear if Putin is to be believed. 

Where has Trump said he wants anything to do with nukes or war, other than an attack on ISIS? Because, he's been against most if not all wars since the 80's. 

http://theduran.com/hillary-declare-war-cyberattackers-threatens-russia-half-full-auditorium/

As much as I dislike using InfoWars, as they're not my kind of media source, and their most recent stories, such as ancient aliens has been ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh weird. 

I'm for sure not defending every singe policy he stands for. But his stance of illegal immigration, Islam, Globalism, and Veteran care are some I believe are extremely important. Is it any surprise that vets are in support on Donald Trump when he wants to drastically help them when they return from a war? Your country has fought for freedom for hundreds of years, I believe Trump sees this and wants to keep your freedoms. 

Bringing jobs back to Americans instead of out sourcing jobs to cheaper countries. I mean, you could say "well his hats are made in China", that's the whole issue. They should be made by people in the US, though more expensive, your people will have jobs, increasing the economy and bringing strength back to America. 

Wanting to make moving to the US as a legal immigrant to be easier and help bring more back to the country, putting America first, not immigrants. Deport illegals but allow them to return legally. 

 

 

When I look through Hilary's policies, she seems to be far too set on social issues, such as racism and college rape. The first of which is barely a thing in most of America, in fact BLM is one the biggest sources of racism in your country, and she's been supporting them. The latter is ridiculous. College campuses are some of the safest places in the USA, and rarely have any rape or sexual assault. Hilary will try and remove guns from the US, something that is part of the Second Amendment and is a right for American citizens for personal defence and leisure. Heck, anti-guns is the largest losing battle in American history and gun ownership is only increasing throughout the US. You just need to try and purchase a gun to realise that it's not as easy as Obama and Hilary make it out to be, these are people who have probably never owned a gun personally, but they're surrounded by them every day. 

Hilary also wants to bring in more refugees, something that has been shown to be a huge mistake in Europe. As someone from the UK, please, learn from our mistakes and stop allowing these people who refuse to integrate into western society into your country, it's suicide to keep them coming. 

 

(Again, don't really want to use InfoWars, but hey, they and Breitbart seem to be some of the few that focuses on the disaster that is Europe right now).

 

People who have been voting and are supporting Trump are people who believe the system has failed for them, people who believe the political and elite class don't care about them and will only continue to push them down the shitter for as long as they breathe. They believe Trump is speaking for them and will continue to speak for them if he's brought into power. These are also people who look at Europe and probably think "We can't let that happen here" "We can't allow our country to fall in a way Germany has". And I fully agree with them. It's the reason why the "right-wing" party have been drastically growing over the past year and a half, because they too believe the political elite have failed the working and middle class. 

 

For the shouty people out there, instead of calling those voting for Trump idiots, retards, bigots, Islamaphobes, racists, look at what they maybe seeing and look at some of Trump's policies. After Hilary declared Merkel as her favourite leader, it would be no surprise if she allowed the outstanding country that is the USA to fall into chaos like Germany has. And if that was to happen, you will be getting extreme right wing, or people so sick of the government, they wont just be voting for their hope, they'll be taking action in the street. 

First of all I AM NOT VOTING FOR CLINTON OR TRUMP. I dont give 2 shits about what Hillary did or didnt do. Hillary is going to beat the same drum the democrats have been beating for like ever. She has lied and I feel she should be in prison over that email server. Trump is a racist bastard and its the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler. All the shit he wants to do, Hitler did. Yeah I anit having that shit. For the record again I am Voting for Bernie Sanders. So I guess Im a socialist. 

 

Dont assume because Im not voting for Trump that Im voting for the other Ass hole. Im sick of the god damned Republicans and these god damn Democrats. Hell, Ill take Johnson if it means not having these 2 piles of shit.  Political contributions and Political parties should be outlawed! 

[System Error Message]

im not american but im hoping that trump will win so that he will ruin the US. Just like with brexit i also hoped that it will go through just to see the UK ruin itself from something so obvious. Im not against or hate the west, but it shocks me how idiotic people can be.

 

trump listens to the wrong people and in his interviews he always says "i heard that, i read that". He doesnt do his research properly so it seems like groups that are very much like britain first have his ear.

 

hillary will do the same thing that her party has been doing so the choices are really bad in the US right now.

 

In my opinion the main culprit that ruined the US wasnt entirely the fault of politicians but greed. When people place money above their country which is what many US companies did.

[Donut417]

6 minutes ago, System Error Message said:

im not american but im hoping that trump will win so that he will ruin the US. Just like with brexit i also hoped that it will go through just to see the UK ruin itself from something so obvious.

 

trump listens to the wrong people and in his interviews he always says "i heard that, i read that". He doesnt do his research properly so it seems like groups that are very much like britain first have his ear.

Thanks. Many nations rely on our currency. The last time the US fell, we took the rest of the world with us (Great Depression). We be glad to take the rest of you all with us. LOL 

[System Error Message]

2 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Thanks. Many nations rely on our currency. The last time the US fell, we took the rest of the world with us. We be glad to take the rest of you all with us. LOL 

Not anymore. After a few economic collapses they started using their own currency more other currencies instead of US currencies. US currency only used with trade with the US but with other countries they negotiate with currency/standard to use.

 

The US currency stopped being the main currency after their business practices. Only few countries peg their currency to the US dollars but most either allow their currency to free float or have some sort of control over the value of their own currency.

 

Kindly look at the national debt clock, would you want to follow a country that has such bad debts and economic turnover?

[Donut417]

3 minutes ago, System Error Message said:

Not anymore. After a few economic collapses they started using their own currency more other currencies instead of US currencies. US currency only used with trade with the US but with other countries they negotiate with currency/standard to use.

 

The US currency stopped being the main currency after their business practices. Only few countries peg their currency to the US dollars but most either allow their currency to free float or have some sort of control over the value of their own currency.

 

Kindly look at the national debt clock, would you want to follow a country that has such bad debts and economic turnover?

Well China keeps buying our debt. What can I say. I have a feeling they will continue buying our debt. 

[ttoks]

If I didn't live in the greatest former british colony on the planet (Australia) I'd vote for turnip, that seems to be the most responsible thing i could possible do

[stconquest]

50 minutes ago, ttoks said:

If I didn't live in the greatest former british colony on the planet (Australia) I'd vote for turnip, that seems to be the most responsible thing i could possible do

*cough Canada *cough

 

We don't have 5 pound spiders.

[ttoks]

1 minute ago, stconquest said:

*cough Canada *cough

 

We don't have 5 pound spiders.

that's what makes Australia the greatest, keep's all the pussies in Canada, we only get the Steve Irwins and Crocodile Dundee's of the world willing the brave the drop Bear's and the famous child snatching spider's.

[stconquest]

2 minutes ago, ttoks said:

that's what makes Australia the greatest, keep's all the pussies in Canada, we only get the Steve Irwins and Crocodile Dundee's of the world willing the brave the drop Bear's and the famous child snatching spider's.

Quick question:  When you vote, do you feel satisfied that you contributed to the political system in your country?

 

I sure as heck don't.  I vote, but I still feel like I do nothing.  Unless I were to get off my ass and actively participate in community decision-making, I don't consider my vote to be worth much of anything.  If my vote was a small part of a year round effort to make my community better, sure.  As a stand-alone event, meh.

[ttoks]

18 minutes ago, stconquest said:

Quick question:  When you vote, do you feel satisfied that you contributed to the political system in your country?

 

I sure as heck don't.  I vote, but I still feel like I do nothing.  Unless I were to get off my ass and actively participate in community decision-making, I don't consider my vote to be worth much of anything.  If my vote was a small part of a year round effort to make my community better, sure.  As a stand-alone event, meh.

Considering our political system allow's whatever political party that wins the election to change who our prime minister without a new election mid term, which has happened here 3 times in the last 8 year's, no I don't feel like my vote has any impact on my country, the political party can just change who's in charge of the country without consulting our voting populace at all.

 

I vote for the Australian sex party for that reason, yes that is a legit political party here.

 

-Edit-

 

Not to mention that voting in both state and federal elections are mandatory here and you get fined for not voting, which just means all the derro's that couldn't give a shit and have no idea what's going on vote for whoever the hell they want, making it easy for politicians to win by tacking them self onto some highly emotive issue that dumb people care about but makes no difference to the running of the country, I feel really "meh" about voting here in general.

[AresKrieger]

Hmm after watching some bullshit from libertarians I feel like I don't align much with them either, though libertarianism is essentially about individualism so maybe libertarians shouldn't be classified as a group rather a loose coalition. 

 

I think I fall more along the lines of anti-federalists, as in I don't believe the government should continue to grow it's power indefinitely within the country but am fine with the government have authority on abroad matters so long as that power is restrained by balances of power. I also believe in state power over that of the federal government granted it can lead to some squabbling it seems preferable and of course things like international treaties and such would have to be federal by nature.

 

Maybe we should restructure this thread as political banter, though eventually it will be locked regardless if we keep posting in it as politics is the biggest shit show on earth and probably the most common reason for flame wars.

[NavyCuda]

I went to one Libertarian Party of Canada meeting, basically anarchists.  I can't describe it well but what they say on their website differs from what they say in person.

[terrytek]

honestly thank god i won't be able to vote for another 2 years, but really i couldn't vote for these two crackheads. but it could be worse. when 2020 comes, we got kanye west running. for president. imagine kim kardashian as first lady.

[Deli]

5 hours ago, System Error Message said:

Not anymore. After a few economic collapses they started using their own currency more other currencies instead of US currencies. US currency only used with trade with the US but with other countries they negotiate with currency/standard to use.

 

The US currency stopped being the main currency after their business practices. Only few countries peg their currency to the US dollars but most either allow their currency to free float or have some sort of control over the value of their own currency.

 

Kindly look at the national debt clock, would you want to follow a country that has such bad debts and economic turnover?

Many countries had large amount of US Bonds, and at the same have large amount of US dollar as reserve to stabilize their own currencies. US is also holding Bonds of many other countries. So far nothing even comes close to replace US dollar and Bonds for it's size and liquidity.

 

[System Error Message]

1 minute ago, Deli said:

Many countries had large amount of US Bonds, and at the same have large amount of US dollar as reserve to stabilize their own currencies. US is also holding Bonds of many other countries. So far nothing even comes close to replace US dollar and Bonds for it's size and liquidity.

 

Its not the US currency that will suffer more when either candidates succeed, its the people who will suffer most, and the world. The money will still be there for grabs as usual.

[Jason Betts]

I'm voting for the pizza party.

 

Hillary is shrill, and a horrible example for what a female president could bring to our country. If anything, she'd only further convince people that the job is only right for men. 

 

Trump is arrogant and in my eyes, not fit to be president. Although I do think he's not actually as racist as he may appear, his appearance is what will be judged by the international community. As the single most powerful and influential country in the world, the US has a duty to be a good leader. Sure, the world could go on without us, but as long as we maintain this incredible military and political influence in nearly all other powerful countries, we need to at least appear competent.

 

 

[Donut417]

11 hours ago, System Error Message said:

Its not the US currency that will suffer more when either candidates succeed, its the people who will suffer most, and the world. The money will still be there for grabs as usual.

Not exactly true. Our currency is built on confidence. If we lack confidence in the Government and the market, then the value of our currency could drop. 

[AresKrieger]

1 hour ago, Donut417 said:

Not exactly true. Our currency is built on confidence. If we lack confidence in the Government and the market, then the value of our currency could drop. 

Well then it's value should be in the dirt right now since I don't know anyone that finds the government currently competent

 

No, what really matter is whether people feel the money has value, not what people think of the government itself, though the two are related no doubt

[Quinnbeast]

19 hours ago, SeriouslyMikey said:

I did say I don't enjoy using InfoWars. Their content isn't exactly the most creditable and you've proven that. And yes, they're the Britain First group, however, they're a growing group within the UK, along with UKIP because of people's beliefs towards the EU and the current system we have. I for one don't feel safe visiting the area of London that my auntie lived because of Islam and others. As for the other clips, I do believe they hold some ground when it comes to the inability of these people being able to merge in with western civilisation. 

 

You don't enjoy it because you know it's mostly horse shit. You chose videos for emotional impact and because they back up your own prejudice, not because of any objective reference they provide.  A growing level of ignorance doesn't make their point any more valid; the video suggests they are merely 'british citizens', and not a small minority fundamentalist group. It's a complete fallacy. I too live in a city where certain areas are best avoided (every city has them), but it's 14-year-old local kids in gangs that worry me. The nearby Indian and Pakistani population are - in some cases - 3rd/4th generation UK citizens, and they could not be more integrated. Is this anecdotal? Well, yes. But no more so than your own tales of not feeling safe. There's far more to integration than the mere intention of the immigrants themselves; the respective government, and how they manage immigration from end to end, is the main driving force. If a suitable support network is not in place, then people willy rely more on their immediate neighbours. You talk about "Islam and others", but that could be everything apart from Christianity for all we know, and is a sweeping generalisation that serves no purpose. Perhaps these groups remain insular because of how you perceive them?

 

20 hours ago, SeriouslyMikey said:

As for taking over Europe. Migrants are having more children than the German population, they're attacking close to a weekly basis, though killing small numbers at a time when it comes down to the population of a country, but the numbers do add up. Sweden has quickly become the rape capital of Europe, and their ways of preventing rape don't do anything, such as wearing armbands, and in Germany, they're trying to push for women to wear the burka. Then we have someone like the current mayor of London who has pushed a ban on advertisement in the underground that has women in little clothing. Then we have someone like the current mayor of London who has pushed a ban on advertisement in the underground that has women in little clothing. He's trying to push the ban of using radical Islam to describe terrorism, he's now trying to push a separation of London from the rest of the UK, and let London take in the refugees. Which will never happen, but he's a dangerous ideologue, in my opinion. I'd say there's pretty decent evidence that they're trying to take over Europe. 

As for the Iraq war, thanks for clearing it up. Although, I do believe he regretted his views. As he does state that it was left in horrible disrepare, and did help lead to the rise of rebelious forces, and eventually ISIS. 

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/every-position-donald-trump-iraq

 

As for his policies, I myself don't know, so I couldn't answer that. Though, I think the hype and promises is what a lot of the American public are going off, because they feel like the system has failed them. 

 

I love that your damning comments of the mayor of London begin with a reference to the objectifying of women for the sake of an advertising campaign - as if you consider partial female/sexual nudity some sort of moral right of yours. Do you even understand what you're saying? It can easily be seen as a valid criticism irrespective of religious beliefs. Are some men so stupid that they need to see tits to be interested in a product? Can that type of advertising really be defended in this day and age?

 

As for his comments on London being an independent state - that's an entire subject in it's own right, and is clearly not an issue of migration and religion alone. It does nothing to reinforce your viewpoint in and of itself. I'd love to see the UK break up, so I can't disagree with him on principal anyway.

 

Sweden - their laws specifically state that religious persuasion isn't referenced in their basic crime figures, so you've obviously just insinuating that the rapes are largely/primarily caused by immigrants of certain backgrounds. In fact, it's highly common for anti-immigration proponents to misuse rape statistics to back up their own claims, which is a truly fucking disgusting use of "stats". As I understand it, an increase in the report of rape is primarily caused by a changes to the legal definition of rape, and a growing likelihood of these crimes being reported as such. Without specific references to crime reports, methodology and the full results etc, then these sorts of figures can and will be abused by anyone with an agenda.

 

https://debunkingdenialism.com/2015/12/12/how-anti-immigration-activists-misuse-rape-statistics/

 

And there's a good reason why you don't know DTs policies even if you went looking for them: he does not have any.

[System Error Message]

For those of you who think immigrants are terrible i suggest you go and do your research. If you think london is terrifying, go there, speak to the locals. Groups like britain first provoke the reactions you see on their videos and has been debunked by the BBC. Sure you can call the BBC biased but with the evidence and work they did, i'd say they're quite factual about it rather than biased.

 

A lot of videos on youtube are made by either hiring an actor or by provoking a response you never really see unless seriously threatened.

 

What was funny is that the guys behind brexit didnt see the Scottish independence terms in that the main reason which they stayed part of the UK was to be part of the EU, so theres a big political mess in the UK too not just EU. When i go around the UK i see a mixed culture living peacefully but a small percentage who like to stir trouble and burn the wrong messages in other people. Infact the Scots mentioned it during the debate and were quite clear about the contradictions caused by the brexit vote.

 

A lot of crime/riot that happened such as in australia has nothing to do with religion as it seems to happen all over the world. Because an aboriginal gets killed over an accident or the police who had no choice but to shoot the aboriginal community uses it as an opportunity to riot and loot. It has nothing to do with religion or refugees but the migrants who carry their bad culture with them even to the point where Australia made ads for chinese tourist about what not to do in public. These migrants came here legally to work.

 

People use cards all the time to get things like the feminist card, the racist card, the black card when issues you see in the past has been resolved. Its just a few trying to stir up trouble. Its amazing how easy people believe things.

 

Another thing that countries really need to do is retain their identities. Enforce the point that they came here for work, shelter and need to follow the culture. Enforcing their rules actually breaks the reason for them coming here. Many muslims who move to the west dont like sharia law and other such rules but because of a few muslims they are forced to agree. Muslims will not disagree with religious related stuff infront of other muslims as it makes them seem like an infidel so its more of fear from them towards other muslims that might end up with a mob on them if they say anything contradictory. Its because these few people(both the immigrants and nationalists like britain first) have such a loud voice that politicians have no choice but to oblige or face riots, chaos and political suicide. Its why the polls in SA shows them agreeing with ISIS as the last thing they want is to be dragged out of their homes at night and killed just for disagreeing like between christian's protesten and catholic churches.

[Julian5]

hillary ftw, She shit but better than trump. It has not been easy for me.

[Quinnbeast]

14 minutes ago, System Error Message said:

What was funny is that the guys behind brexit didnt see the Scottish independence terms in that the main reason which they stayed part of the UK was to be part of the EU, so theres a big political mess in the UK too not just EU. When i go around the UK i see a mixed culture living peacefully but a small percentage who like to stir trouble and burn the wrong messages in other people. Infact the Scots mentioned it during the debate and were quite clear about the contradictions caused by the brexit vote.

Yep, it's quite fascinating if you step back. I'm friends with a few EU citizens (German and Dutch primarily) who voted to stay in the Union during the Scottish Indy referendum because of concerns over how independence might have impacted EU membership. And now, independence is the only avenue by which they have some hope of remaining in an EU member state. Whoops.

[AresKrieger]

[Speedyv]

I have no idea who I am voting for (might not even bother voting)

Either way, I'll just live through it for the next four years.