upgrade from 10100f

[bal7]

Budget (including currency): 0$-250$

Country: Russia (prices there are same/close as in US)

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: mainly 1080p gaming and twitch streaming

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

so i wanted to upgrade from my i3 so it could handle more demanding tasks as i can clearly see that its not even enough for proper 24 chunk minecraft,
i built this pc recently (late august 2023) and i thought of upgrade to something better like i5 11400 11600k 11700 11700k or 11900f

my mobo is gigabyte b560m h and i dont think my vrms will be fine so i will be upgrading it too

[MrSimplicity]

Just from the options you provided I'd say the 11700k would be your best option paired with a decent motherboard and you won't be needing an upgrade for quite a few years.

 

Also if you haven't, make sure you allocate enough Ram to Minecraft. I always recommend at least half of your available Ram and no more than 2/3rds. It may help with the higher rendering distance before you jump to needing a new CPU. Though vanilla Minecraft really shouldn't need more than 4GB of Ram.

[bal7]

11 minutes ago, MrSimplicity said:

Just from the options you provided I'd say the 11700k would be your best option paired with a decent motherboard and you won't be needing an upgrade for quite a few years.

 

Also if you haven't, make sure you allocate enough Ram to Minecraft. I always recommend at least half of your available Ram and no more than 2/3rds. It may help with the higher rendering distance before you jump to needing a new CPU. Though vanilla Minecraft really shouldn't need more than 4GB of Ram.

i tried with optifine and i allocated all 16gb to it still takes very long to load all 24 chunks

[MrSimplicity]

3 minutes ago, bal723 said:

i tried with optifine and i allocated all 16gb to it

Yeah, never allocate all of your Ram. You won't have any left for your system to run everything it does in the background.

 

But, like I said the best path to take with the CPU would be the 11700k. Obviously the best option would be the newest/best one you can afford. Reasonably even the 11600k would get you the performance you're looking for.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

i think you should jump to am4 since the cpus and boards should be cheaper and a 5600(x) can be run at 4.7-4.8 allcore which will beat 11th gen

 

otherwise stick to your current board maybe add a vrm fan and put a 10600/11600(k) on it cause if you are swapping boards you might aswell swap to a better platform like am4

 

and the 12100/12400 get beaten by an overclocked 5600(x) due to their lousy clocks so minimum 12600k for lga 1700 if you wanna see a benifit over am4

[bal7]

2 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

i think you should jump to am4 since the cpus and boards should be cheaper and a 5600(x) can be run at 4.7-4.8 allcore which will beat 11th gen

 

otherwise stick to your current board maybe add a vrm fan and put a 10600/11600(k) on it cause if you are swapping boards you might aswell swap to a better platform like am4

 

and the 12100/12400 get beaten by an overclocked 5600(x) due to their lousy clocks so minimum 12600k for lga 1700 if you wanna see a benifit over am4

well uh, im trying to stay all intel build there, and i dont see point going to lga 1700 unless i get alot of spare money

[bal7]

5 minutes ago, MrSimplicity said:

Yeah, never allocate all of your Ram. You won't have any left for your system to run everything it does in the background.

 

But, like I said the best path to take with the CPU would be the 11700k. Obviously the best option would be the newest/best one you can afford. Reasonably even the 11600k would get you the performance you're looking for.

from what i remember 11600k=5600x in performance, correct?

[Somerandomtechyboi]

7 minutes ago, bal723 said:

from what i remember 11600k=5600x in performance, correct?

5600x > 11600k even stock and then you remember the 5600x can be overclocked with any non a board where intel requires an expensive z board

 

just drop in a 10600 or 11600, k or non k doesnt matter cause they have the same boost clocks, dont bother replacing the board or if you do swap the board only if you can find a cheap z board cause that board is salvagable with a vrm fan and maybe some heatsinks on the vrm if its that bad (which i suspect it isnt considering the vrm is similar to the b560m ds3h)

[bal7]

1 minute ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

5600x > 11600k even stock and then you remember the 5600x can be overclocked with any non a board where intel requires an expensive z board

 

just drop in a 10600 or 11600, k or non k doesnt matter cause they have the same boost clocks, dont bother replacing the board or if you do swap the board only if you can find a cheap z board cause that board is salvagable with a vrm fan and maybe some heatsinks on the vrm if its that bad (which i suspect it isnt considering the vrm is similar to the b560m ds3h)

but this one has only 2 slots for memory which limits performance, when i built pc i haven't thought that i would just spend extra 200$ on buying new, i would've bought something better back then

[Somerandomtechyboi]

11 minutes ago, bal723 said:

but this one has only 2 slots for memory which limits performance, when i built pc i haven't thought that i would just spend extra 200$ on buying new, i would've bought something better back then

no it doesnt

you mean limits capacity? best performance is with a dual rank kit and dual rank is possible on 2 slots

 

even then capacity wise you can still fit 64gb of ram on the thing, much cheaper to just buy a bigger ram kit if you really need the extra ram rather than wasting money on an uneccesary board upgrade

[bal7]

1 minute ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

no it doesnt

you mean limits capacity? best performance is with a dual rank kit and dual rank is possible on 2 slots

 

even then capacity wise you can still fit 64gb of ram on the thing, much cheaper to just buy a bigger ram kit if you really need the extra ram rather than wasting money on an uneccesary board upgrade

4x1R = 2x2R from tests and buying more ram is just a waste of extra time and money as i will be forced to save up for longer and sell old kit after it all

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Just now, bal723 said:

4x1R = 2x2R from tests and buying more ram is just a waste of extra time and money as i will be forced to save up for longer and sell old kit after it all

i mean you are forced to save up even longer to buy a new board when you could just sell your old ram kit and buy a bigger ram kit, at worst if you need to upgrade to 64gb the total cost (resell old kit) will be the same as buying a new board and thats not considering having to buy another 32gb kit for 4x4 and even then you may run into compatibility issues due to mismatched ics assuming you dont buy hynix/samsung bare pcb where a specific part number guarantees a specific ic

 

tbh id prefer having a 1dpc board just to be able to clock the rams to the moon, i mean my giga x58a ud3r does pretty well at 3200+ aside from the third channel crapping out at >2800 imagine what a foxconn bloodrage would do

[bal7]

1 minute ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

i mean you are forced to save up even longer to buy a new board when you could just sell your old ram kit and buy a bigger ram kit, at worst if you need to upgrade to 64gb the total cost (resell old kit) will be the same as buying a new board and thats not considering having to buy another 32gb kit for 4x4 and even then you may run into compatibility issues due to mismatched ics assuming you dont buy hynix/samsung bare pcb where a specific part number guarantees a specific ic

 

tbh id prefer having a 1dpc board just to be able to clock the rams to the moon, i mean my giga x58a ud3r does pretty well at 3200+ aside from the third channel crapping out at >2800 imagine what a foxconn bloodrage would do

i run 16gb, and i need that future upgradability for 32gb for more ram demanding games

[Somerandomtechyboi]

1 minute ago, bal723 said:

i run 16gb, and i need that future upgradability for 32gb for more ram demanding games

just buy a 32gb kit its that simple

 

itll be alot cheaper than having to buy a board then having to buy a 16gb kit ontop of that

 

heck you might aswell buy a 64gb kit for the price of a new board + a 16gb kit

[bal7]

2 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

just buy a 32gb kit its that simple

 

itll be alot cheaper than having to buy a board then having to buy a 16gb kit ontop of that

 

heck you might aswell buy a 64gb kit for the price of a new board + a 16gb kit

i dont think 64gb kit will be useful and will cost same as new mobos which go under 100$

[Somerandomtechyboi]

2 minutes ago, bal723 said:

i dont think 64gb kit will be useful and will cost same as new mobos which go under 100$

if a 64gb kit is that cheap then go buy a 64gb kit

 

why the hell do you wanna waste your money on a board when youll still be stuck with a pile of crap that has 2 extra slots attatched ans only 16gb of ram instead of sticking with your mobo and getting 64gb of ram instead for the same price

[bal7]

2 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

if a 64gb kit is that cheap then go buy a 64gb kit

 

why the hell do you wanna waste your money on a board when youll still be stuck with a pile of crap that has 2 extra slots attatched ans only 16gb of ram instead of sticking with your mobo and getting 64gb of ram instead for the same price

thats not the same price
64gb is 50$ more

[Somerandomtechyboi]

21 minutes ago, bal723 said:

thats not the same price
64gb is 50$ more

then just buy a 32gb kit and slot it in your current board and sell your current ram kit so now you save some money over buying a new board + a 16gb kit

[bal7]

2 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

then just buy a 32gb kit and slot it in your current board and sell your current ram kit so now you save some money over buying a new board + a 16gb kit

i will just wait, i dont think those 32gb will give any use for now

[podkall]

21 minutes ago, bal723 said:

i will just wait, i dont think those 32gb will give any use for now

if the 32GB don't give you use now, why even want a board with 4 slots to expand the RAM capacity?

[bal7]

6 minutes ago, podkall said:

if the 32GB don't give you use now, why even want a board with 4 slots to expand the RAM capacity?

for future, isnt that the reason people buy high end cpus and gpus too?

[podkall]

Just now, bal723 said:

for future, isnt that the reason people buy high end cpus and gpus too?

no, they buy to have the performance now

 

why do you need 11700k? for future or to load 24 chunks in MC?

[bal7]

2 minutes ago, podkall said:

no, they buy to have the performance now

 

why do you need 11700k? for future or to load 24 chunks in MC?

for future upgrade to rtx 4060 battlemage analog from intel

also i decided 11600k makes more sense

[Fasauceome]

12 minutes ago, bal723 said:

also i decided 11600k makes more sense

Is the non-K not available to you, new or used?

[bal7]

5 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

Is the non-K not available to you, new or used?

both are available and i am going for all used as there is no difference, why?