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GlobalFoundries expect 30% performance increase with 7nm FinFET

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http://www.globalfoundries.com/newsroom/press-releases/2016/09/14/globalfoundries-extends-roadmap-to-deliver-industry-s-leading-performance-offering-of-7nm-finfet-technology

 

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Santa Clara, Calif., September 15, 2016 – GLOBALFOUNDRIES today announced plans to deliver a new leading-edge 7nm FinFET semiconductor technology that will offer the ultimate in performance for the next era of computing applications.

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GLOBALFOUNDRIES’ new 7nm FinFET technology is expected to deliver more than twice the logic density and a 30 percent performance boost compared to today’s 16/14nm foundry FinFET offerings.

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“GLOBALFOUNDRIES made a bold decision to jump directly from 14nm to 7nm--a decision that is now supported by several leading semiconductor companies as they see only marginal performance and power benefits for the high cost of the 10nm process node,” said Jim McGregor, founder and principal analyst at TIRIAS Research. “Much like the 28nm and 16/14nm process nodes, 7nm appears to be the next major process node that will be widely leveraged by the entire semiconductor industry for at least the next decade.”

Hope it all goes well for GloFo and AMD. Will be interesting to see how it compares to Intel.

Some of the shadier rumour sites (WCCFTech) say something about Intel using a semiconductor other than silicon.

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Only 30%? Intel claims that just between its 14nm and 10nm.

 

Why won't these foundries just admit they're refining a 16nm process down to 12nm? It's sad they get away with this.

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3 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

Only 30%? Intel claims that just between its 14nm and 10nm.

 

Why won't these foundries just admit they're refining a 16nm process down to 12nm? It's sad they get away with this.

Well as it is, intel and GloFo claims may be both bullshit, as every company claim ever, so we will have to wait to know unfortunately 

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Just now, laminutederire said:

Well as it is, intel and GloFo claims may be both bullshit, as every company claim ever, so we will have to wait to know unfortunately 

Except Intel's isn't. Its pitch and spacing, and especially its metal interconnect and SRAM cell size are significantly smaller than Samsung's and constitute a 14nm node. Samsung's is 16 and TSMC is about 18nm. Now mind you, composition matters, and control logic cannot be made very dense without causing hot spots, and that's why high performance chips like Core x86 and Power 8 are not nearly as dense as other chips made on the same process, but Intel's node is true, and that's why it struggled. One could argue the use of higher BEOL by the other foundries to make transitions easier to pull off was a great economic move, but let's be honest here. They just want to stick it to Intel's share price and don't care if they have to lie to do it.

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30% increase from what? Just having shorter lengths to travel?

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2 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

30% increase from what? Just having shorter lengths to travel?

Higher switching speeds, lower power requirements, and higher drive current tolerances.

 

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Crossing my fingers that this goes well for AMD and can finally bring them out of there multi-year slump. 

Or, if not, could they please go completely belly up so we can return to real competition by having Nvidia take the CPU division and Intel take RTG?

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Higher switching speeds, lower power requirements, and higher drive current tolerances.

 

Or, if not, could they please go completely belly up so we can return to real competition by having Nvidia take the CPU division and Intel take RTG?

That would be very interesting! I'd love to see Nvidia step up it's game and finally have ARM become a serious platform to compete with Intel. Sadly I don't think ARM would take much ground unless Windows AND/or MacOS runs on them. Having Linux on them would be fine for a grand portion of users. I'd love to switch over to Linux full time and run on ARM no problem but....sadly that wont happen soon. 

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That would be very interesting! I'd love to see Nvidia step up it's game and finally have ARM become a serious platform to compete with Intel. Sadly I don't think ARM would take much ground unless Windows AND/or MacOS runs on them. Having Linux on them would be fine for a grand portion of users. I'd love to switch over to Linux full time and run on ARM no problem but....sadly that wont happen soon. 

...All major Linux Distros are available in ARM flavors. GCC can compile to x86, ARM, PowerPC, and MIPS.

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Right that's what I am saying, all linux distros will be golden but the mass market wont buy into ARM on the desktop/laptop space unless ARM runs Windows or MacOS. I've been running a chromebook as my secondary machine and it's on ARM and runs amazing. No problems at all. 

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29 minutes ago, nobelharvards said:

Some of the shadier rumour sites (WCCFTech) say something about Intel using a semiconductor other than silicon.

Nobody is using pure silicon anyway . Most foundries use silicon along with stuff like germanium ...

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1 minute ago, StanSmith said:

Right that's what I am saying, all linux distros will be golden but the mass market wont buy into ARM on the desktop/laptop space unless ARM runs Windows or MacOS. I've been running a chromebook as my secondary machine and it's on ARM and runs amazing. No problems at all. 

Or people could just switch. Between Ubuntu, Mint, and Fedora, there are at least 3 distros any monkey can use to accomplish daily tasks without using the command line. Between Fedora, Arch Linux, and Debian, there are 3 Distros meant for workstation and power users. Between Ubuntu Server, Redhat RHEL, and CentOS, there are at least 3 built for servers and clusters.

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16 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

Except Intel's isn't. Its pitch and spacing, and especially its metal interconnect and SRAM cell size are significantly smaller than Samsung's and constitute a 14nm node. Samsung's is 16 and TSMC is about 18nm. Now mind you, composition matters, and control logic cannot be made very dense without causing hot spots, and that's why high performance chips like Core x86 and Power 8 are not nearly as dense as other chips made on the same process, but Intel's node is true, and that's why it struggled. One could argue the use of higher BEOL by the other foundries to make transitions easier to pull off was a great economic move, but let's be honest here. They just want to stick it to Intel's share price and don't care if they have to lie to do it.

On what 10nm chip they're basing their claim on?

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9 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

Higher switching speeds, lower power requirements, and higher drive current tolerances.

 

Aren't we going to see higher heat density too?

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Just now, laminutederire said:

On what 10nm chip they're basing their claim on?

Your question is neither syntactically sound nor contextually sensible... I compared their 14nm qualities. What the other foundries call 10nm barely catches them up to Intel's 14, and what they call 7 is still closer to 11 than 10nm. Meanwhile Intel's 10nm is a true 10nm node.

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29 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

Only 30%? Intel claims that just between its 14nm and 10nm.

 

Why won't these foundries just admit they're refining a 16nm process down to 12nm? It's sad they get away with this.

They probably decided to use different measurements and that somehow makes what Intel calls 10nm, 7nm in their marketing.

At least that are my suspicions.

 

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16 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

Nobody is using pure silicon anyway . Most foundries use silicon along with stuff like germanium ...

Not yet they don't. The first one who did was IBM with its 7nm demo.

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13 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

Your question is neither syntactically sound nor contextually sensible... I compared their 14nm qualities. What the other foundries call 10nm barely catches them up to Intel's 14, and what they call 7 is still closer to 11 than 10nm. Meanwhile Intel's 10nm is a true 10nm node.

I'm asking you with which 10nm node based chip they're basing their claim of 30% performance increase.

That's what I was quoting you for in the first place.

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11 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

I'm asking you with which 10nm node based chip they're basing their claim of 30% performance increase.

That's what I was quoting you for in the first place.

It's unikely that those figures were "measured" from actual chips but from estimates and SPICE simulations-the manufacturer knows their product best, after all. 

 

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Interesting, another larger jump from 14nm to 7nm though how much actual performance will that bring is the big question. Also cause foundries differ on node sizing right.

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6 hours ago, laminutederire said:

I'm asking you with which 10nm node based chip they're basing their claim of 30% performance increase.

That's what I was quoting you for in the first place.

It's not the chips anyone is comparing here. It's transistor performance. The one does not imply the other. Generally transistor performance improvements all go into power savings.

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24 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

It's not the chips anyone is comparing here. It's transistor performance. The one does not imply the other. Generally transistor performance improvements all go into power savings.

The point is that they haven't release their 10nm chips, so for all we know they haven't finished designing their process, so we really can't know if what they claim is true because it probably still is a result on a sheet of paper as of now. We'll see in a few months when they'll have everything. 

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5 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

The point is that they haven't release their 10nm chips, so for all we know they haven't finished designing their process, so we really can't know if what they claim is true because it probably still is a result on a sheet of paper as of now. We'll see in a few months when they'll have everything. 

The process is finished with about a year before release. That's commonly Intel's schedule. Also, no, they test the transistors long before the process is locked down and takeouts begin.

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1 minute ago, patrickjp93 said:

The process is finished with about a year before release. That's commonly Intel's schedule. Also, no, they test the transistors long before the process is locked down and takeouts begin.

They test the transistors yes, but the process influence the quality of those transistors, and the performance of those in the actual chips, which is why until the process is locked on tight, no one can say how is the performance of the transistors used in the chips.

It's like carbon based transistors, we can achieve amazing ones in labs, but everything we could manufacture would be full of impurities making those behave poorly. I do not doubt Intel can achieve wonder in their labs, but transposing that to the final product isn't trivial and free.

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4 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

They test the transistors yes, but the process influence the quality of those transistors, and the performance of those in the actual chips, which is why until the process is locked on tight, no one can say how is the performance of the transistors used in the chips.

It's like carbon based transistors, we can achieve amazing ones in labs, but everything we could manufacture would be full of impurities making those behave poorly. I do not doubt Intel can achieve wonder in their labs, but transposing that to the final product isn't trivial and free.

It only gets better, not worse. Also, those tests are conducted using blocks of SRAM, or full-bore cache, which is the first thing redesigned in a new architecture. It's not just lab tests.

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