need help choosing a cpu

[dreamcast4599]

so im building a gaming pc just to mess around with. based around an lga 1150 Z87 asus sabertooth motherboard. with 1600mhz 4x8 gig sticks for 32 gigs total, and a 4gig RX 480 on a 2008 sanyo 720p lcd tv. originally i was gonna opt for an i5 4690K, but the seller backed out and refunded me. the motherboard currently has an i7 4770 in it. but i want a cpu that i can overclock, simply so i can experience overclocking a cpu for fun. i cant decide if i should opt for the i7 4770K or i7 4790K? i know both cpus are the same aside from there base/boost clock speeds but i cant find much info on google in terms of what cpu has better thermals when overclocked as well as which cpu has a reputsation for overclocking better?

id like people to share there thoughts and opinions on this which cpu should i go for and why assuming price/cost isnt an issue for me

 

already have a ryzen pc build so this build is mainly for fun also got the mobo for free so cpu will be the only cost atm

[jaslion]

Honestly I recommend you pick up a x58 cheap thingy from ali express then as the 4770k and 4790k were TERRIBLE overclockers due to poor tim. When delidded they did very well.

 

Especially at this age good luck keeping that cold since they have really poor thermal transfer.

 

Its why oc's back in the say were very moderate usually at best 4.4 on a very well cooled chip.

[dreamcast4599]

@jaslion but i already have mob cpu ram case psu gpu just want a better cpu since my current cpu is locked and cant overclock

[jaslion]

1 minute ago, dreamcast4599 said:

@jaslion but i already have mob cpu ram case psu gpu just want a better cpu since my current cpu is locked and cant overclock

Thing is that you'll at best get 10% uplift UNLESS you are ok to delid AND have a good cooler. Since the tim between the die and ihs is just thermal paste that stuff has gone bad by now and well some people have up to a 20c drop by replacing it. I see a forum post once in a while about 4th gen cpu's suddenly getting really hot or suddenly no longer coolable after years of being fine.

 

Maybe check for a pre delidded chip?

[SpecTre12345]

If I was trying to have fun on Z87 or Z97 I would probably want to grab a 5775c:

 

Intel CM8065802483301 SR2AG Core i7-5775C Processor 6M Cache NEW TRAY | eBay

This is Broadwell, pretty awesome chip. Only overclocks to like 4.3GHz, but performs like a 4.6GHz 4770k or 4790k because of IPC increase gen over gen.

 

If you plan on overclocking or having extensive fun with a 4770k or 4790k instead: as mentioned, you will have to delid to have a smooth or acceptable experience. You can get a delid tool for cheap, but run the risk of damaging the CPU yourself if you are not experienced or follow directions. There are some delidding services left, but probably not a great value for older chips. If you are up for the task, then watching tutorials and using a delidding tool might not be too difficult for you. Even then, a delidded 4770k or 4790k is probably on average clocking to 4.5-4.8GHz max. You won't see huge performance gains over your locked 4770, but you should still have a great experience to talk about (especially if it goes well). Otherwise, I would probably opt for the 5775c. Simply because of its rarity, increased IPC, and it really is only overclocking to 4.1-4.3GHz (not much headroom). There are some that got the 5775c up to 4.4-4.5GHz by disabling short time power limits. However, I believe that was still probably ideal silicon and not indicative of the average sample. 

[OddOod]

A 4770k is, like, 40$ on ebay. You're not gonna get much performance improvement, but have at it!

[Dedayog]

39 minutes ago, OddOod said:

A 4770k is, like, 40$ on ebay. You're not gonna get much performance improvement, but have at it!

Not sure how much "fun" building a 10 year old machine will be, what use?  Play a retro game you can play on your main machine anyway?

 

Seems a waste of money, that could be better spent on the main machine, or lunch or bills, or life./

[OddOod]

7 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Not sure how much "fun" building a 10 year old machine will be, what use?  Play a retro game you can play on your main machine anyway?

 

Seems a waste of money, that could be better spent on the main machine, or lunch or bills, or life./

OP is "building a gaming pc just to mess around with". They are deriving joy from it. And 40$ is what? most of a nice meal? If getting this thing up and running and doing whatever it is they want it to do yields more total joy for them than that meal would, they would be silly *not* to do it. 
OP does not owe you any explanation for their joy

[Dedayog]

1 hour ago, OddOod said:

OP is "building a gaming pc just to mess around with". They are deriving joy from it. And 40$ is what? most of a nice meal? If getting this thing up and running and doing whatever it is they want it to do yields more total joy for them than that meal would, they would be silly *not* to do it. 
OP does not owe you any explanation for their joy

Right, they don't.  But it's a tad more than $40, it's the value of all other parts involved.  Assets hold value, which you imply in your rebuttal but neglect in your calculation.

 

Not a big deal, was more speculation than trying to sway them.  I simply don't understand it, and if we can't hold discourse on both sides of an issue ... 

[dreamcast4599]

@OddOod @Dedayog last year for xmas i built my friend who couldnt afford a pc his very first pc based on the lga 1150 socket most of the parts i am using for this build were extras i had lying around i.e. bought two used z87 motherboards off ebay in case one had issues or to have as a spare just in case so aside from the 20$ spent on the case and the 40$ spent on the new in box psu everything else was either given to me for free or leftover from my friends pc build so i dont have much money put into this, sure i could game on my 3900x but if i have these parts lying around might as well use them rather then have them collect dust

[OddOod]

2 hours ago, dreamcast4599 said:

might as well use them rather then have them collect dust

Rad!
This is how I ended up assembling my first HTPC back in '14.
I had bought a 4U server for 30$ at liquidation (wanted the case for some project that never went anywhere). Harvesting the CPU (i7-980, that is not a typo), mobo, and ram, grabbed an old 250GB SSD plus a 40$ PSU and I had everything I needed. Except a case. So I rooted around in my dad's shop where I found, of all things, some spare pegboard. Using a double handful of zipties and some judicious hacksaw work I was able to mount everything right and proper. 
That was (*oof*) a decade ago and, while some of the parts died, and others were merely upgraded, this HTPC of Theseus has carried one part all that time: the case.

[dreamcast4599]

@OddOod my first cpu was a 990X from the lga 1366 X58 platform i know many people think i shouldnt dump money into such an old platform but for me just because its old and maybe outdated doesnt mean you junk it my current storage server is based around an old socket 2011 ddr3 setup because the parts can be had for cheap so after building my friend his gaming pc i took the spare motherboard and ram and figured why not build a pc for fun to mess around with and to just enjoy

[OddOod]

3 hours ago, dreamcast4599 said:

current storage server is based around an old socket 2011

Super awesome. Both my primary storage array and backup are built around 2014 era servers. The backup even runs commodity ddr3 RAM. They are cheap and reliable. Plus, power 'round these parts ain't too spendy so the extra 20W comes out to maybe 30$ a year in margin.

[dreamcast4599]

@OddOod heres a pic of my server mobo 24 dimm slots all full of 16 gig dimms lol no offense to anyone who commented on my post but i love to mess around with old hardware even if others thing cost wise its not worth it

[Dedayog]

1 hour ago, dreamcast4599 said:

@OddOod heres a pic of my server mobo 24 dimm slots all full of 16 gig dimms lol no offense to anyone who commented on my post but i love to mess around with old hardware even if others thing cost wise its not worth it

No offense taken but no need to worry about that.  I will apologize for my presentation of my inquiry prior.

 

 Very cool motherboard, populated all dimms?  What kind of use and performance do you get from it?

[dreamcast4599]

@Dedayog all 24 dimms have 16gig 1600mhz ecc registered dimms and dual 10 core low power xeons i have a 2.5 inch ssd for the os and a sas raid card and backing up an 8TB drive took less than an hour