Sony has come up with an excuse for you to buy Kaby Lake CPUs

[jagdtigger]

2 minutes ago, FakezZ said:

Yeah it would definitely kill the battery life, but I don't really think software decoding is something that even like an i3 can't handle...

Maybe, but its a "very tight fit", but an i5 would be more than enough i think. Since i dont have any 4k hevc vids i cant test it. Maybe i download sintel and convert it  .

[The Benjamins]

Spoiler

my windows server transcoding from HEVC to h264 in 4k with a bit rate at about 30-40 Mb/s the CPU is a D-1541 (scores 996 on cinebench R15 vs 4770k @4.4 822)

[Trixanity]

9 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

the point isnt that if you or i can but can the user base the company is targeting.

Kabylake has a 4k capable HEVC decoder almost all other don't, Most people do not have desktop class i7 like cpus in their machines, so Sony, Netflix, etc can not guarantee a good user experience for 4k content that is not being run on a device that does NOT have hardware decoder. that is the main reason why Netflix on streams 4k content to TV only. I bet 95% of laptops cant view 4k HEVC videos smoothly, and it would KILL battery life.

Actually the reason Netflix 4K is unavailable is DRM or rather lack there of. Another fun fact is that you can't even stream 1080p on a PC because of DRM unless you use the Windows 10 app or Edge/IE browser. Don't know why Netflix doesn't support 4K on their own app, but I guess DRM isn't good enough for them and possibly the lack of hardware decoder. In either case, the majority of PCs shipping in 2017 will have hardware decoders and HDCP support one way or another whether it's through Kaby Lake, Zen, Polaris/Vega, Pascal (and select Maxwell).

[The Benjamins]

13 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

Actually the reason Netflix 4K is unavailable is DRM or rather lack there of. Another fun fact is that you can't even stream 1080p on a PC because of DRM unless you use the Windows 10 app or Edge/IE browser. Don't know why Netflix doesn't support 4K on their own app, but I guess DRM isn't good enough for them and possibly the lack of hardware decoder. In either case, the majority of PCs shipping in 2017 will have hardware decoders and HDCP support one way or another whether it's through Kaby Lake, Zen, Polaris/Vega, Pascal (and select Maxwell).

yes this is the other reason they don't but it still stands that most of the PCs that watch Netflix cant handle 4k HEVC decoding.

[PocketNerd]

And this is why I'm giving so little shits about being 4k ready right now. There's going to be so little content that isn't behind a paywall and most hardware right now isn't even capable of playing 4k reliably without paying out the ass.

I'll wait until the idiots upstairs figure out their shit and decide to stop treating consumers like children.

[Zodiark1593]

28 minutes ago, PocketNerd said:

And this is why I'm giving so little shits about being 4k ready right now. There's going to be so little content that isn't behind a paywall and most hardware right now isn't even capable of playing 4k reliably without paying out the ass.

I'll wait until the idiots upstairs figure out their shit and decide to stop treating consumers like children.

My PC can handle 4K, and it wasn't absurdly expensive. One of the GTX 960's few merits. 

[Tocsin_786]

10 hours ago, Syntaxvgm said:

I got a micomsoft capture card and a cheap hdmi splitter that disagrees 

right... you can capture anything with supplies that cost 50 -  200 dollars. 

[Dabombinable]

4 hours ago, The Benjamins said:

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my windows server transcoding from HEVC to h264 in 4k with a bit rate at about 30-40 Mb/s the CPU is a D-1541 (scores 996 on cinebench R15 vs 4770k @4.4 822)

Ok...considering my 4790K never comes under that high a load with 4K HVEC videos.....even when its not overclocked to 4.8GHz.....

[The Benjamins]

1 minute ago, Dabombinable said:

Ok...considering my 4790K never comes under that high a load with 4K HVEC videos.....even when its not overclocked to 4.8GHz.....

what does it hit, and depending on the settings used with encoding it can be more or less CPU intensive

[jagdtigger]

5 hours ago, The Benjamins said:

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my windows server transcoding from HEVC to h264 in 4k with a bit rate at about 30-40 Mb/s the CPU is a D-1541 (scores 996 on cinebench R15 vs 4770k @4.4 822)

Transcoding isnt the same as viewing it. I started to convert sintel. If its done i post the result while playing it.

[Zodiark1593]

5 hours ago, The Benjamins said:

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my windows server transcoding from HEVC to h264 in 4k with a bit rate at about 30-40 Mb/s the CPU is a D-1541 (scores 996 on cinebench R15 vs 4770k @4.4 822)

Of course, this is a transcode, not a straight-up decode task. 

 

My i5-4590 can handle YouTube 4K30P decode in software with 30%-40% utilization (this is Google's VP9 codec mind you), more than enough to tackle HEVC without hardware assistance from the 960.

 

As far as transcode goes, even H264 4K from another similar source may be beyond the capabilities of the i5. 1080P from HEVC to H264 (Blu Ray rips)  in real time may be within the realm of possibility, though I've yet to try it. 

[Dabombinable]

1 hour ago, The Benjamins said:

what does it hit, and depending on the settings used with encoding it can be more or less CPU intensive

Decoding, 20% at most, encoding it always hits 100%, just the way it does with H264 and any other codec (excluding low compression codecs, I pretty much run 1 per thread without any drop in speed). Trans-coding literally depends on the speed of the drive however, and I saw about the same usage as you did until a powersurge from the PSU (one of the many faulty units I've gotten) took out all 3 ODD (BR, 2x Lightscribe DVD). Remember BTW that Sony is talking about decoding 4K HEVC, not trans-coding a 4K Blueray to 4K HEVC, as that always requires more resources.

[jagdtigger]

Okay, its done:

Spoiler

General
Complete name                  :
Format                         : MPEG-4
Format profile                 : Sony PSP
Codec ID                       : MSNV
File size                      : 3.44 GiB
Duration                       : 14mn 48s
Overall bit rate               : 33.3 Mbps
Encoded date                   : UTC 2016-09-04 07:48:20
Tagged date                    : UTC 2016-09-04 07:48:20

Video
ID                             : 1
Format                         : HEVC
Format/Info                    : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                 : Main@L5@High
Codec ID                       : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                  : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                       : 14mn 47s
Bit rate                       : 33.1 Mbps
Width                          : 4 096 pixels
Height                         : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio           : 16:9
Frame rate mode                : Constant
Frame rate                     : 25.000 fps
Color space                    : YUV
Chroma subsampling             : 4:2:0
Bit depth                      : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)             : 0.150
Stream size                    : 3.42 GiB (99%)
Language                       : English
Encoded date                   : UTC 2016-09-04 07:48:20
Tagged date                    : UTC 2016-09-04 07:48:20

Audio
ID                             : 2
Format                         : AAC
Format/Info                    : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile                 : LC
Codec ID                       : 40
Duration                       : 14mn 48s
Source duration                : 14mn 48s
Bit rate mode                  : Constant
Bit rate                       : 199 Kbps
Nominal bit rate               : 384 Kbps
Channel(s)                     : 2 channels
Channel positions              : Front: L R
Sampling rate                  : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode               : Lossy
Stream size                    : 21.0 MiB (1%)
Source stream size             : 21.0 MiB (1%)
Language                       : English
Encoded date                   : UTC 2016-09-04 07:48:20
Tagged date                    : UTC 2016-09-04 07:48:20
mdhd_Duration                  : 888020

 

MPCHC(x64) is using ~40% of my cpu(4670k@4,5GHz)...

[ThinkWithPortals]

17 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

2) They stream 4K videos better.

Ha ha, fuck off.

[AlTech]

17 minutes ago, ThinkWithPortals said:

Ha ha, fuck off.

I'm being serious. They have better 4K DECODING...........

[jagdtigger]

59 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

I'm being serious. They have better 4K DECODING...........

Not better just HW accelerated. The quality is source dependent in this case not decoder...

[Syntaxvgm]

10 hours ago, Tocsin_786 said:

right... you can capture anything with supplies that cost 50 -  200 dollars. 

this particular card I think cost 350 USD ish 

kinda that porsche of cards.