I7 7500U Review

[NumLock21]

25 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

http://ark.intel.com/products/codename/37572/Skylake?q=skylake#@Mobile

http://ark.intel.com/products/codename/38530/Broadwell#@Mobile

http://ark.intel.com/products/codename/42174/Haswell#@Mobile

 

 

Not based on the full Core-line Architectures... 

They're based on the Apollo Lake architecture. but quad core Celeron and Pentium do exist. Almost got fooled once with their rebadging of Atoms to Pentiums. lol

[Lays]

On 8/30/2016 at 1:01 PM, GoodBytes said:

Looks like it still doesn't have DP 1.3, or USB 3.1 Gen 2 native support. What a shame. Guess I'll wait for next model to replace my Core i7 930. Not interested in half baked products. Hopefully it won't have the mass number of issues that Skylake had as a starting point.

What issues?

[Curufinwe_wins]

4 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

They're based on the Apollo Lake architecture. but quad core Celeron and Pentium do exist. Almost got fooled once with their rebading of Atoms to Pentiums. lol

Hence the statement of not based on the full Core-line Architectures... 

 

Also a pentium atom isn't going to be labeled as a -U so that still works.

[NumLock21]

2 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Hence the statement of not based on the full Core-line Architectures...

Also a pentium atom isn't going to be labeled as a -U so that still works.

Yeah, they're labeled with a J or N. My first netbook run on a Intel Atom with Nvidia ION graphics. Thing was slow and it died. Need a replacement, so I went to check out them new ones. Saw new netbooks with Pentium CPUs and I thought, okay maybe these will be better than their Atoms. Did a wiki search and found out they're based on the same architecture as the crappy Atom!

[Curufinwe_wins]

2 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Yeah, they're labeled with a J or N. My first netbook run on a Intel Atom with Nvidia ION graphics. Thing was slow and it died. Need a replacement, so I went to check out them new ones. Saw new netbooks with Pentium CPUs and I thought, okay maybe these will be better than their Atoms. Did a wiki search and found out they're based on the same architecture as the crappy Atom!

Yea. I'd highly recommend everyone stick away anything less than the -U series chips (including the -Y, and J/N) for mobile devices.

[GoodBytes]

26 minutes ago, Lays said:

What issues?

Ignoring all the issues related to the IGP of the CPU on the mobile side, until very recently most issues where worked around via firmware upgrades and drivers (no actual fix). The CPU thinner circuit board that contains the actual CPU die, is too thin. Intel tried to cut costs, and as a result heatsinks can damage the CPU. Issue with the built-in USB 3.0 controller causes the inability to boot certain OSs in certain ways (need to use another USB 3.0 controller if the motherboard supports, or USB 2.0). Under certain work load scenarios, no matter the OS (Linux included) the chip itself can freeze. There is no fix, just a patch that Intel released for motherboard manufacture and OEMs to implement in their BIOS. No information is performance remains, Intel doesn't answer that question, so probably there is a reduction to some level. Sorry, but for the cost, they better be perfect. Especially that these kind of issues where not there before. I expect this next gen chip to have these issues actually solved.

 

 

[GoodBytes]

7 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Yea. I'd highly recommend everyone stick away anything less than the -U series chips (including the -Y, and J/N) for mobile devices.

Yea. For me it is -U i5 as minimum I recommend with an SSD on any system. Sure it costs more, but ensures the best experience, even if you just "web surf" and use "Office". The performance gain is visible, in just using the system (especially thanks the SSD)

[GoodBytes]

7 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Yea. I'd highly recommend everyone stick away anything less than the -U series chips (including the -Y, and J/N) for mobile devices.

Yea. For me it is -U i5 as minimum I recommend with an SSD on any system. Sure it costs more, but ensures the best experience, even if you just "web surf" and use "Office". The performance gain is visible, in just using the system (especially thanks the SSD)

[GoodBytes]

7 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Yea. I'd highly recommend everyone stick away anything less than the -U series chips (including the -Y, and J/N) for mobile devices.

Yea. For me it is -U i5 as minimum I recommend with an SSD on any system. Sure it costs more, but ensures the best experience, even if you just "web surf" and use "Office". The performance gain is visible, in just using the system (especially thanks the SSD)

[Curufinwe_wins]

3 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

Ignoring all the issues related to the IGP of the CPU on the mobile side, until very recently most issues where worked around via firmware upgrades and drivers (no actual fix). The CPU thinner circuit board that contains the actual CPU die, is too thin. Intel tried to cut costs, and as a result heatsinks can damage the CPU. Issue with the built-in USB 3.0 controller causes the inability to boot certain OSs in certain ways (need to use another USB 3.0 controller if the motherboard supports, or USB 2.0). Under certain work load scenarios, no matter the OS (Linux included) the chip itself can freeze. There is no fix, just a patch that Intel released for motherboard manufacture and OEMs to implement in their BIOS. No information is performance remains, Intel doesn't answer that question, so probably there is a reduction to some level. Sorry, but for the cost, they better be perfect. Especially that these kind of issues where not there before. I expect this next gen chip to have these issues actually solved.

 

 

You know technically speaking... the only heatsinks that broke dies were ones that were out of spec. A spec that had been in place for a decade.

 

Also the majority of your other issues aren't really issues either. The USB3.0 issue isn't new (literally been a thing since it's inception) and it isn't Intel's fault. Microcode update for skylake did go out on Windows OS's not just from bios and having to do that isn't new either....

 

If you want reasons to not upgrade, cool. But just saying.

[GoodBytes]

3 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

You know technically speaking... the only heatsinks that broke dies were ones that were out of spec. A spec that had been in place for a decade.

 

Also the majority of your other issues aren't really issues either. The USB3.0 issue isn't new (literally been a thing since it's inception) and it isn't Intel's fault. Microcode update for skylake did go out on Windows OS's not just from bios and having to do that isn't new either....

 

If you want reasons to not upgrade, cool. But just saying.

I am voting with my wallet. I don't support low quality products, especially at that price. These issue could have been actually fixed with revision of chips, but that costs money.

 

[Curufinwe_wins]

6 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

I am voting with my wallet. I don't support low quality products, especially at that price. These issue could have been actually fixed with revision of chips, but that costs money.

And results in this:

 

http://ark.intel.com/products/codename/42174/Haswell#@All

 

But you know... what's consumer confusion between friends...

[Lays]

2 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

Ignoring all the issues related to the IGP of the CPU on the mobile side, until very recently most issues where worked around via firmware upgrades and drivers (no actual fix). The CPU thinner circuit board that contains the actual CPU die, is too thin. Intel tried to cut costs, and as a result heatsinks can damage the CPU. Issue with the built-in USB 3.0 controller causes the inability to boot certain OSs in certain ways (need to use another USB 3.0 controller if the motherboard supports, or USB 2.0). Under certain work load scenarios, no matter the OS (Linux included) the chip itself can freeze. There is no fix, just a patch that Intel released for motherboard manufacture and OEMs to implement in their BIOS. No information is performance remains, Intel doesn't answer that question, so probably there is a reduction to some level. Sorry, but for the cost, they better be perfect. Especially that these kind of issues where not there before. I expect this next gen chip to have these issues actually solved.

 

 

 

The only people i've seen bending/breaking their chips were those articles that first came out about some guy that used a drill, and heatsinks that were out of spec. I have my chip delidded with the IHS just floating on top of it, and have remounted tons of heatsinks on it, not once have I had any type of bend issues, I've even mounted LN2 pots on it with wonky mounting hardware, no issues.

 

Do you mean windows 7 not having the drivers for it?  There's tools that will add the driver into the ISO, so you can install them.

 

I'm not understanding how your reasoning makes them "low quality" parts, my chip has been absolutely solid and I've never experienced issues with it, even at 1.75v at -70c. 

[GoodBytes]

21 minutes ago, Lays said:

Do you mean windows 7 not having the drivers for it?  There's tools that will add the driver into the ISO, so you can install them.

No, I am saying that it won't even boot your USB flash drive to start with. You need to use another USB 3.0 controller, then it will work. So unless your motherboard manufacture did some hacking, or just plain uses it's own controller instead of Intel, it won't boot. I don't know if it applies for both UEFI and legacy mode BIOS, or just legacy BIOS. This was known way before the chip was released. Intel could have worked on it before and do a small delay to fix it before mass producing the chip.

[Lays]

Just now, GoodBytes said:

No, I am saying that it won't even boot your USB flash drive to start with. You need to use another USB 3.0 controller, then it will work. So unless your motherboard manufacture did some hacking, or just plain uses it's own controller instead of Intel, it won't boot.

Don't most boards use Asmedia on some ports, and intel on the rest?

[Lays]

Just now, GoodBytes said:

No, I am saying that it won't even boot your USB flash drive to start with. You need to use another USB 3.0 controller, then it will work. So unless your motherboard manufacture did some hacking, or just plain uses it's own controller instead of Intel, it won't boot.

Don't most boards use Asmedia on some ports, and intel on the rest?  Isn't that the chipset / board manufacturer, not the CPU at fault?

[Mr.Meerkat]

5 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

There are quad cores Pentium and Celerons.

which are basically atoms...(not the old shitty single core ones, the baytrail ones which aren't too bad IMO)

[NumLock21]

Just now, Mr.Meerkat said:

which are basically atoms...(not the old shitty single core ones, the baytrail ones which aren't too bad IMO)

Yes, their Atoms, just like that Xeon Phi system Linus is getting from SuperMicro.

[Mr.Meerkat]

2 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Yes, their Atoms, just like that Xeon Phi system Linus is getting from SuperMicro.

I don't mind them as they are "powerful enough" for the price and whatnot (like come on, you can get a 50 quid windows tablet with that while being good enough for media consumption and whatever )

[Coaxialgamer]

6 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

There are quad cores Pentium and Celerons.

Yes,  but those are based on the same architecture as atoms.  They're just glorified tablet processors. 

[NumLock21]

Just now, Coaxialgamer said:

Yes,  but those are based on the same architecture as atoms.  They're just glorified tablet processors. 

Don' matter the point was they do exist. And it was already mentioned they are based on the Atom. Atom vs Itanium. Hmmm tough choice.

 

[Coaxialgamer]

9 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Don' matter the point was they do exist. And it was already mentioned they are based on the Atom. Atom vs Itanium. Hmmm tough choice.

 

Itanium is way cooler than atom imo.  But not really as useful... 

[AlTech]

6 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

There are quad cores Pentium and Celerons.

Yes but those are Atom based. They're not from the Core I series

[NumLock21]

1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

Yes but those are Atom based. They're not from the Core I series

You're 24 post late on that.

 

[rattacko123]

Kaby lake is on ark.intel
http://ark.intel.com/products/95451/Intel-Core-i7-7500U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_50-GHz- 
No quad core Kaby-Lake has been released yet, they are all dual cores