AMD Caught Using Dirty Tricks

[EChondo]

Unless I know why they are doing this, then I won't comment on it. Could it be because of their new audio route they are taking?

[heineygoat]

 If you get a Steam Machine you are going to want to connect it to a TV via HDMI, and if this article is correct then you have to buy the cable from AMD à la Apple style.

 

No you plug it into the HDMI port on the card. Or use the free included adapter.

[afa7336]

This is so dumb.

 

The card has a HDMI plug anyway.

The adapter will be included for free.

And most importantly it probably has something to do with the new audio technology implemented on their cards.

 

Like, as if this is some kind of "dirty trick" for INSANE profits. "Oh ya AMD will be ROLLING in it now guise. Those greedy bastards with all that adapter profit!...."

 

There's so much hate for AMD in this thread and it's all associated with love for Nvidia. I can only conclude that it's a bunch of fan boys who have finally found the most minor thing to hate about the 200 series of AMD and are just blowing it completely out of the water because that's all they got.

 

And if said plug breaks, or I get two monitors (There are monitors that don't have DP or DVI hookups and rely on HDMI  + a tv (Which I have done in the past, I might add)? How about the fact that they are doing it at all? Basically they are forcing a driver check for their hardware (plug) in this case. How about people wanting a small monitor for an HTPC plus run to a TV? As I said, I have a setup sorta like this in my bedroom.

 

Edit: I also want to add that what happens if people let this slide? Do they then have the ability to make the same check for DP adapters? How about if they move to have a specific cable? The implications for what this CAN lead to is astonishing. As much as people rail against apple for proprietary cables/connectors/etc. I'm shocked. 

 

As for fanboyism from me? Nope, sorry. I can't speak for everyone, but as the person who posted this story it had nothing to do with catching AMD with their pants down. Like I said, I saw it come across my twitter feed, read it, saw it wasn't posted here, and posted it. Now the implication you are making is that this article has no merit, well it seems that it does in my opinion. We can debate all day long, but darn, this forum is getting so bad imho, when if you say something bad about AMD in any way shape or form, you get tons of hate. But when it is Nvidia, its open season to go on the witch hunt against Nvidia. I submit the Nvidia monitor limiting as a perfect example. Burn Nvidia at the stake, but as soon as AMD limits the way YOU want to do things, it's open season on anyone that condemns them.

 

What does that say about us, as a forum, when we can't shoot it straight and call a spade a spade? 

 

Look at my post in the AMD beta driver, I said it like it was, I didn't blame drivers for the BF4 issue, quite the opposite. I also defending them putting in DX9 fixes. That doesn't sound like a fanboy out to get AMD.

Edited October 9, 2013 by afa7336

[LAwLz]

No you plug it into the HDMI port on the card. Or use the free included adapter.

There are a lot of situations where this might not be possible. What if I need more than 1 HDMI connector plugged in? What if I for some reason have lost the adapter?

 

 

-snip-

Well you have to admit the title is a bit sensationalistic.

 

I do agree that there is a ton of AMD fanboys on this forum which are very quick to defend AMD when they do something bad, and flame Nvidia without any evidence. Same goes for HTC. Samsung get caught "cheating" in benchmarks, everyone goes "ohh never buying a Samsung smartphone again!" and when it is revealed HTC does the same thing everyone is suddenly OK with it.

[Kuzma]

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There is indeed a lot of AMD fanboys on the forum I'm probably counted among them but I'm perfectly neutral running an Intel/Nvidia build right now.

[heineygoat]

And if said plug breaks, or I get two monitors (There are monitors that don't have DP or DVI hookups and rely on HDMI  + a tv (Which I have done in the past, I might add)? How about the fact that they are doing it at all? Basically they are forcing a driver check for their hardware (plug) in this case. How about people wanting a small monitor for an HTPC plus run to a TV? As I said, I have a setup sorta like this in my bedroom.

 

As for fanboyism from me? Nope, sorry. I can't speak for everyone, but as the person who posted this story it had nothing to do with catching AMD with their pants down. Like I said, I saw it come across my twitter feed, read it, saw it wasn't posted here, and posted it. Now the implication you are making is that this article has no merit, well it seems that it does in my opinion. We can debate all day long, but darn, this forum is getting so bad imho, when if you say something bad about AMD in any way shape or form, you get tons of hate. But when it is Nvidia, its open season to go on the witch hunt against Nvidia. I submit the Nvidia monitor limiting as a perfect example. Burn Nvidia at the stake, but as soon as AMD limits the way YOU want to do things, it's open season on anyone that condemns them.

 

What does that say about us, as a forum, when we can't shoot it straight and call a spade a spade? 

 

Look at my post in the AMD beta driver, I said it like it was, I didn't blame drivers for the BF4 issue, quite the opposite. I also defending them putting in DX9 fixes. That doesn't sound like a fanboy out to get AMD.

 

I'll agree this forum doesn't need more debating, and in certain use scenarios this may be inconvenient, but a "dirty trick"? No. This is not some crazy money making scheme by AMD.

As for fanboyism I consider myself to be somewhat on the fence about both companies. I'm running a 7970 and I'm not impressed with it's heat and noise. My next option will likely be Nvidia.

[xox]

I get it... But what I don't get is the fact that they are dropping Analogue. I am fine with using my CRT monitor. It produces great colour and the viewing angles are insanely good

[Fetzie]

I get it... But what I don't get is the fact that they are dropping Analogue. I am fine with using my CRT monitor. It produces great colour and the viewing angles are insanely good

 

DisplayPort to VGA adapter?

[Commissar]

Huh? This has nothing to do with Nvidia?

 

 

There are several monitors that actually don't use DVI, and use HDMI exclusively. Lets look at the ASUS MX279H for instance. Also TVs and the such.

I have one. ASUS VX-238H. came with an adapter, but I don't need it, as my card has an open HDMI out. in fact, it works perfectly for me, casue when I get my korean 1440p, my DL-DVI port will be open, and my VH242H can be plugged into the single-link dvi.

[xox]

DisplayPort to VGA adapter?

Latency is another reason why I use a CRT

[SoySauciE]

 

And if you play on a TV then you should not be building your own PC's.  1080p above 27 inches looks ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE

 

 

Um some people just want to watch movies or other stuff. I have my card hooked up to my 50 inch and when i just want to watch movies with ice cream on a Friday night hdmi works great. 

[squirrl]

I don't get it.... 

 

If you are so uncouth as to use a DVI to HDMI adapter which did not come with your shiny new Radeon then you are not allowed to have audio signals transferred over that HDMI cable on either Windows or Linux.

 

DVI doesn't transfer audio signals so surely if you stuck any adapter on the end of a HDMI cable, weather it came with your card or not, then you wouldn't have any audio no matter what card you used?

 

Or does AMD have some magical DVI-HDMI adapter that can transfer audio too?

[Fetzie]

I don't get it.... 

 

DVI doesn't transfer audio signals so surely if you stuck any adapter on the end of a HDMI cable, weather it came with your card or not, then you wouldn't have any audio no matter what card you used?

 

Or does AMD have some magical DVI-HDMI adapter that can transfer audio too?

 

DVI-I can transmit sound IIRC.

[EChondo]

I don't get it.... 

 

DVI doesn't transfer audio signals so surely if you stuck any adapter on the end of a HDMI cable, weather it came with your card or not, then you wouldn't have any audio no matter what card you used?

 

Or does AMD have some magical DVI-HDMI adapter that can transfer audio too?

DVI can supply sound over it, as long as both end devices support HDCP.

[Inkz]

I would not have that much of a problem with this, I am more upset that Nvidia paid Origin to not sell any AMD cards.

[gastew15]

This topic seems slightly deceiving... if this is a dirty trick then I'm kind of curious about all the stuff Nivida, and Intel have done to them over the years is classified as...  :huh:    I was going to say that they deserve a dirty trick or two at this rate, and I guess they hit it where it hurts.. those HDMI adapters....    

[afa7336]

In mass post ftw. lol, forgive me.

This topic seems slightly deceiving... if this is a dirty trick then I'm kind of curious about all the stuff Nivida, and Intel have done to them over the years is classified as...  :huh:    I was going to say that they deserve a dirty trick or two at this rate, and I guess they hit it where it hurts.. those HDMI adapters....    

 

What they do is wrong, plain and simple. I ain't going to pull punches for them. And when you deliberately force a driver check, as I said, its sucks now but it does have far reaching implications. Whose to say they don't do something with DisplayPort? How about a special cable next time. It is bad now, but what can it lead to in the future? There is no single scenario for each setup, why should AMD or Nvidia force a certain setup, or force them to buy adapters from them. The future can look bleak.  

 

I would not have that much of a problem with this, I am more upset that Nvidia paid Origin to not sell any AMD cards.

 

*facepalms* If you're going to throw around that, please know there really isn't any facts as far as any of us here know. Except one article (Which you want a comment from me, I've made my posts in those threads pretty clear). But again, another shining example of jumping on the 'Hate Nvidia' bandwagon without proof.

 

No you plug it into the HDMI port on the card. Or use the free included adapter.

 

Okay, where do I plug my TV, and two other monitors? *example only*

 

There are a lot of situations where this might not be possible. What if I need more than 1 HDMI connector plugged in? What if I for some reason have lost the adapter?

 

 

Well you have to admit the title is a bit sensationalistic.

 

I do agree that there is a ton of AMD fanboys on this forum which are very quick to defend AMD when they do something bad, and flame Nvidia without any evidence. Same goes for HTC. Samsung get caught "cheating" in benchmarks, everyone goes "ohh never buying a Samsung smartphone again!" and when it is revealed HTC does the same thing everyone is suddenly OK with it.

 

It really is a dirty trick. Raise of hands, how many knew about this? Did AMD come out and comment on this change or specific setup?

 

There is indeed a lot of AMD fanboys on the forum I'm probably counted among them but I'm perfectly neutral running an Intel/Nvidia build right now.

 

lol, I'm running all kinds of cards from AMD and Nvidia. I could care less about liking one more then the other, its about what is the best for my situation. How I've ended up with AMD and Nvidia cards. 

 

I'll agree this forum doesn't need more debating, and in certain use scenarios this may be inconvenient, but a "dirty trick"? No. This is not some crazy money making scheme by AMD.

As for fanboyism I consider myself to be somewhat on the fence about both companies. I'm running a 7970 and I'm not impressed with it's heat and noise. My next option will likely be Nvidia.

 

Inconvenient? Hey, I heard the whole Nvidia monitor limiting as a blasphemy and that we should kill Nvidia with fire. It was an underhanded trick, and they were forcing people to three monitors. Then its competitor comes out and limits what you can do with your monitors in essence (With far more reaching implications then Nvidia), and its just an inconvenience? That boggles the mind how people think that, to be honest.

 

I have one. ASUS VX-238H. came with an adapter, but I don't need it, as my card has an open HDMI out. in fact, it works perfectly for me, casue when I get my korean 1440p, my DL-DVI port will be open, and my VH242H can be plugged into the single-link dvi.

 

Right, but that adapter that came with the monitor? It won't carry the audio to the TV like the AMD one will. AMD does a driver level check to make sure you are using their own adapter. No more going to best buy or whatever. That right there is where the serious trick is. You can use an adapter, but if you want to do what you want, you need to buy it from us.

[LAwLz]

I don't get it.... 

 

DVI doesn't transfer audio signals so surely if you stuck any adapter on the end of a HDMI cable, weather it came with your card or not, then you wouldn't have any audio no matter what card you used?

 

Or does AMD have some magical DVI-HDMI adapter that can transfer audio too?

It is possible to transfer audio via a DVI cable but I don't think it is standardized. What I *think* they do is use the pins for analog video to send audio over that, and then the adapter just links those analog pins (now sending audio) to the pins HDMI uses for audio, which is why DVI to DVI won't have audio but DVI to HDMI can have it (since the DVI receiver won't be expecting audio on those pins).

 

 

Actually I Googled this and it seems like AMD have always had this strange restriction on their cards, where you need an AMD adapter to make it work.

 

This was posted over 2 years ago by TechPowerUp user newtekie1:

With ATi you have to have an adapter that specifically supports their cards, but I have yet to come accross one that hasn't work with nVidia's cards.

 

I guess that shows that while this is not good, it's not really a big deal either since none of us have heard about it until now.

[Fetzie]

Okay, where do I plug my TV, and two other monitors? *example only*

 

You won't be using the speakers on all of the monitors though.

[TheProfosist]

The dvi to hdmi adapters that work properly on amd and nvidia that also carry sound are the exact same they have all the pins of a dual link dvi-d connection.

[obsidian1200]

I wonder if this would affect the displayports, too. If so, lame, but if not, then I don't think this is such a big deal.

[Inkz]

In mass post ftw. lol, forgive me.

 

What they do is wrong, plain and simple. I ain't going to pull punches for them. And when you deliberately force a driver check, as I said, its sucks now but it does have far reaching implications. Whose to say they don't do something with DisplayPort? How about a special cable next time. It is bad now, but what can it lead to in the future? There is no single scenario for each setup, why should AMD or Nvidia force a certain setup, or force them to buy adapters from them. The future can look bleak.  

 

 

*facepalms* If you're going to throw around that, please know there really isn't any facts as far as any of us here know. Except one article (Which you want a comment from me, I've made my posts in those threads pretty clear). But again, another shining example of jumping on the 'Hate Nvidia' bandwagon without proof.

 

 

Okay, where do I plug my TV, and two other monitors? *example only*

 

 

It really is a dirty trick. Raise of hands, how many knew about this? Did AMD come out and comment on this change or specific setup?

 

 

lol, I'm running all kinds of cards from AMD and Nvidia. I could care less about liking one more then the other, its about what is the best for my situation. How I've ended up with AMD and Nvidia cards. 

 

 

Inconvenient? Hey, I heard the whole Nvidia monitor limiting as a blasphemy and that we should kill Nvidia with fire. It was an underhanded trick, and they were forcing people to three monitors. Then its competitor comes out and limits what you can do with your monitors in essence (With far more reaching implications then Nvidia), and its just an inconvenience? That boggles the mind how people think that, to be honest.

 

 

Right, but that adapter that came with the monitor? It won't carry the audio to the TV like the AMD one will. AMD does a driver level check to make sure you are using their own adapter. No more going to best buy or whatever. That right there is where the serious trick is. You can use an adapter, but if you want to do what you want, you need to buy it from us.

I am not trying to be a fanboy, that is just my opinion. This article does not concern me that much, using a proprietary adapter would not bug me although it is still a bad thing.

[Commissar]

erm... this may have something to do with the fact that, normally, DVI DOES NOT CARRY SOUND, so the requirements for an adapter may be more stringent for that reason.

[Enderman]

OMG. well whatever, i hated AMD anyway.

Second that.