AMD Caught Using Dirty Tricks

[acepro71]

so what does this means ? hdmi ports on amd gpu's don't work ?> 

 

sorry i am a dimwit 

[Fetzie]

so what does this means ? hdmi ports on amd gpu's don't work ?> 

 

sorry i am a dimwit 

 

They work perfectly well. You just can't use any old DVI to HDMI converter.

 

The 290X has a DVI, an HDMI and a couple of DisplayPort outputs. So use a DisplayPort to HDMI adapter if you need more than one HDMI output and you don't have a DVI-HDMI adapter. Jeez, you'd think AMD were telling you to sacrifice a sheep every time you started a game, and the driver would crash if it didn't get to drink half a pint of sheep's blood every day, going by some of the comments in this thread.

[helping]

I don't see what the problem is here. I don't even know anyone who would need an audio feed through HDMI especially two of them since the graphics cards already come with 1 HDMI adapter and there is one already on the card?

 

Sure it's not nice of them to do, but I would imagine it might have something to do with an interaction something along the likes of eyefinity where an active adapter is needed. Seriously, who converts HDMI to DVI? You could just pick up a Displayport to HDMI adapter anyway, even better since Displayport has cheaper cables with multiple outputs.  

 

so what does this means ? hdmi ports on amd gpu's don't work ?> 

 

sorry i am a dimwit 

Did you even read the article? 

[afa7336]

^This

 

So you idiots are telling me you want to run 3 HDMI cables because you need 3 audio sources from 3 monitors? Just buy a fucking pair of surround speakers for god's sake.

 

There is 1 HDMI as far as I can tell from the pictures I have seen, with 1 DP and 2 DVI. Say I have an Asus MX279H which only has HDMI and D-Sub. Now say I want to run it to my TV as well. (How I have the bedroom PC setup sorta like that as a matter of fact). I have it running to a home theatre setup. I don't have speakers for the computer in the bedroom, just the monitor speakers. So that one is taken up. Now say the adapter I use for the TV goes out, I have to order from who? I can't go down to best buy and go get a new one on a whim. It does a driver check, and if it fails, it fails to push the audio source.

 

Not every persons setup can only use DVI. Not every setup can use DVI and HDMI on the card. Its a simple fact that they are forcing you to buy from only them, and using driver to check to make sure you are using their own part.

 

While you can use display port to HDMI, my question is for how long? This is kinda a big deal. 

 

As the article states "If you are so uncouth as to use a DVI to HDMI adapter which did not come with your shiny new Radeon then you are not allowed to have audio signals transferred over that HDMI cable on either Windows or Linux.  There is a ... shall we say Apple-like hardware check, that Phoronix reported on which will disable the audio output unless a specific EEPROM on your adapter is detected."

 

Edit: Or I want to get said adapter, I can't again go to best buy, gotta order it from AMD.

[Fetzie]

Presumably this means there will be said adapter boxed with the card.

 

And I'm sure a very clever boffin will figure out how to disable the check.

[acepro71]

They work perfectly well. You just can't use any old DVI to HDMI converter.

 

The 290X has a DVI, an HDMI and a couple of DisplayPort outputs. So use a DisplayPort to HDMI adapter if you need more than one HDMI output and you don't have a DVI-HDMI adapter. Jeez, you'd think AMD were telling you to sacrifice a sheep every time you started a game, and the driver would crash if it didn't get to drink half a pint of sheep's blood every day, going by some of the comments in this thread.

 

 

will dvi to vga will work ? cause i am using that with my 7870

[Fetzie]

will dvi to vga will work ? cause i am using that with my 7870

 

This is about HDMI not carrying audio if you are not using the "right" DVI to HDMI adapter. VGA cannot carry audio, so whether a DVI to VGA adapter will work in this specific case is a bit moot, tbh.

[acepro71]

.-text-

 

 

any ideas why did amd do this its not like it will profit them anyhow..

[Kilerbomb]

If you have your audio coming from your monitor speakers by way of HDMI, you're doing it wrong.

[martinrox1568]

Its called a HDMI to dvi cable

[EricX2]

I like how the article says there is an 'Apple-like hardware check'. Is that perhaps HDCP?

 

Besides, don't all new cards have HDMI built right in? No need for an adapter.

[afa7336]

I like how the article says there is an 'Apple-like hardware check'. Is that perhaps HDCP?

 

Besides, don't all new cards have HDMI built right in? No need for an adapter.

 

Like I said, say I am running a monitor that needs HDMI and a TV/Home Theatre... Thats two HDMI.

[winny3141]

Doesn't this remind you of the Thunderbolt to iPhone charger adapter that Apple released for backwards comparability with ihome during the advent of the iPhone 5. AMD is no no better then Nvidia with the Linux monitor limitations or Apple with their advent of the new charging input.

[Stephie_Girl]

Wait why do you need dvi to hdmi when every r7 and r9 has hdmi?

[afa7336]

Wait why do you need dvi to hdmi when every r7 and r9 has hdmi?

 

*points up*

[Telbet]

I for one did a build for a friend with an AMD card in which his only input is an HDMI and have been wondering why the audio does not go through the television he uses. Its especially annoying when we're trying to watch a movie off of his computer or play a game as a group. Well now I know. I also have a system set up where on occasion (similar uses as my friend) I'll have my computer connected to my TV, which only takes an HDMI, thankfully I have a Nvidia card for my personal rig, so everything sounds fine. Some set-up reliant on an HDMI with sound output seems to be more common than assumed on this discussion page which brings me to another point.

 

Its amazing how biased this forum is. Nvidia makes a restrictive measure that affects almost no one; its the end of the world. AMD makes a restriction that affects almost no one (though presumably more than the number of linux users with 4+ monitors) and its perfectly acceptable. This is also coupled with the number of people instantly believing the completely unsupported and extremely bs article about Nvidia paying off Origin.

 

Thank you afa for being brave enough to post anti-AMD content on this forum and for defending the blind hate against Nvidia on the bs SemiAccurate articles.

[Immort]

The topic of this post is obviously sensationalist, one only needs to read the article to realize how biased and jaded your views are.

 

Thus we have yesterday's revelation that NVIDIA has artificially limited the number of screens usable in Linux to three; not because of performance or stability issues but simply because it might provide Linux users with a better experience than Windows users.

It also has to be mentioned that these checks occur only on SOME cards, specifically the ones made during the ATi era & have nothing to do with AMD.
 

Rafał Miłecki ended up finding out and writing to the DRI developers' list, "it appears that ATI's proprietary adapter include some tiny I2C protocol that allows identifying them! It seems that Catalyst / fglrx uses some simple I2C talk to check if the adapter is made by ATI and allows or refuses to use HDMI mode."

 

For some AMD Radeon graphics cards when using the Catalyst driver, the HDMI audio support isn't enabled unless using the simple DVI to HDMI adapter included with the graphics card itself

 

And why is this even an issue when the DVI to HDMI adapter is INCLUDED with your graphics card.

This whole thing is a ridiculous attempt to slander AMD in attempt white-wash the unethical practices of Nvidia that have come out recently.

[afa7336]

The topic of this post is obviously sensationalist, one only needs to read the article to realize how biased and jaded your views are.

 

It also has to be mentioned that these checks occur only on SOME cards, specifically the ones made during the ATi era & have nothing to do with AMD.

 

 

 

And why is this even an issue when the DVI to HDMI adapter is INCLUDED with your graphics card.

This whole thing is a ridiculous attempt to slander AMD in attempt white-wash the unethical practices of Nvidia that have come out recently.

 

Tell me all the cards effected. You claim its only old cards, list them, because I haven't seen a list.

 

Number 2, so its okay for AMD to limit a select user base, but when its Nvidia limiting its user base its evil?

 

You CLAIM this is a slander attempt against AMD by PCPer because of this article from Semiaccurate? Because if you're about to accuse PCPer, that'll be interesting and I'll have to point out some of PCPers old names. Why don't I do that, so we can get some context. The two names that I recall off the top of my head are Amdmb.com and Athlonmb.com. If you were to make the argument of bias, wouldn't it lean towards being AMD bias then? PCPer, ask anyone around, is a pretty straight shooter. If you want to talk about that semiaccurate article, we can go to that thread and discuss that article. It really doesn't need to be discussed here.

 

Now your claim that this doesn't matter? Well it does, as I have repeated over and over. Read up, I really don't want to keep typing it, when people don't read and respond to it and say oh this doesn't matter.

 

**I've got no true dog in the fight. I've got both AMD and Nvidia cards. I've got both AMD and Intel CPUs. All are running in systems as we speak. Matter of fact, the computer I am typing this on is my HTPC, which is all AMD. (Wireless keyboard and mouse FTW).

[Immort]

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I'm saying you have an agenda not PCPer, because unlike PCPer, you intentionally avoided talking about how Nvidia artificially limited how many screens you can use in Linux even though it is right there in the article.

One only needs to look at your rating to realize how "credible" this is.

[afa7336]

I'm saying you have an agenda not PCPer, because unlike PCPer, you intentionally avoided talking about how Nvidia artificially limited how many screens you can use in Linux even though it is right there in the article.

One only needs to look at your rating to realize how "credible" this is.

 

Seriously? The article was about AMD not Nvidia! That was what PCPer was talking about was AMD. The part about Nvidia was a lead in! Nvidia was already posted here, and if you would do a little research I might have already posted in said article. (I've got to post in there again, btw, thanks for reminding me.) Would you like the links for said posts? Or do you think you can manage to find them?

 

By the way, my cred based on my rating? Are you seriously going to use THAT line? Come on, get something more original then that! This isn't a popularity contest. Based on YOUR idea of credible people, we should never ever trust a new forum member with only a few posts because they don't have that many likes.

 

BTW, if you read more of the article, I think I covered how I came to post said article. Read it.

[SKOONJar]

Who cares its included. 

[lhikary]

Ha!! Nvidia FTW!!
NVIDIA TITAN ULTRA FTW !!!!!

[heineygoat]

This is so dumb.

 

The card has a HDMI plug anyway.

The adapter will be included for free.

And most importantly it probably has something to do with the new audio technology implemented on their cards.

 

Like, as if this is some kind of "dirty trick" for INSANE profits. "Oh ya AMD will be ROLLING in it now guise. Those greedy bastards with all that adapter profit!...."

 

There's so much hate for AMD in this thread and it's all associated with love for Nvidia. I can only conclude that it's a bunch of fan boys who have finally found the most minor thing to hate about the 200 series of AMD and are just blowing it completely out of the water because that's all they got.

[sof006]

Prefer HDMI so woo I don't care

[LAwLz]

Personally I am against any kind of artificial limit like this, or the Nvidia 3 monitor limit in GNU/Linux. I think this might be a bigger issue that the 3 screens limit though. First of all, this seem to affect all OSes. Secondly, a few years ago this would not have been an issue. I mean, who uses HDMI for audio on their desktop anyway? The problem here might be Steam Machines. If you get a Steam Machine you are going to want to connect it to a TV via HDMI, and if this article is correct then you have to buy the adapter from AMD à la Apple style.

So yeah, for desktop users this is not a big deal. For Steam Machine users this will be a very big deal, and possibly a huge mess where people don't get why their HDMI cables doesn't work.

If it's just when you do DVI to HDMI then it's not a big deal. Still bad business practice but you could always just use the normal HDMI connector.