Xbox One S is faster than Xbox One

[AlTech]

It appears that the Xbox One S is faster than the Xbox One BUT don't get your hopes up!

 

The Xbox One S GPU is now clocked at 914MHz compared to the Xbox One's GPU which is clocked at 853MHz.

 

The CPU clock speed Is the same 1.75GHz on both Xbox One consoles.

 

The ESRAM has also faster memory bandwidth of 219GB/s compared to 204GB/s.

The new Xbox One S is 16nm instead of 14nm (what I expected) or 28nm original Xbox One.

 

 

So what does this GPU clock speed different mean? In most games there is little to no benefit EXCEPT games which have unlocked framerate or games which did not hit their target framerate on the original Xbox One.

 

 

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Xbox One S releases today and we finally have detailed data on exactly how the new console is faster than the original model. What's more, we've had access to production hardware for several days now, meaning we can test it. The bottom line is this: Xbox One S has a GPU clock-speed of 914MHz, up from 853MHz in the older unit. That's a 7.1 per cent increase and ESRAM bandwidth increases in line, taking that up to 218GB/s effective. Some games see no difference - others run noticeably faster.

As you can read in today's extensive Xbox One S tech interview, the GPU 'overclock' is one of a number of enhancements in a new system-on-chip (SoC) package that adds support for 4K HDR media and gaming. According to Microsoft, upclocking the graphics core is needed to support rendering real-time non-HDR versions of the game for the GameDVR feature, streaming and screenshots. The firm could have disabled it for non-HDR titles, but they chose not to - it's effectively a small, bonus value-added feature. In essence, the difference is rather like a factory overclocked PC graphics card compared to a stock model. By and large, Xbox One S runs like a standard console, but there are scenarios where the improvement is dramatic - far more so than we envisaged when Microsoft supplied the spec.

 

 

Here is what Microsoft had to say

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Some games (ones that utilize dynamic resolution and/or unlocked frame-rates) may see a very minor performance improvement. Our testing internally has shown this to be pretty minor, and is only measurable on certain games, so we didn't want to make it a 'selling point' for the new console."

 

 

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-xbox-one-s-has-a-gpu-overclock-and-we-have-benchmarked-it

 

Cool. But I'm annoyed that they didn't make the performance better with the One S. I really wanted like RX 470 performance in the One S.

[GDRRiley]

nice 10% faster. I could do that to my GPU by overclocking wow. :)))))

[AlTech]

3 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

nice 10% faster. I could do that to my GPU by overclocking wow. :)))))

it's a shame that they didn't replace the old GCN 1.1 architecture in the Xbox One with a cut down Polaris chip with the same amount of CUs.

 

15% more performance and even less power consumed .

[laminutederire]

1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

it's a shame that they didn't replace the old GCN 1.1 architecture in the Xbox One with a cut down Polaris chip with the same amount of CUs.

 

15% more performance and even less power consumed .

Console peasants wouldn't have understood

[Dresta]

5 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

it's a shame that they didn't replace the old GCN 1.1 architecture in the Xbox One with a cut down Polaris chip with the same amount of CUs.

 

15% more performance and even less power consumed .

1st gen GCN,now we have 4th gen GCN,great job console's,always fucking staying in place

[AlTech]

12 minutes ago, Dresta said:

1st gen GCN,now we have 4th gen GCN,great job console's,always fucking staying in place

Actually it had 2nd gen GCN (1.1). First gen was 1.0 . Third Gen was 1.2

[Dresta]

Just now, AluminiumTech said:

Actually it had 2nd gen GCN (1.1). First gen was 1.0 . Third Gen was 1.2

Oh,i misread it,derp LOL

 

Still,they need to get there shit straight or else people are gonna start creating $350-500 console killers in mini itx/micro atx format size's,HTPC Builds or DIY it to the wall,budget components are getting cheaper but better with offering more performance (GTX 1060,RX 480,RX 470)

[Derangel]

You're not going to get a price cut and stronger hardware. It's one or the other. The more powerful XB1 is coming next year. MS was pretty clear from the get go that this was little more than a smaller XB1 with a few additional features.

[ShadowCaptain]

2 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

 

Cool. But I'm annoyed that they didn't make the performance better with the One S. I really wanted like RX 470 performance in the One S.

 

They wont do that, too much separation of the player base and devs might fuck up making a game work on the slow xbox one

 

They already have a NEW console in the works, project scorpio which is meant to be a 4k gaming powerhouse, no point making the S much differnet from the one

[Dabombinable]

10 minutes ago, ShadowCaptain said:

 

They wont do that, too much separation of the player base and devs might fuck up making a game work on the slow xbox one

 

They already have a NEW console in the works, project scorpio which is meant to be a 4k gaming powerhouse, no point making the S much differnet from the one

The way things are at the moment, and the fact that despite consoles such as the Xbox Original being capable of 1080i gaming right back in 2001, only a few games can run stable at 1080p 60fps (or indeed 30fps) on a "next gen"  console-it along with the Neo would be able to display images and video at 4K, but not games.

[ShadowCaptain]

Just now, Dabombinable said:

The way things are at the moment, and the fact that despite consoles such as the Xbox Original being capable of 1080i gaming right back in 2001, only a few games can run stable at 1080p 60fps (or indeed 30fps) on a "next gen"  console-it along with the Neo would be able to display images and video at 4K, but not games.

Well apparently the NEO/Scorpio  are going to be about 2.5x more powerful, so its possible they will run 4k natively

microsoft certainly seem keen to claim 6TFlops of compute power to run 4k and VR etc

 

So obviously they are saving the performance upgrades for something more "next gen"

 

(not saying either console will, just saying how microsoft/sony are playing it)

[Dabombinable]

7 minutes ago, ShadowCaptain said:

Well apparently the NEO/Scorpio  are going to be about 2.5x more powerful, so its possible they will run 4k natively

microsoft certainly seem keen to claim 6TFlops of compute power to run 4k and VR etc

 

So obviously they are saving the performance upgrades for something more "next gen"

 

(not saying either console will, just saying how microsoft/sony are playing it)

The problem I see with their claims, is that it still costs too damn much for a GPU that can actually meet their targets.

[Vode]

14 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

The way things are at the moment, and the fact that despite consoles such as the Xbox Original being capable of 1080i gaming right back in 2001, only a few games can run stable at 1080p 60fps (or indeed 30fps) on a "next gen"  console-it along with the Neo would be able to display images and video at 4K, but not games.

Oroginal Xbox and 1080i?

 

More like 480p. lol

[ShadowCaptain]

3 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

The problem I see with their claims, is that it still costs too damn much for a GPU that can actually meet their targets.

But they sell these things at a loss, plus they dont need the mark ups pure graphics cards have on them since the parts will be bought at close to cost, and they might even sell the console at a loss to make money on games

EG a 1080 might cost $600, but if you were buying the parts as an OEM they might cost $300, or you make a $100 loss and now its $200 or something

(ok random example but yeah)

If microsoft went to AMD and were like, we want 5 million RX 490s for $200 each, they could probably get them

[Dabombinable]

22 minutes ago, Vode said:

Oroginal Xbox and 1080i?

 

More like 480p. lol

Some games did run at 1080i:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_games_with_alternate_display_modes

 

I just need a composite cable+composite to HDMI adapter as I actually have some of them.

23 minutes ago, ShadowCaptain said:

But they sell these things at a loss, plus they dont need the mark ups pure graphics cards have on them since the parts will be bought at close to cost, and they might even sell the console at a loss to make money on games

EG a 1080 might cost $600, but if you were buying the parts as an OEM they might cost $300, or you make a $100 loss and now its $200 or something

(ok random example but yeah)

If microsoft went to AMD and were like, we want 5 million RX 490s for $200 each, they could probably get them

Correction-they sold the previous consoles at a loss-they actually make a profit directly from the consoles with the "next gen" models.

[ShadowCaptain]

1 minute ago, Dabombinable said:

Some games did run at 1080i:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_games_with_alternate_display_modes

 

I just need a composite cable+composite to HDMI adapter as I actually have some of them.

Correction-they sold the previous consoles at a loss-they actually make a profit directly from the consoles with the "next gen" models.

I know that

 

but nothing is stopping them doing it again now they have a bit of money

 

if they dont, they will be left behind

[patrick3027]

 

 

Pretty interesting vid if you want to see the guts of the machine. 

[zMeul]

2 hours ago, Dresta said:

1st gen GCN

GCN 1.1 is actually 2nd gen; GCN 1.0 was the 1st

 

and @AluminiumTech doesn't know what he's talking about

the new S uses a direct die shrink that already does cut power draw; MS could've just as easily increased the GPU CUs

the problem with his logic of changing the GCN revision would've been even more problematic as developers would've required two distinct code paths - as is now, they code for a singe unit

[Dresta]

4 minutes ago, zMeul said:

GCN 1.1 is actually 2nd gen; GCN 1.0 was the 1st

 

2 hours ago, Dresta said:

Oh,i misread it,derp LOL

 

Still,they need to get there shit straight or else people are gonna start creating $350-500 console killers in mini itx/micro atx format size's,HTPC Builds or DIY it to the wall,budget components are getting cheaper but better with offering more performance (GTX 1060,RX 480,RX 470)

 

[Prysin]

@AluminiumTech

Great news, the overclocked chip is faster then the stock chip. Who would have thought that!!!!!

[Agosto]

Faster by a WHOPPING 7%!!!1!!!1!!!!!111!111!

[Doobeedoo]

Pretty much a refresh in better form factor.

[Vode]

6 hours ago, ShadowCaptain said:

Well apparently the NEO/Scorpio  are going to be about 2.5x more powerful, so its possible they will run 4k natively

microsoft certainly seem keen to claim 6TFlops of compute power to run 4k and VR etc

 

So obviously they are saving the performance upgrades for something more "next gen"

 

(not saying either console will, just saying how microsoft/sony are playing it)

6TFLOPS is not nearly enough to run current AAA titles on 4K 60Hz or even 1800p.

 

The Scorpio is most likely going to be a 1440p 60Hz  / 1800p 30Hz console with HDR as a major selling point.

[Exotath]

Hey look! My turtle is faster than your snail!

[ShadowCaptain]

15 minutes ago, Vode said:

6TFLOPS is not nearly enough to run current AAA titles on 4K 60Hz or even 1800p.

 

The Scorpio is most likely going to be a 1440p 60Hz  / 1800p 30Hz console with HDR as a major selling point.

 

I didnt say it will or not run 4k

 

I said, that is the picture microsoft are painting and the line they are selling, so they would not be putting more power into the xbox one S when they want to sell you the next console