9XXm or wait for 10XXm laptops

[Pandomime]

Just trying to get some opinions. A lot of laptops with gtx 970m's are on sale right now. Would it be worth grabbing one at a good price,  or waiting for a gtx1070m or equivalent. It wont be my main machine, I have a desktop, I just need something for slow days at work and travel. 

[Pcinacan]

Well if you can wait I would get a 10xx

[GreezyJeezy]

wait for AMD and its laptop based GPU's 

[kameshss]

1 minute ago, Pcinacan said:

Well if you can wait I would get a 10xx

^^ yeah

[manikyath]

i heard something about nvidia planning on moving away from their M lineup.

 

which honestly.. it kinda makes sense. in the low end intel integrated is rapidly catching up, and in the high end the desktop chips wouldnt do too bad (downclocked/volted a bit maybe?) in a laptop.

[Pandomime]

Damn that was quick, thanks for the reply's, something to think about...

[Omon_Ra]

What are you going to be doing with the laptop? Since it's not your main rig, I'd assume your 'serious' gaming will be on that. What is the most graphically intensive game/work load you plan on doing? Is budget or performance more important to you? Do you need it now, or can you wait a few months? I personally would just get as cheap of a laptop as you can with the best battery life since it's not your primary computer. I would think a 1070'm' (if they even do a mobile version of their desktop GPU's) would have better power consumption than a 970m; so it may well be worth it to wait for the 10xx laptops. But it really comes down to if you need it now and what you want to do with it.

[Pandomime]

Basically I want no less than a 970m in performance and to spend no more than $1,300. I can get the 970m right now for that price. I just don't want to wait for the 970m equivalent, be it AMD or Nvidia, and they get priced at more than $1,300.

 

[roughavoc]

Might find this somewhat useful, for dates and such

[alexjt11]

there are no 1080m this generation. They are putting cut down 1080 desktop GPU's in the laptops. As this is the first year they have done this, its impossible to tell when they will come out.

[Enderman]

there will be no m

 

there will only be 1080 or 1070 in laptops

[manikyath]

2 minutes ago, Enderman said:

there will be no m

 

there will only be 1080 or 1070 in laptops

and 1060, 1050, and perhaps lower as well. 

 

however i doubt they'll be putting a 1080ti/titan class card anywhere near a laptop

[don_svetlio]

4 minutes ago, Enderman said:

there will be no m

 

there will only be 1080 or 1070 in laptops

Wrong. The 1080 and 1070 are too power hungry for laptops. There most definitely will be M chips but due to the higher power draw will probably be less impressive than the Polaris skews which were designed for laptops

 

2 minutes ago, manikyath said:

and 1060, 1050, and perhaps lower as well. 

 

however i doubt they'll be putting a 1080ti/titan class card anywhere near a laptop

1060 full is still a stretch for such a budget due to power draw. Maxwell was pushing it in laptops and Pascal uses more power

[manikyath]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

Wrong. The 1080 and 1070 are too power hungry for laptops. There most definitely will be M chips but due to the higher power draw will probably be less impressive than the Polaris skews which were designed for laptops

 

1060 full is still a stretch for such a budget due to power draw. Maxwell was pushing it in laptops and Pascal uses more power

by how much are we talking here? i mean, if a 1080 does just fine off a single 8-pin i doubt it can be that much more than a 980.

 

also, not talking TDP here, talking power draw from the "wall" whatever that wall may be.

[Enderman]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

Wrong. The 1080 and 1070 are too power hungry for laptops. There most definitely will be M chips but due to the higher power draw will probably be less impressive than the Polaris skews which were designed for laptops

there already are several laptops with a desktop 980

and thats more power hungry than a 1070 and 1080

 

they have already confirmed there will be no m version of the 1070 and 1080

we know this 100%

 

what we dont know is how low they will be clocked to reduce power consumption

obviously it wont perform the same as the desktop cards, but a 1070m and 1080m will not exist

[don_svetlio]

7 minutes ago, manikyath said:

by how much are we talking here? i mean, if a 1080 does just fine off a single 8-pin i doubt it can be that much more than a 980.

 

also, not talking TDP here, talking power draw from the "wall" whatever that wall may be.

The reviews show 1080s drawing 15-30W more than 980s.

7 minutes ago, Enderman said:

there already are several laptops with a desktop 980

and thats more power hungry than a 1070 and 1080

 

they have already confirmed there will be no m version of the 1070 and 1080

we know this 100%

 

what we dont know is how low they will be clocked to reduce power consumption

obviously it wont perform the same as the desktop cards, but a 1070m and 1080m will not exist

Those laptops had power-starved 980s running off of 125W. Most 1080s draw 190W at stock. Can I also have a link to a source saying M cards are not coming? I somehow don't trust that.

[manikyath]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

The reviews show 1080s drawing 15-30W more than 980s.

Those laptops had power-starved 980s running off of 125W. Most 1080s draw 190W at stock. Can I also have a link to a source saying M cards are not coming? I somehow don't trust that.

i dont think there's official wording on it, but i heard a rumor somewhere nvidia wasnt gonna do mobile "chips".

which could also mean that a 1080m could very much come, but it would just be a downvolted desktop chip.

[Pandomime]

Thanks for the comments, I think I actually should wait, I had completely forgotten about polaris coming so soon. I'm interested in seeing how AMD will fair with the new architecture.

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, manikyath said:

i dont think there's official wording on it, but i heard a rumor somewhere nvidia wasnt gonna do mobile "chips".

which could also mean that a 1080m could very much come, but it would just be a downvolted desktop chip.

Rumours? Just as I expected - it's financially illogical for there to be no M chips. M chips are the cut-down desktop cards that did not meet the requirements for the full chips that are being sold. It makes 0 financial sense to not have those.

[Enderman]

3 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

The reviews show 1080s drawing 15-30W more than 980s.

Those laptops had power-starved 980s running off of 125W. Most 1080s draw 190W at stock. Can I also have a link to a source saying M cards are not coming? I somehow don't trust that.

http://videocardz.com/60853/nvidia-to-offer-desktop-graphics-in-notebooks

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/163215/20160606/nvidia-to-bring-desktop-class-geforce-gtx-1080-1070-to-laptops.htm

and yes they will definitely be downloaded versions to reduce TDP, so it will perform worse than desktop 1070s and 1080s

but its still the same GPU core, and thats why they arent calling it an 'm'

[don_svetlio]

2 minutes ago, Enderman said:

http://videocardz.com/60853/nvidia-to-offer-desktop-graphics-in-notebooks

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/163215/20160606/nvidia-to-bring-desktop-class-geforce-gtx-1080-1070-to-laptops.htm

and yes they will definitely be downloaded versions to reduce TDP, so it will perform worse than desktop 1070s and 1080s

but its still the same GPU core, and thats why they arent calling it an 'm'

The articles say they expect 1080s in laptops, not to not have mobile chips. There's a difference

[Pandomime]

I think what he means is that Nvidia as said they are moving away from the "m" naming scheme. so for example, even though the 1070 in a laptop will be a cut-down version of the desktop 1070, it will be called a 1070, not  a 1070m.

[manikyath]

Just now, don_svetlio said:

Rumours? Just as I expected - it's financially illogical for there to be no M chips. M chips are the cut-down desktop cards that did not meet the requirements for the full chips that are being sold. It makes 0 financial sense to not have those.

well, as mentioned before, with the rate intel integrated is going up in performance the below 50m chips dont really make sense anymore.

 

my bet would be they dont make "m" silicon anymore, but just downvolt the desktop parts for in a laptop.

should mention in the past the m chips have also been very deeply tied into intel integrated graphics, maybe they meant they're just gonna stop doing that.

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and *yes* i defenately wouldnt put a desktop die straight into a laptop, you dont need to be an engineer to know that's a horrible idea

[Enderman]

2 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

The articles say they expect 1080s in laptops, not to not have mobile chips. There's a difference

yeah, thats what i mean, its the full desktop GPU, not a "1080m" or "1070m" or whatever

 

the m beside the 970m and 980m and 960m means its a different GPU core with reduced core count, reduced frequency, reduces ROPs, and all that other stuff

completely different from a real 970 980 or 960