why x79 still so expensive?

[Tadziunia]

Just looked at prices. I7 3930k cost like 134$~ in ebay, and i7 3960x cost as low as 192$~ in ebay. We all know that those cpu's still very very powerful. Them would be overkill cpu's for cheap used gaming build. Everything would be awesome, but motherboards for them cost as low as 220$.... Why?? why they still so expensive...

[Hackentosher]

2 minutes ago, Tadziunia said:

Just looked at prices. I7 3930k cost like 134$~ in ebay, and i7 3960x cost as low as 192$~ in ebay. We all know that those cpu's still very very powerful. Them would be overkill cpu's for cheap used gaming build. Everything would be awesome, but motherboards for them cost as low as 220$.... Why?? why they still so expensive...

Because the chips are so powerful and were so expensive, the people that wanted future proof systems got that knowing they would hang on to it for awhile, so there's not too many people upgrading to x99 and selling their old stuff.

[Bananasplit_00]

because there rarer and there for still relevant CPUs

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They were high end to begin with, and even though they are now old, it's popular enough that the fact they are no longer in production keeps them valuable.  Just look at prices for original DDR  (actually I should probably stop using that example but for the longest time if you could find it, it was as much or more than DDR3 .  Just look at this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2GB-2X1GB-DDR-MEMORY-RAM-PC2700-NON-ECC-DIMM-184-PIN-/350429241984?hash=item519735e280:g:hmkAAOSwezVW0cT4)

[Mark77]

Well those CPU's do compete with 4/8 core SandyBridge/IvyBridge parts.  And the motherboards are in demand by LGA2011 users.

 

Usually the lowest end CPU in the overall 'family' drops the most in price first.  Give it a couple more years, and you'll probably be able to buy 4/8 core LGA2011 processors for $20-$30 a piece.  Only problem will be, the boards will still be $200+.

[Enderman]

discontinued = prices go up

[Hackentosher]

8 minutes ago, Enderman said:

discontinued = prices go up

Interesting, you would think it would follow a similar trend like x79 CPUs and graphics cards. A gtx 780 is still cheaper than what it retailed and is still a competitive card. 

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1 minute ago, Hackentosher said:

Interesting, you would think it would follow a similar trend like x79 CPUs and graphics cards. A gtx 780 is still cheaper than what it retailed and is still a competitive card. 

It is weird - most things just get cheap because they're old and/or used, but some stuff goes up in value due to rarity

[Enderman]

1 minute ago, Hackentosher said:

Interesting, you would think it would follow a similar trend like x79 CPUs and graphics cards. A gtx 780 is still cheaper than what it retailed and is still a competitive card. 

its all about supply and demand

if there is less of it, the prices will go up

but if not many people are looking for it, prices go down

[Hackentosher]

1 minute ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

It is weird - most things just get cheap because they're old and/or used, but some stuff goes up in value due to rarity

Why do you think that is? Perhaps because x79 is still relevant from a power standpoint, people aren't getting rid of their x79 setups in favor of a more powerful x99 setup?

[Hackentosher]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

its all about supply and demand

if there is less of it, the prices will go up

but if not many people are looking for it, prices go down

Right, but look at x79 CPUs, those are certainly cheap as the OP stated. A CPU is pretty useless unless you have a board for it, unless you want a rather expensive paper weight.

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2 minutes ago, Hackentosher said:

Why do you think that is? Perhaps because x79 is still relevant from a power standpoint, people aren't getting rid of their x79 setups in favor of a more powerful x99 setup?

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4 minutes ago, Enderman said:

its all about supply and demand

if there is less of it, the prices will go up

but if not many people are looking for it, prices go down

 

Now why motherboards seem to follow different trends of demand than GPUs I'm not 100% sure, but it's probably due to not being upgraded nearly as often

[Enderman]

1 minute ago, Hackentosher said:

Right, but look at x79 CPUs, those are certainly cheap as the OP stated. A CPU is pretty useless unless you have a board for it, unless you want a rather expensive paper weight.

motherboards fail far more often than CPUs do

 

also I'm pretty sure more CPUs are made than motherboards

so its likely stores had high CPU stock when they got discontinued

[Hackentosher]

4 minutes ago, Enderman said:

motherboards fail far more often than CPUs do

Ah that makes sense.

[Mark77]

5 hours ago, Enderman said:

motherboards fail far more often than CPUs do

 

also I'm pretty sure more CPUs are made than motherboards

so its likely stores had high CPU stock when they got discontinued

 

Pretty sure the number of CPU's made roughly matches that of motherboards.  However, motherboards fail, and when the pool of working motherboards shrinks, people tend to gravitate to using the "best" chips available on the supply of motherboards remaining. 

 

Hence, entry-level chips are a dime a dozen, but its not really economic to use a cheap chip compared to selling the motherboard and buying a more modern platform.

[-rascal-]

1 hour ago, Mark77 said:

 

Pretty sure the number of CPU's made roughly matches that of motherboards.  However, motherboards fail, and when the pool of working motherboards shrinks, people tend to gravitate to using the "best" chips available on the supply of motherboards remaining. 

 

Hence, entry-level chips are a dime a dozen, but its not really economic to use a cheap chip compared to selling the motherboard and buying a more modern platform.

Exactly.

 

If I were to make a system on the X79 platform, you better believe I want a reliable board.

If there was a mid-range ASUS X79 board, or an ASUS ROG X79 board...I would go for the ROG.

My two cents.

 

CPUs tends to out-live motherboards.

My freakin' Socket A Athlon XP 1700+ CPU from like 2003 still works, and my original Gigabyte GA-Z7XE is looong dead.

[Mark77]

6 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

Exactly.

 

If I were to make a system on the X79 platform, you better believe I want a reliable board.

If there was a mid-range ASUS X79 board, or an ASUS ROG X79 board...I would go for the ROG.

My two cents.

 

CPUs tends to out-live motherboards.

My freakin' Socket A Athlon XP 1700+ CPU from like 2003 still works, and my original Gigabyte GA-Z7XE is looong dead.

 

Yeah that too.  Good point.   Lots of boards turn out to be duds (ie: most first-gen Asus Sandybridge boards had non-working PCI slots on account of Asus' design decision to use the ASM1083 PCIE to PCI bridge), but CPU's almost never fail unless flagrantly abused or mechanically/(static) electrically damaged.

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10 minutes ago, Mark77 said:

 

Yeah that too.  Good point.   Lots of boards turn out to be duds (ie: most first-gen Asus Sandybridge boards had non-working PCI slots), but CPU's almost never fail unless flagrantly abused or mechanically/(static) electrically damaged.

Not to much the PCI slots.

 

The P67 and H67 chipset based motherboards (from ALL manufacturers) had defective SATA ports that would degrade overtime. It would also affect the life of the SATA device that was connected to it (e.g. SSD). Intel issued a recall on this problem back in early 2011. All the updated boards had the "B3" revision indicator.

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4142/intel-discovers-bug-in-6series-chipset-begins-recall

http://blogs.intel.com/technology/2011/01/chipset_design_flaw/

 

IMO, buying a used LGA 1155 board is sketchy; you may not know if you will get a " revision B3" board, or one that didn't get the fix.

Quite a bit of people didn't want to go through the hassle, and have their motherboard RMA'ed for the recall......I don't know why...

[Mark77]

The non-B3 boards were almost entirely removed from the supply chains, and replaced with B3 spec boards.  The problem was caught in the first weeks of Sandy Bridge's sale, so not many machines were actually sold.  Not a big deal.  Intel, Asus, and everyone else involved had a comprehensive replacement program available.  Laptop vendors re-worked their products by disabling the SATA3 ports and using the non-defective SATA2 ports until new spec parts fully permeated the supply chains (Intel cut them a big discount apparently!!).

 

I ran into the defective PCI slot issue on the P67/H67 Asus boards and the solution ultimately was to replace the boards on the machines in which PCI capability was needed (with something that didn't use the ASM1083 chipset).  Asus didn't take the boards back.  The boards, minus CPU's, are likely sitting in boxes in some corner, unused, and never to be seen again.