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AMD, with Polaris, is gambling big on VR

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53 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

And mainstream is not necessarily cheap. For them everything below the mentioned cards is mainstream, and there is where for instance 380X lies.

no it does not

R9 380X is in the performance bracket, not mainstream

 

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Do you have more negative AMD threads? kappa

I like AMD is trying at least i just hope they can deliver. Polaris 10 ~ 980 or 980ti at 300$ is huge, if they can take that gamble and make low profit on polaris 10 just to expande their market share i hope that helps their strategy in the long run, and more investors maybe.

 

Anyway the biggest problem with VR is marketing, unless you tried VR somwhere else i cant know the experience, they say its awesome but i still dont believe it, how will VR help me if i hate the games? 99% of the game nowdays are trash,imbalanced, pay2win, microtransactions and so on... We need some really attractive titles that dont fuck with users, VR at 30fps lock just fuck off.

Also the big problem with VR are controls, how do i control anything if i cant see my mouse/keyb/controller, also it might be uncomfortable to wear VR for more than 1 hour for instance so its not just GPU's and FPS.

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6 hours ago, DarkBlade2117 said:

Or just find a used GTX 970 for $250 or 290/x for $200-$225.

 

 

and get a fire hazard at 80*C in any UE/dx12/vulkan game ?

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29 minutes ago, zMeul said:

no it does not

R9 380X is in the performance bracket, not mainstream

Right, 270 and my 280 are performance cards. Yeah, no. I guess it all depends on what Polaris cards are gonna be put in mainstream.

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2 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

Right, 270 and my 280 are performance cards. Yeah, no.

did you even bothered to look at the AMD's own slides?!

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11 minutes ago, zMeul said:

did you even bothered to look at the AMD's own slides?!

Yeah, I wrote that after looking at them, and I stand behind that they are pure bs in my opinion. Anyhow, I remembered how R9 270 series was renamed R7 370, so "performance" tier dropped 1 lane into mainstream on their own roadmap, if they did the same this year, or at least they might think of 480 as mainstream now, with new cards like Fury and Vega (or however that one will be called). Who knows.

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23 minutes ago, dimitriianghelov said:

 

and get a fire hazard at 80*C in any UE/dx12/vulkan game ?

What....

 

 

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2 hours ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

So much for Polaris 10 being anything close to the 980 Ti. xD

 

Straight out of AMD Roy's mouth, this is a mainstream card targeting VR specs with a price cut to try to expand the VR userbase.

You've misunderstood AMD's message, which is that, say, the performance of a 980 Ti (as a hypothetical example) will be made mainstream. Mainstream here doesn't mean low performance, it means easy mass-entry for the public due to a relatively-lowered price point.

 

A card released tomorrow could have 5x the performance of a 980 Ti and be mainstream, if it were cheap enough, because mainstream here just means mass-accessible. AMD's goal is to make high-performance mainstream, via low price-point. If this happens, there will surely quickly become a new standard for enthusiast - which is already needed for 2k / 4k / 21:9 gaming, anyway.

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22 minutes ago, DarkBlade2117 said:

Get your facts straight and so using fucking stupid ass jokes that have already been fixed for awhile now. No better than the damn BBQ jokes about Fermi

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23 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

Who knows.

here's something else: AMD marketed the R9 380 as a 1440p card

don't believe me? 

Spoiler

AMD18.jpg

 

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17 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

You've misunderstood AMD's message, which is that, say, the performance of a 980 Ti (as a hypothetical example) will be made mainstream. Mainstream here doesn't mean low performance, it means easy mass-entry for the public due to a relatively-lowered price point.

 

A card released tomorrow could have 5x the performance of a 980 Ti and be mainstream, if it were cheap enough, because mainstream here just means mass-accessible. AMD's goal is to make high-performance mainstream, via low price-point. If this happens, there will surely quickly become a new standard for enthusiast - which is already needed for 2k / 4k / 21:9 gaming, anyway.

Their message is they're going to make the VR spec mainstream, which is 970 level performance. I don't know where you're getting the hypothetical example of the 980 Ti, they said VR spec is their target.

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10 minutes ago, zMeul said:

here's something else: AMD marketed the R9 380 as a 1440p card

don't believe me? 

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AMD18.jpg

 

xD

 

Almost as bad as Fury X as an overclocker's dream.

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31 minutes ago, DarkBlade2117 said:

What....

Spoiler

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idd rather pay 300$  on a 14nm card that isn't a toaster

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5 hours ago, CTR640 said:

Fuck VR, I want a next-gen GPU that can do GTAV at 2160p60 with all settings on Ultra!

GTX980ti. If you want that don't expect it from Pascal or Polaris look at Vega or Volta as all cards 970 tier and up will have HBM and flagship will have HBM2 maybe gen 2.0 so more dense or smaller or something new. 

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7 minutes ago, dimitriianghelov said:
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idd rather pay 300$  on a 14nm card that isn't a toaster

That is ref blower style they suck on both sides

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19 minutes ago, zMeul said:

here's something else: AMD marketed the R9 380 as a 1440p card

don't believe me? 

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Well AMD's not really wrong. You can competently game on a 380 or a 960 at 2560x1440, just not at ultra settings or even high in many cases.

Check out my guide on how to scan cover art here!

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Why do people hate VR so much? Have you even tried a rift or vive? If a card can run VR at the specs needed then it can runs games just as fine. Also AMD and Nvidia need to really work on drivers. AMD has gotten better but can do better and Nvidia has just fallen off the cliff. Both need to make drivers that aren't just thrown together. Ones that use Vulkan and DX12 to the fullest the games have to offer.

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55 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Well AMD's not really wrong. You can competently game on a 380 or a 960 at 2560x1440, just not at ultra settings or even high in many cases.

I didn't said they're wrong

I'm just adding point by point that Polaris 10 will be in the perf range of a R9 380X

 

Polaris 10 was shown to be running the new Hitman game at 1440p

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Just now, zMeul said:

I didn't said they're wrong

I'm just addin point by point that Polaris 10 will be in the perf range of a R9 380X

 

Polaris 10 was shown to be running the new Hitman game at 1440p

380X performance in a small ass power bracket is definitely not something to sneeze about.

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1 hour ago, SamStrecker said:

GTX980ti. If you want that don't expect it from Pascal or Polaris look at Vega or Volta as all cards 970 tier and up will have HBM and flagship will have HBM2 maybe gen 2.0 so more dense or smaller or something new. 

For now it's not worth to get the 980Ti considering I already own a 780.

I'll be indeed looking for Vega or Vota.

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Hopefully they make something out of it, specially these days.

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2 hours ago, dimitriianghelov said:
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idd rather pay 300$  on a 14nm card that isn't a toaster

That's why you get Aftermarket coolers. That story is true for both the Red and Green side. I avoided the Reference R9 290 like the plague when looking for one.

 

 

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4 hours ago, zMeul said:

I didn't said they're wrong

I'm just adding point by point that Polaris 10 will be in the perf range of a R9 380X

 

Polaris 10 was shown to be running the new Hitman game at 1440p

A 380x isn't close to the recommended spec for Occulus or Vive. R9 290 is the bare minimum. There is no way Polaris 10 is going to be as shitty as the 380x.

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10 hours ago, zMeul said:

 

one: you misunderstood my points entirely

 

two: Roy Taylor hinted at a cheap product and not of a price/performance product in the same category as R9 290X or GTX970

let's recap on what he said:

if you expect Polaris 10 to be on the same performance as GTX970 or R9 290X for 300$ or under .. oh boy you're gonna be disappointed 

I have a question. A double node shrink, and a new architecture, and you're saying they won't be able to do what they are already doing. Why?

 

And I think you mean 290/390 because that's the card on par with the 970 and competing with it on price.

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