Games Kids Should Not be Allowed to Play?

[Godlygamer23]

On 4/6/2016 at 1:12 PM, Ryan_Vickers said:

Everything fox says is a lie.  Even true things, once said by fox, become lies.

They just said "we lie." Now what?

Edited April 8, 2016 by Godlygamer23

[Kalebtheking12]

1 minute ago, Praesi said:

I see many kids and teens here think they know anything about anything. Let me tell you something and dont take it personal. You know nothing. You are not wise or mature nore can you judge whats good or bad for you. Thast is what your parents are for. And i see many parents here are failing on that. The state should punish them for bring their kids in danger like that.

Haha, is that not what i was getting at? I understand that i am a teen and i try not to be full of pride.

[LieutenantLime]

I didn't like being told what I could and could not play, but I do enjoy being level headed enough to know that this life isn't about makin' that money, rekking that guy or gettin that woman. I play CS:GO and die a little inside at the narrow perception of the human experience from a lot of younger folk. 

 

And to address age, being young doesn't mean you're stupid or your opinion is insignificant. Being older, having gone through more hardship and learning, and disciplining yourself all contribute to general intelligence, however. I still don't play very many M rated games, because a lot of them lack depth and any artistic, constructive commentary.

 

I'm 17 if you're curious

[Kalebtheking12]

Well I don't want to argue with you fine gents. We are all nerds right? Look at us! We are debating the age for video games on LinusTechTips. Lets agree to disagree. We are all nerds here.

[DebatED Nothing]

What I find cringe worthy is people who are still technically children (myself included, which is why I've refrained from giving much of an opinion in this thread) acting as though they're fonts of knowledge on how people their own age should be treated. Being able to accept that while it may seem unfair to you now, there is a wider context to the decisions being made by adults is an important thing to be able to do. If you don't recognise that you're not in a position to make certain decisions at such a young age then I can only conclude that you're very self unaware.

[SImoHayha]

Of course it's bloody Foxnews. I bet they would shoot someone on purpose in order to get a news story.

[Guest]

mario kart 8... damn there's some bad stuff on there...

[othertomperson]

On 04/04/2016 at 5:01 PM, Marcus Torre DeProspero said:

 

Games Kids Should Not be Allowed to Play?

Spin the bottle, strip poker, russian roulette...

[DebatED Nothing]

9 minutes ago, Ramamataz said:

Of course it's bloody Foxnews. I bet they would shoot someone on purpose in order to get a news story.

This isn't a controversial piece of writing. It's like publishing a news article saying "10 medicines you shouldn't give to kids" then listing medicines that say on the box to not give them to people under 12 or whatever.

[Lewellyn]

12 minutes ago, Kalebtheking12 said:

It's funny you call me arrogant as if it is a bad thing. Is not arrogance a branch of pride? And you seem to think pride is not a sin.

Pride and arrogance are not synonyms. Arrogance is an exaggerated self-importance or ability. Having pride in your feats and accomplishments is not inherently wrong.

 

I'm not a christian though, and the seven sins type of thing is a joke to me. Categorizing a large amount of human emotions as sins seems like an easy way of being able to control thought and actions.

 

30 minutes ago, Kalebtheking12 said:

The prideful will tell the world that they are smart, the bible calls those people fools. The humble will never tell you that they are smart. Yes, lots of adult have unsound judgement, I agree, but why is that? Pride. They will not admit that their ways are wrong. 

 

I am a 14 year old freshman. I understand that i need to listen to adults because they know best. It is a humble and biblical approach. 

You created a self-defeating argument that loops onto itself. Not only can you never have someone who can explain that their expertise is higher than yours (such as an academic researcher), there is also the issue that you admit that adults have pride, yet you trust them without question.

 

There are many different adults with many different views, so how do you pick the ones to follow? You pick christian conservative adults to follow because that fits with your already established view. And are christian conservatives not overly-prideful (arrogant) in how their worldview is correct and more moral? I'd argue there are many examples demonstrating they have outrageous pride in their positions.

 

I don't think there is anything 'humble' about an ageist hierarchy.

[Lewellyn]

5 minutes ago, DebatED Nothing said:

This isn't a controversial piece of writing. It's like publishing a news article saying "10 medicines you shouldn't give to kids" then listing medicines that say on the box to not give them to people under 12 or whatever.

No, not the same. The age ratings from the ESRB are there for the convenience of the parent to decide, they aren't "this will cause your child to become a murderer" warnings.

[DebatED Nothing]

2 minutes ago, ThatGuyWhoTwirlsHisPen said:

No, not the same. The age ratings from the ESRB are there for the convenience of the parent to decide, they aren't "this will cause your child to become a murderer" warnings.

I'm not saying they are. The labels on medicines are advice as well. It's not the case that all people under 12 will be adversely affected by paracetamol, it's down to body weight mostly, so the parent can still have judgement there. If you have a very small child even if they're 15 it might still not be a great idea to give them a full dose. Just with ERSB ratings, they're guidelines saying that "we think most children this age and older will be fine with this product" but ultimately the parent can decide (more so in the case of the games obviously).

[xentropa]

Violence isn't as important or influential as the context it is depicted in.

 

[handymanshandle]

1 hour ago, Kalebtheking12 said:

Actually with age comes wisdom. The reason kids think they are smart is because they are prideful. Pride comes before fall. Youth have a problem with authority and will never say they were wrong. People with age have experience and wisdom.

 

Don't be prideful

I disagree, because not everyone who is old is wise. While they might have input or suggestions for younger people going through something that older person might've gone through themselves. It's doesn't necessarily grant them any special privileges.  

1 hour ago, Praesi said:

I see many kids and teens here think they know anything about anything. Let me tell you something and dont take it personal. You know nothing. You are not wise or mature nore can you judge whats good or bad for you. Thast is what your parents are for. And i see many parents here are failing on that. The state should punish them for bring their kids in danger like that.

To an extent, I will admit a lot of times people my age do tend to over-estimate their knowledge (Hell, I might even do so myself). 

I think for the most part most teens generally know what might be best for them, of course it's not a bad idea for them to seek advice from their parents about decisions/choices. 
I do think that people my age should still be allowed to make most choices for themselves.

 

Edit: Actually, I think everyone to an extent might over-estimate their knowledge, more specifically to validate their judgments or opinions on something.

 

3 hours ago, RahulR said:

Downright ignoring me because I'm a kid. Perfect logic man. You know, people who say "Shh, the grown ups are talking" are fucking stupid. Age does not at all determine intelligence. I know some 50 year olds who can be dumber than a stone. I know some 7 year olds who are smarter than Einstein.

 

Please don't take that seriously, they were hyperboles.

Agreed

1 hour ago, Kalebtheking12 said:

Pride is the root of all sin. 

The prideful will tell the world that they are smart, the bible calls those people fools. The humble will never tell you that they are smart. Yes, lots of adult have unsound judgement, I agree, but why is that? Pride. They will not admit that their ways are wrong. 

 

I am a 14 year old freshman. I understand that i need to listen to adults because they know best. It is a humble and biblical approach. 

 

 

 

Aye a typical religious response,eh?

 

I'll just leave my rebuttal to your statements about Pride being sinful and whatnot to a simple statement. I'm an Agnostic Atheist, however the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a better god, if a god existed.

Not all adults know what's best.

How about an adult with developmental disabilities who is quite high functioning, however has the mentality of someone much younger?

 

There are adults who make teenagers look pretty smart, and there are adults who can make teenagers look pretty dumb.

You see it goes both ways.

 

So because I'm older than you by about 2 years (give or take), that makes me more mature and wise. Right? Not necessarily (while I'd like to think I'm pretty wise and mature for my age, I'm sure there's people around my age wiser and more mature than I am equally there are people around my age less mature and wise than myself.)

Maturity and Wisdom are very dependent on an individual level and not a chronological level, while chronology can be a factor it's not the whole story.

 

 

Also are we defining adults by the age that is legally defined an adult (18 years old)?

 

 

[vanished]

1 hour ago, Godlygamer23 said:

They just said "we lie." Now what?

haha well let's break this down logically:

• Suppose they were actually factual all the time
  • That would make this a lie, in line with what I said about everything they say being a lie, and would thus mean they don't lie, thus not breaking the streak of always being factual, so no problem there
• Suppose they actually lie all the time
  • That would make this a true statement, and even true things once said by fox become lies, so that would mean they are about to become super factual

So the conclusion is either there will be no change, or they are about to actually get super reputable.  Either isn't exactly "bad", but I'm putting my money on the former

[Praesi]

3 hours ago, RahulR said:

Downright ignoring me because I'm a kid. Perfect logic man.

Perfect example of what i meant.

I said i dont argue with you about something you dont understand. Not that i ignore you because you are a Kid. Two complete different things. Your are simply too young to understand it. And thats ok. Do yourself a favour and be a Kid. Go outside, play football, do Kids things. You will have to deal with the annoying adult world soon enough. 

[Kalebtheking12]

1 hour ago, ThatGuyWhoTwirlsHisPen said:

Pride and arrogance are not synonyms. Arrogance is an exaggerated self-importance or ability. Having pride in your feats and accomplishments is not inherently wrong.

 

I'm not a christian though, and the seven sins type of thing is a joke to me. Categorizing a large amount of human emotions as sins seems like an easy way of being able to control thought and actions.

 

You created a self-defeating argument that loops onto itself. Not only can you never have someone who can explain that their expertise is higher than yours (such as an academic researcher), there is also the issue that you admit that adults have pride, yet you trust them without question.

 

There are many different adults with many different views, so how do you pick the ones to follow? You pick christian conservative adults to follow because that fits with your already established view. And are christian conservatives not overly-prideful (arrogant) in how their worldview is correct and more moral? I'd argue there are many examples demonstrating they have outrageous pride in their positions.

 

I don't think there is anything 'humble' about an ageist hierarchy.

Your view is secular. I can see your ignorance when you mentioned the "7 sins". Christians don't believe in whatever those are. Next time you confront me on my stance, understand what your talking about.

 

Christians are not perfect people. Nor do we act like it (if you think we do, that person was not a true christian). We trust in what Christ did on the cross to forgive us of our sins. We don't stop sinning. We strive to stop sinning but the sin nature never stops. I trust adults who accept the true christian morals who are humble, forgiving, and kind.

[Lewellyn]

45 minutes ago, Kalebtheking12 said:

Your view is secular. I can see your ignorance when you mentioned the "7 sins". Christians don't believe in whatever those are. Next time you confront me on my stance, understand what your talking about.

I said "the seven sins type of thing" to refer to the general idea, and it is very much something that is part of some Christianity and christian tradition.

 

http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/what-are-seven-deadly-sins

[Vivilacqua1]

2 hours ago, othertomperson said:

Spin the bottle, strip poker, russian roulette...

Damn, there go my evening plans.

*to room* "alright, party's off guys"

[RahulR]

11 hours ago, Praesi said:

Perfect example of what i meant.

I said i dont argue with you about something you dont understand. Not that i ignore you because you are a Kid. Two complete different things. Your are simply too young to understand it. And thats ok. Do yourself a favour and be a Kid. Go outside, play football, do Kids things. You will have to deal with the annoying adult world soon enough. 

     You said "I don't argue with a Kid about something he cant understand". I'm assumed you capitalized "Kid" to put emphasis on it, that's why I thought you were ignoring me because of my age. Regardless, in the same sentence you said "something he can't understand". Why can't I understand it? Is it because I lack wisdom? If so, that goes back to the whole "50 years old and dumber than a stone" argument. If it's not wisdom then it is intelligence. All you have to learn is some high school class right?

 

     I'm not saying that I understand parenting. And I'm not saying all you need is wisdom and a high school class. I was saying that regardless of my age, I can understand parenting. I don't, but I can. All I asked for was a valid reason as to why this is "bad parenting", and a valid reason why I can't understand parenting. My point still stands, I'm not a murderer and I play violent games all the time. Do my parents know what I'm playing? Yes. Do they know that there are kids who have done outrageous things like drive a car at highway speed down a road? Yes. They let me play these games because they know I'm not stupid enough to do that in real life. They know that I know it's just a damn game.

 

     If all violent (I'm assuming you meant games that just aren't appropriate for kids either) video games need to be 18+, then I guess every movie with a fight scene, car chase, death, kissing, nudity, sex, etc. need to be 18+. No kids allowed. If it's porn, I can understand why parents don't want their kids watching it, but for fucks sake, just leave it be unless they're like 10. It's a natural thing at this age. It's not like you say "Oh, I'm 18 now. That means I'm finally somehow 'allowed' to watch porn." People my age have always found old Playboy magazines and brought it to their bedroom. You cant stop something that is natural. Going back to the 18+ movies, it all revolves around the whole "kids will do it in real life" thing. If a game with a fight scene is too violent, saying "kids will do it in real life", then I guess LinusTechTips videos need to be 18+ as well because "kids will do it in real life". "Oh no, this idiot bought a $1000 HDMI cable? Better hide my kids from that, they'll think that they need to pay $1000 for just a cable". No. Nobody's that dumb.

 

     Excuse the long reply.

[handymanshandle]

12 hours ago, Kalebtheking12 said:

Your view is secular. I can see your ignorance when you mentioned the "7 sins". Christians don't believe in whatever those are. Next time you confront me on my stance, understand what your talking about.

 

Christians are not perfect people. Nor do we act like it (if you think we do, that person was not a true christian). We trust in what Christ did on the cross to forgive us of our sins. We don't stop sinning. We strive to stop sinning but the sin nature never stops. I trust adults who accept the true christian morals who are humble, forgiving, and kind.

This is the only true god. ^^^^

 

Seriously though I respect your religious beliefs I however don't respect that you're trying to apply its rhetoric to an argument about what games are age appropriate for certain age groups.

 

 

[Clanscorpia]

Posts like these piss me off, so do most of the responses. Things like these are generalizations abouts kids. I'm 13, and with our ruined school system and television, people swear everywhere, talk about sexual things all the time, and no-one cares, but the moment it's in a game, sh*t goes down. Parents will let their kids watch R movies and not play T games? Ridiculous! Kids probably feel more obligated to do violent things from watching Fox themselves and seeing terrorists doing these things! For example, if you are a kid playing CS:GO (which a lot of my really great friends play), who is Islam plants the bomb, he's most likely going to just ignore it, but if he sees kids leaving the country and becoming terrorists in the name of Allah I feel he has a greater chance at becoming violent. 90% of kids are mature enough to know a game is a game. Kids already see the stuff in games everyday. So why the hate? I know "You don't understand everything as a kid" will be a common response. But as I have shown here and from the number of compliments I get for being extremely mature. I think I can make my own decisions

[DebatED Nothing]

Weird how every single person is "particularly mature for their age" when they describe themselves. Not possible at all that due to your immaturity you're not very capable of assessing your own maturity is it? Google the Dunning-Kruger effect, if you can't do something well, then you're also less able to make judgments at how good you are at doing that thing.

[RahulR]

16 minutes ago, DebatED Nothing said:

Weird how every single person is "particularly mature for their age" when they describe themselves. Not possible at all that due to your immaturity you're not very capable of assessing your own maturity is it? Google the Dunning-Kruger effect, if you can't do something well, then you're also less able to make judgments at how good you are at doing that thing.

So, if a person gets 50% on a math test and the rest of the class got >95% that means that he can't say he sucks at math? I don't know if you're referring to me, but if you did; I never said that "I'm mature." I said I'm mature enough to play these games. That's not really an opinion, that's just factual. A lot of kids (me included) are mature enough that they won't be influenced and kill somebody. 

[DebatED Nothing]

4 minutes ago, RahulR said:

So, if a person gets 50% on a math test and the rest of the class got >95% that means that he can't say he sucks at math? I don't know if you're referring to me, but if you did; I never said that "I'm mature." I said I'm mature enough to play these games. That's not really an opinion, that's just factual. A lot of kids (me included) are mature enough that they won't be influenced and kill somebody. 

The Dunning Kruger effect applies to self evaluation of skills, not evaluation through testing. You can see it everywhere. Do you think that terrible DOTA players would play as they do if they knew that what they were doing was bad? No, of course not, so if you don't really understand what being good at something means and entails it's very hard to determine whether you are good or not. "You don't know what you don't know" as they say.