Dirty move by Intel

[alexc026]

Just now, DannyRyu said:

" G3258 was released you could overclock on h87, h97, b85, z87, z97, but then Intel realized that they could release a microcode update to force people to get a z87/97 motherboard so they could get more money. "

Erm Intel doesn't make money off of mobos.

Yes they do because they make design and sell the chipsets to the motherboard vendors

[DannyRyu]

Just now, alexc026 said:

Yes they do because they make design and sell the chipsets to the motherboard vendors

Yes but they make money off the Chipsets not the mobos. once they sell their chipset for how ever many million dollars they've made their profit.

[alexc026]

1 minute ago, IanDrexP said:

I never heard them advertise Non-K overclocking as a "feature". I only heard from motherboard manufacturers that they found a way through the BIOS and etc that you can OC a Non-K CPU.

You could overclock locked skylake CPUs with baseclock before the bios update but you could only get 3-5mhz on the baseclock. With the bios update it gave you a lot more overclocking headroom. Intel advertised saying that you could adjust the baseclock on skylake CPUs.

[jasonc_01]

I'm not quite sure how its Intel's problem that you can't afford a K series processor, but feel wronged for them to close a loophole allowing non K series processors to be overclocked.  

 

The simple fact of the matter is non K series is locked and K series is unlocked, and from a warranty perspective everyone should have expected this. If someone stole your debit card would you change the pin?

 

Just my two cents.

 

-jason 

[PlayStation 2]

1 hour ago, ONOTech said:

I hate to play the Devil's advocate, but the CPUs were meant to be locked. You shouldn't be mad that it was patched up when it shouldn't have been there in the first place.

 

They've locked their CPUs since Sandy Bridge (excluding BLCK OC'ing). I fail to see how this is different. Did we really not anticipate this? Like, c'mon now...

 

Now, if you're angry at Intel screwing over people who bought locked motherboards and CPUs, that's completely different, and I agree with you. But you're mad at Intel for the sake of locking a feature? Nah fam

Thank you.

 

To OP: 

 

BCLK overclocking was never meant to be enabled in the first place. It's not being selfish. It's not money-gouging. It's doing what was intended.

[stconquest]

34 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Thank you.

 

To OP:

 

BCLK overclocking was never meant to be enabled in the first place. It's not being selfish. It's not money-gouging. It's doing what was intended.

I swear I am gonna shove that meme....

 

=)

 

If the intent is to create a arguably false market based on performance, yeah Intel is doing as they intend.  Making suckers out of some of you.

 

i5 6400 - $184:  http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i56400

 

i5 6500 - $199:  http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i56500

 

i5 6600 - $216:  http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i56600

 

i5 6600K - $245:  http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i56600k

 

See the jump in price (also cooler not included in the 6600K box)?  That is 100% pure marketing.  You guys defend bullshit performance hype.  Every one of those CPUs can be oc'd comparatively to the binning process.

 

They slap a label on the best performing chips and make idiots believe it is because K-Series CPUs are "special".

 

Well, duh!

[PlayStation 2]

Just now, stconquest said:

I swear I am gonna shove that meme....

 

=)

you know, it was an idea i had for a long while, just like Dan Castellaneta's Seal of Approval, except this one was partially late because of laziness.

[LiquidGoo]

Get the pitchforks.

[stconquest]

1 hour ago, ONOTech said:

Well, then buy AMD next time if you're fed up with Intel. Lol

You are mistaking me for someone that makes purchase decisions based on emotions, I am not.  As long as Intel CPUs offer me the best performance at my budget I will go their product.

 

That in no way means I have to ignore what they are doing.  I have a K-Series CPU.  I know why I have it.  I know why it exists.  Why should I go AMD because Intel is doing what most companies do, raise their profit margin?  AMD would do it too.  Remember the $1000 9590? 

[Dabombinable]

4 minutes ago, stconquest said:

You are mistaking me for someone that makes purchase decisions based on emotions, I am not.  As long as Intel CPUs offer me the best performance at my budget I will go their product.

 

That in no way means I have to ignore what they are doing.  I have a K-Series CPU.  I know why I have it.  I know why it exists.  Why should I go AMD because Intel is doing what most companies do, raise their profit margin.  AMD would do it too.  Remember the $1000 9590? 

TBH, that POS at that price was a dirty move against consumers-it also catches people unawares with its.....requirements.

[stconquest]

Just now, Dabombinable said:

TBH, that POS at that price was a dirty move against consumers-it also catches people unawares with its.....requirements.

I had a 1055t at the time of that launch.  I was hoping for something good at the FX 8XXX launch.  By the time the 9590 was launched, I was not expecting much... but I hoped.

[Nena Trinity]

I think this was a cruel thing of them to do!

[Dabombinable]

21 minutes ago, stconquest said:

I had a 1055t at the time of that launch.  I was hoping for something good at the FX 8XXX launch.  By the time the 9590 was launched, I was not expecting much... but I hoped.

Well at least you had one of AMD's last great CPU before they went downhill.

[Apache Protocol]

12 hours ago, alexc026 said:

Recently Intel has stated that they will release a microcode update to disable overclocking on non k skylake CPUs. I really think this is extremely stupid because paying an extra $50-75 dollars for an unlocked CPU is stupid. Intel should make their processors cheaper and should have more unlocked CPUs. Don't say that you won't just update your bios because that is not how a microcode update works. The microcode can be updated via a bios update or Windows will automatically download and install the microcode update as long as the update is digitally signed by Intel. Another example of Intel being dirty. When the pentium g3258 was released you could overclock on h87, h97, b85, z87, z97, but then Intel realized that they could release a microcode update to force people to get a z87/97 motherboard so they could get more money. What happened was Windows update would automatically install the update and if it detected you were using a chipset other than z87/97 it would automatically blue screen and you would have to disable the overclock to allow you to be able to use your computer. These are really dirty moves especially because when skylake was released Intel was bragging about how you could change the baseclock.

Source: 

 

check your information about g3258 in all chipset it can be overclock even on the h81, clear that some people want to get right information in this forum.

[Apache Protocol]

12 hours ago, DannyRyu said:

" G3258 was released you could overclock on h87, h97, b85, z87, z97, but then Intel realized that they could release a microcode update to force people to get a z87/97 motherboard so they could get more money. "

Erm Intel doesn't make money off of mobos.

i dont think this is not 100% true with the G3258 you can still over clock on non z chipset. currently using it with h81. check this info for other people.

[Glenwing]

12 hours ago, DannyRyu said:

Yes but they make money off the Chipsets not the mobos. once they sell their chipset for how ever many million dollars they've made their profit.

The more motherboards are sold, the more chipsets are sold.

[Suika]

I still love how I speculated this happening and refused to recommend the i3-6100, but hey, no tough feelings. So what if a few people got screwed out of performance because people considered me wrong, I'm still perfectly fine on my own.

[alexc026]

2 hours ago, apacheprotocol said:

i dont think this is not 100% true with the G3258 you can still over clock on non z chipset. currently using it with h81. check this info for other people.

According to the tek syndicate video I sited it said you could not overclock the g3258 on a non z chipset

[shawn finkenstead]

So when is the update coming to block B-clock overclocking on Xeon chips? There not meant to be Overclocked so with Intel's logic this should be the next step.

[ThomasD]

I have less problem with Intel locking down non k overclocking but there is no k version of the G3258.

 

Forcing current owners to now buy a Z board or give up overclocking is outright theft.

[Apache Protocol]

6 hours ago, ThomasD said:

I have less problem with Intel locking down non k overclocking but there is no k version of the G3258.

 

Forcing current owners to now buy a Z board or give up overclocking is outright theft.

MSI H81M-P33 can overclock your G3258 and even other MoBo Asus,Gigabytes, Asrock and MSI just visit there support and download you can OC a G3258 on H81 and B85 Chipset.

[KWelz]

One thing is obvious from this thread.   

Some people have no idea how business or supply and demand work.  

 

This is not a dirty move by Intel.  It is closing a loophole that some Motherboard vendors were exploiting.   

 

 

[Dabombinable]

29 minutes ago, apacheprotocol said:

MSI H81M-P33 can overclock your G3258 and even other MoBo Asus,Gigabytes, Asrock and MSI just visit there support and download you can OC a G3258 on H81 and B85 Chipset.

4.8GHz with an i7 4790K on an Asus H87M Pro motherboard, I'd have gone for a higher overclock if I'd had a better cooler-the FIVR means that any old motherboard VRM setup will do for overclocking-I've had 3 phase non cooled VRM handling a Xeon X5450 at 3.2GHz fully stable.

[alexc026]

11 hours ago, KWelz said:

One thing is obvious from this thread.   

Some people have no idea how business or supply and demand work.  

 

This is not a dirty move by Intel.  It is closing a loophole that some Motherboard vendors were exploiting.   

 

 

Motherboard vendors were not exploiting a loophole they were using a feature Intel created on skylake CPUs. This feature is baseclock overclocking. They released bios updates which allowed you to have more overclocking headroom

[TJCINC]

Ok so everyone has their own opinion on this topic that is clear,  but for the people that did buy into this is there any sure way to stop the microcode update?  I have win 10 home so no gp edit.