Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet

[TheMcSame]

Found some more interesting stuff actually... It's from the daily mail though...

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3332790/Monstrous-new-crisis-Russia-s-downed-jet-Putin-s-fury-stab-terror-accomplices-Moscow-analyst-warns-war-likely-Moscow-analyst.html?ito=social-facebook

 

World leaders scramble to defuse 'monstrous' new crisis over Russia's downed jet: Putin ratchets the tension by dispatching warship to Mediterranean as Moscow expert warns war is 'likely'

• Russia warns of 'serious consequences' after Nato country downs Russian military jet for first time since 1953
• Two pilots were reportedly shot dead by Syrian rebels as they parachuted from burning Sukhoi Su-24 warplane
• Third Russian said to have died when rescue helicopter was hit with anti-tank missile by another rebel group
• Russia denied plane had been in Turkish airspace but Nato secretary-general says assessment showed it had
• A warship has been deployed to the Mediterranean Sea to destroy potential threats to Russian forces in Syria
• Britain has declared military back-up is on standby to support Turkey in any revenge attack by Putin's forces

 

 

Two Russian pilots were shot dead by Syrian rebels as they parachuted from their burning warplane, it was claimed yesterday.

A third was killed during a mission to rescue the pair as another rebel group shot a helicopter with an anti-tank missile.

 

Supposed last moments of the search and rescue helicopter shot down by the Syrian Free Army

 

 

Imo Turkey should be held responsible for acts of war as well as the killing of Russian soldiers and destruction of Russian military equipment. I'm completely against Britain's support for Turkey. Had this been a fighter jet from a country more respected by the West/a part of the western world (like France), I guarantee we wouldn't support Turkey. The thought that anyone can call this a defence of Turkish land is beyond idiotic, it's hard to call it a defence if the target wasn't attacking you in the first place...

[DevilishBooster]

World leaders scramble to defuse 'monstrous' new crisis over Russia's downed jet: Putin ratchets the tension by dispatching warship to Mediterranean as Moscow expert warns war is 'likely'

 Holy sensationalistic headline Batman! Seriously, that headline tho......

 

Two Russian pilots were shot dead by Syrian rebels as they parachuted from their burning warplane, it was claimed yesterday.

A third was killed during a mission to rescue the pair as another rebel group shot a helicopter with an anti-tank missile.

 

Imo Turkey should be held responsible for acts of war as well as the killing of Russian soldiers and destruction of Russian military equipment. I'm completely against Britain's support for Turkey. Had this been a fighter jet from a country more respected by the West/a part of the western world (like France), I guarantee we wouldn't support Turkey. The thought that anyone can call this a defence of Turkish land is beyond idiotic, it's hard to call it a defence if the target wasn't attacking you in the first place...

I agree. I think this whole thing started with and is continuing all based on posturing. Turkey fired the missile because they wanted to make themselves look like big ol' bad boys, and after the fact Russia can't afford to make it look like Turkey can just push them around, and Western NATO members can't afford to lose face with their allies so they are only backing certain people for appearances sake.

[Albatross]

Looks like Russia is calling this a "Planned Provocation" but neither side appears to intend to escalate. 

 

http://abcnews.go.com/International/russia-suggests-downed-warplane-planned-provocation/story?id=35408013

 

Thanks! I'm reading it now.

 

EDIT

 

Honestly, how wasn't this on planned for a larger purpose? Turkey is against Assad and arms the rebels, while Russia supports Assad.

 

 

 

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[Security]

That makes this even more of a grey area, but at least turkey didn't kill him, as that would open a whole other can of worms that would likely escalate very quickly.

 

Turkey are still fully responsible for the pilot's death as they shot the plane down over enemy territory allowing for the rebels to finish the job (they must have known the rebels were in the area).

[AresKrieger]

Turkey are still fully responsible for the pilot's death as they shot the plane down over enemy territory allowing for the rebels to finish the job (they must have known the rebels were in the area).

Yes, but the russians would likely attack turkey outright if the pilots were shot by the turks, and yes I am still on the russians side in this regardless.

[DevilishBooster]

Just a little update. I guess the Turkish goverment has release a recording of them warning the Russian jet that they were approaching Turkish airspace. I'm wondering why it took them several days to release this, I don't think it takes that long to put together an audio recording, but what do I know...

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/news/a18342/turkey-russia-plane-recordings/

[as96]

Found some more interesting stuff actually... It's from the daily mail though...

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3332790/Monstrous-new-crisis-Russia-s-downed-jet-Putin-s-fury-stab-terror-accomplices-Moscow-analyst-warns-war-likely-Moscow-analyst.html?ito=social-facebook

 

World leaders scramble to defuse 'monstrous' new crisis over Russia's downed jet: Putin ratchets the tension by dispatching warship to Mediterranean as Moscow expert warns war is 'likely'

• Russia warns of 'serious consequences' after Nato country downs Russian military jet for first time since 1953
• Two pilots were reportedly shot dead by Syrian rebels as they parachuted from burning Sukhoi Su-24 warplane
• Third Russian said to have died when rescue helicopter was hit with anti-tank missile by another rebel group
• Russia denied plane had been in Turkish airspace but Nato secretary-general says assessment showed it had
• A warship has been deployed to the Mediterranean Sea to destroy potential threats to Russian forces in Syria
• Britain has declared military back-up is on standby to support Turkey in any revenge attack by Putin's forces

 

 

Two Russian pilots were shot dead by Syrian rebels as they parachuted from their burning warplane, it was claimed yesterday.

A third was killed during a mission to rescue the pair as another rebel group shot a helicopter with an anti-tank missile.

 

Supposed last moments of the search and rescue helicopter shot down by the Syrian Free Army

 

 

Imo Turkey should be held responsible for acts of war as well as the killing of Russian soldiers and destruction of Russian military equipment. I'm completely against Britain's support for Turkey. Had this been a fighter jet from a country more respected by the West/a part of the western world (like France), I guarantee we wouldn't support Turkey. The thought that anyone can call this a defence of Turkish land is beyond idiotic, it's hard to call it a defence if the target wasn't attacking you in the first place...

Things are going to shit lately we are getting a bit too close to what could be WW3

[DevilishBooster]

Things are going to shit lately we are getting a bit too close to what could be WW3

I know, and I don't like it. The other thing that stuck out to me was the recording or the "repeated warnings" sounded a little too much like cut and paste for repeating dialog. Like, if they really were warning the pilots, why didn't the guy on the radio sound like he was getting more serious as he kept repeating it? Every single time he speaks in the recording it's always with the same inflection. Given how long it took them to release the recording compbined with that, it just doesn't pass the sniff test for me.

[TheMcSame]

Just a little update. I guess the Turkish goverment has release a recording of them warning the Russian jet that they were approaching Turkish airspace. I'm wondering why it took them several days to release this, I don't think it takes that long to put together an audio recording, but what do I know...

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/news/a18342/turkey-russia-plane-recordings/

One problem I have is that, as far as I can tell, there are only 3 warnings in the clip (at least from what I remember hearing). I don't see the need to hide the other 7 warnings that were supposedly given out. 

 

Assuming they are real warnings... Okay, fair enough, 3 should easily be more than enough to get the message across. But recently, Turkey also stated that they did not know what flag the jet was under. How are those related?

Remember how the surviving pilot said there were no warnings? 

 

Now I don't know about you guys, but to me, Turkey claiming they did not know where the jet was from basically confirms that there were no attempts to visually warn the pilots. Something that should be standard practice, after all, radios aren't immune to failure.

Though I also find it hard to believe that you'd shoot down military aircraft without knowing where it's from. If that was an American or a British jet, Turkey would be in deep shit and would be facing the consequences of their actions.

 

One thing that has also got me thinking is the way Russia is responding. They're sending an anti air battleship and having fighter jets escort all bombers. There's certainly something going on behind Turkey's doors if you ask me. Would Putin really go to those lengths knowing one of his jets crossed the border? Given Russia's history, those aren't being sent for a dick measuring contest. Imo, they're going over there with the intent of being used should Turkey pull another stunt like this. I don't think Putin is crazy enough to pull risks like that without a very good reason.

 

It also seems to be one hell of a coincidence that Turkey is supporting Syrian rebels while Russia is bombing them... Not to mention this interesting video (in the spoiler)... Though keep in mind it's from Russian insider.

 

 

I certainly believe Turkey is hiding some very important information.

[LabRat]

i thought this thread would have died by now, however, Russia knows they're not supposed to cross a sovereign border. they know where the borders are. to hell with them.

[DevilishBooster]

i thought this thread would have died by now, however, Russia knows they're not supposed to cross a sovereign border. they know where the borders are. to hell with them.

The issue here is the fact that the plane, even if they did encroach on the edge of Turkish airspace, was shot down over Syrian airspace. Also the Russian pilot that survived has stated that they never heard any warnings. There is speculation that there might have been an error in the jets navigation system considering the fact that their satelite system isn't as robust as the USA's and it is known to have interference issues. And going back to my post earlier today, I find it very suspicious that Turkey took over 2 days to release an audio clip of them warning the "unknown flag plane" where there are only 3 warnings, which are very clearly looped audio, so they are missing the "recording" of the other 7 warnings they said they gave, as stated above by @TheMcSame .

 

I don't have the time to type up a long post right now, but I'll try to write something up later tonight and post it. Basically at this point, yes we still need more evidence to really figure out what happened, but Turkey's claims at this point hold about as much water as a popped water ballon.

 

 

One thing that has also got me thinking is the way Russia is responding. They're sending an anti air battleship and having fighter jets escort all bombers. There's certainly something going on behind Turkey's doors if you ask me. Would Putin really go to those lengths knowing one of his jets crossed the border? Given Russia's history, those aren't being sent for a dick measuring contest. Imo, they're going over there with the intent of being used should Turkey pull another stunt like this. I don't think Putin is crazy enough to pull risks like that without a very good reason.

I agree, I don't see Russia suddenly committing significant reinforcements to that specific area unless they really thought it was necessary. They were already kicking ISIS' ass so the only reason I can see for them to beef up there is if they feel there is a real threat coming from a state government. I could be totally wrong, but I want more details.

[xgn]

There is a video tape of the one survivor russian pilot what he says is the truth he was never in turkish airspace.

[vanished]

 I'm wondering why it took them several days to release this, I don't think it takes that long to put together an audio recording, 

 

I think you figured it out yourself...

 

the recording or the "repeated warnings" sounded a little too much like cut and paste for repeating dialog. 

 

Faked?

[.spider.]

Now he realizes 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34953505

 

...that there'll be 2.5 million less tourists next year. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Turkey#Tourism_statistics