Question , If you had anything to rant about this generation , what would it be ?

[Guest]

People in the past didn't help the dying either. A biblical story like The Good Samaritan show this.

The story shows that it wasn't uncommon for people to ignore the dead and dying.

That is why the actions of the Samaritan stand out so much.

 

When people moved into cities in the 17th and 18th century, this problem became even more apperant.

There were sick houses where people were just left to die while the rest of the world ignored them.

People weren't nice to the dead and dying in the past. They were equally as cold hearted as we are today, if not more so.

The only reason they didn't take pictures were becuase they didn't have the ability to do so. 

 

The thing is, we are actually living in the most peaceful time in human history.

Compared to the past there isn't near as many people dying in bloody wars as before.

Even the 20th century, which had wars like WWI and WWII, was very peaceful when compared to centuries past. 

I can recommend reading The Better Angels of Our Nature by Steven Pinker. He explains this is far greater detail in that book. 

 

Young guys and gals have been having sex since forever. 

Back in the middle ages (and also before), it was not uncommon to be married away at age 8-10 and the marrige would be consumated when the girl had her ´moon blood´ (period).

And in the well nurtured  upperclass that could easily happen around age 11. 

 

And children have been stars in the past aswell.

In the circuses of Europe it was not uncommon to she very young children performe. Some of those children became international starts.

 

The only reason why we think the current generation is going to hell, is becuase we live in it.

Our history books are filled with the great deeds of great people, but we tend to forget that the everyday was not great. 

When people in the future reads about our generation, they will probably look at us with as much awe as we look at past generations.

EMPATHY

Of course, those past generations were very violent and many ignored the dying. I think though you missed my point, we know so much today in terms of each other and how to treat others, yet we ignore that. That very idea, don't you find alarming? The saying "Those who forget the past are destined to repeat it "...this happens every day with millions of people around the world. We know what it means to be human, we know how to treat others but we ignore....so why?

 

CONFLICT

We don't fight with swords or spears today, but this only because we have perfected the art of killing, which really began with WWI. No other conflict had occurred before and killing was done on an industrial scale. Yes, adding the numbers of casualties up, obviously the years proceeding WWI saw more deaths from wars purely because of the space of time. Over 38 Million people died in a space of just 4years, that had not occurred in any time of history before 1914. Yes you could argue population growth, but this is a false analogy, as population growth maintained the same rate up until the industrial revolution.

 

SEX

Certainly there was underage sex etc, as you stated, we even have it today. Back than it was out of ignorance and religious practices that drove these trends. Today we have the knowledge of the dangers and scientific evidence to back up it's negative effect. So the difference between back than and today are completely different. Children in the western world are not being married off at the young ages, because we have laws against this. Yet children are being exploited sexually by media and TV and Stars, causing this rising trend in underage sex. This is not anything to do with experimenting either, this is full blown imitation of what they see. To suggest that this is "normal" and its being going on as such, it's quiet alarming.

 

FAME

Child stars back in the circus of Europe did not have access to a global audience nor were they bombarded by adults seeking to use them as advertising pawns and role models. They were not followed around by car loads of cameras or have access to unlimited amounts of money. Even adults find it difficult to live this lifestyle today, a lifestyle of fame, and specialties will tell you the trend exploitation of children stars is really causing an epidemic from themselves and the younger generations. You'll never hear this widely talked about, but just scratch the surface and you can see it. Children today are not children, they're doing things at the age I was that I had no idea about or that was not even possible. Negative things.

 

You know @Volbet it's complex. You have successive generations (your parents and their parents) voicing their concerns, and each concern isolated to each generations and separate from the other. In the middle is the current generation who has all sides of the spectrum bombarding them, telling them how to live and act while all while they witness crimes of injustice and violence being committed by the generation of their parents, so no wonder why everyone is scrambling to understand what's really going on.

 

I agree with your idea of things @Volbet, but for me, and perhaps it's a pessimistic outlook, I've seen only in the past 15years how things have declined at such a rapid rate that I find the notion of man heading in a positive direction to be a complete ignorance of the realities.

[Oskar94a]

That everything has to be instant, you have to get the latest thing on release without any work for it. Expect high salary and a good job without any experience, or a good salary doing nothing at all because they deserves it.

[Admiral Naismith]

Just so you know , I don't hate JB , I hate his music.

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular if that's what you think.

His music is his music. It's subjective. Don't like it, don't listen to it. No reason to h8 on other people's parades.

[Ridska]

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular if that's what you think.

His music is his music. It's subjective. Don't like it, don't listen to it. No reason to h8 on other people's parades.

True that.

[beach_boy98]

Our constant addiction to the Internet. please help me.

[Ridska]

-snip-

Oh boy , Look , I don't know what you have against my kind, But you are being very rude sir.

And before you go on a whim and call me a terrorist or ISIS supporter , know this : I hate ISIS than the next guy and i hate them more than you do.

Oh and also C.o.C Core value line 7 and 8 : '' Don't be a dick '' and '' Be excellent to each other '' .

And even if you dissed Islam , know this ; i still respect you and i still love you man .

[as96]

People who gets "offended" by almost everything... on the Internet.

^ this

[Volbet]

EMPATHY

Of course, those past generations were very violent and many ignored the dying. I think though you missed my point, we know so much today in terms of each other and how to treat others, yet we ignore that. That very idea, don't you find alarming? The saying "Those who forget the past are destined to repeat it "...this happens every day with millions of people around the world. We know what it means to be human, we know how to treat others but we ignore....so why?

And to some extend I can agree. We should treat eachother better, but I also think it's naïve to expect such a rapid change in human nature.

While information is readily available to most people on the Western world, it will take time for human nature to adjust.

But according to statistics we are going in the right direction and that's really all one can realistically ask for.

And why? Becuase unfortunatly humans are a great mixture of socializing flock animals and selfserving assholes.

 

CONFLICT

We don't fight with swords or spears today, but this only because we have perfected the art of killing, which really began with WWI. No other conflict had occurred before and killing was done on an industrial scale. Yes, adding the numbers of casualties up, obviously the years proceeding WWI saw more deaths from wars purely because of the space of time. Over 38 Million people died in a space of just 4years, that had not occurred in any time of history before 1914. Yes you could argue population growth, but this is a false analogy, as population growth maintained the same rate up until the industrial revolution.

If we look at the percentage of people who died in armed conflicts throughout the years, then the 20th century was the least deadly century on record and the 21st century is most likely going to beat it.

The 17 million people who died in WWI and the 60 million people killed in WW2 might sound like a lot, but together they account for less than 5% of the world's population.

The only difference between the wars in the 20th century and past wars, was that the 20th century introduced the concept of global wars.

Most wars before that had been smaller local wars. The death toll was much bigger in those small wars, but they didn't create as much of a spectacle.

 

I can agree that it's a tragedy when even one person has to die in an armed conflict, but unfortunatly, armed conflicts probably aren't going to end anytime soon.

But we are moving in the right direction. 

 

SEX

Certainly there was underage sex etc, as you stated, we even have it today. Back than it was out of ignorance and religious practices that drove these trends. Today we have the knowledge of the dangers and scientific evidence to back up it's negative effect. So the difference between back than and today are completely different. Children in the western world are not being married off at the young ages, because we have laws against this. Yet children are being exploited sexually by media and TV and Stars, causing this rising trend in underage sex. This is not anything to do with experimenting either, this is full blown imitation of what they see. To suggest that this is "normal" and its being going on as such, it's quiet alarming.

If we assume that underage sexulaity is soley based on an imitation of media, then that sexuality is still based on ignorance.

It is just a different type of ignorance. As said eariler, it would be naïve to think that the whole of humanity would become informed the minute the internet was invented. 

And while I don't doubt that some 11 year olds are having sex, I would argue that it is still not a norm in any way.

The median age of people's sexual debut in the US is 16½ years old, and it has been around that since we began tracking the data back in the 19th century. 

 

One could also argue that there is nothing inherently wrong with an 11 year old having sex.

If they can make an informed choice, it is their choice to make.

Whether or not they can make this choice I don't know. 

 

Children have also been sexualized in one way or another throughout the years, 

Laws against child pornography are actually quite a recent addition to most countires (atleast when compared to the age of other laws).

The most famous example of a sexualized child would probably be Marie-Louise O'Murphy, who was the 14 year old lover of King Louis XV of France.

One of the most famous painting in the world is of her, laying naked on a couch in a very sensual manner.

 

FAME

Child stars back in the circus of Europe did not have access to a global audience nor were they bombarded by adults seeking to use them as advertising pawns and role models. They were not followed around by car loads of cameras or have access to unlimited amounts of money. Even adults find it difficult to live this lifestyle today, a lifestyle of fame, and specialties will tell you the trend exploitation of children stars is really causing an epidemic from themselves and the younger generations. You'll never hear this widely talked about, but just scratch the surface and you can see it. Children today are not children, they're doing things at the age I was that I had no idea about or that was not even possible. Negative things.

The exploitation of child stars today is just another form of exploitation. It is only different from the days of ol' in the scale it takes.

And it could be argued that that scale doesn't affect the individual child star. 

At some point all the attention just fades together. 

I can agree that the actions of some child stars is troubling, but I don't really see it as any different as how child prodigies and the children of the aristocrats where treated back in the day.

Child prodigies where basically forced to be educated, thereby being denied a childhood, and the aristocratic children where taught to either become a good wife or how to run a piece of land. They were taught to behave like adult while they were still children.

 

And child stars are still a hugh abnormality in the statistics.

If we were to question every child in the world today about their quality of life, I will bet that we would get better answer than we would have gotten 100 years ago.

 

You know @Volbet it's complex. You have successive generations (your parents and their parents) voicing their concerns, and each concern isolated to each generations and separate from the other. In the middle is the current generation who has all sides of the spectrum bombarding them, telling them how to live and act while all while they witness crimes of injustice and violence being committed by the generation of their parents, so no wonder why everyone is scrambling to understand what's really going on.

If we can get a bit philosophical, then one of the reason why people seems to be in scramble is becuase of the so called "Death of ideologies". It's a very post-Nietzschean notion.

Personally, I see this death as a good thing, but most people will only see disorder. 

However, I would argue that the disorder has always been there (as is pointed out in out conversation) and we are only now noticing.

The world used to be easy to understand. On a global scale you had a clear idea of who were the good guys and who were the bad guys.

We in the capitalistic west were the good guys, while the communists in the USSR were the bad guys, for example. 

On a personal level, the individual had a very clear idea of what his/her destiny was.

If you dad was a carpenter, then you became a carpenter. If you were a girl you would be married away, have childre and do house chores.

 

An easy to understand example would be the comparision between books like The Lord of the Rings series and A Song of Ice and Fire series.

Both are a series fantasy books, but one is written in a classic modern style, while the other is written in a post-moderns fashion.

The simple story is pretty much dead in the post-modern world. There is not black or white. Only a grey scale.

The shinning knights are whoring drunks, the damsels will kill you when you turn your back, and the monsters have motives of their own and fell pain when you slay them.

 

This is not a new thing either. It is very much related to the notion of ´angst´ is put forth in Kierkegaard's work Either/Or.

When man doesn't know where to go, it will lead to chaos (atleast as Kierkegaard saw it).

Kierkegaard wrote about this in the beginning of the 19th century, and the so called angst has only become more prevelant since then.

 

I agree with your idea of things @Volbet, but for me, and perhaps it's a pessimistic outlook, I've seen only in the past 15years how things have declined at such a rapid rate that I find the notion of man heading in a positive direction to be a complete ignorance of the realities.

And I don't see a reason for this pessimism. 

When looking at the world in the bigger perspective it is going very well, and it looks like it will only become better. 

It will be a long time before we will reach the peak, and we might never reach it, but atleast we are trying. 

[GoldSrc]

Oh boy , Look , I don't know what you have against my kind, But you are being very rude sir.

And before you go on a whim and call me a terrorist or ISIS supporter , know this : I hate ISIS than the next guy and i hate them more than you do.

Oh and also C.o.C Core value line 7 and 8 : '' Don't be a dick ''  and '' Be excellent to each other '' .

And even if you dissed Islam , know this ; i still respect you and i still love you man .

I'm sure he wasn't being serious, but if you have a problem with his comment, there's the report button.

Also, remember to never get offended by something someone said on the Internet, words can't and shouldn't hurt you, that's how things work on the Internet waters.

[Sithhy]

-The general stupidity of most of the people

-Stupid trends

-Fake girls that go for money only

-Everyone thinking that he has better stuff, is a king of the world

[WolfDeville]

Ridska, on 03 Nov 2015 - 8:35 PM, said:

Oh boy , Look , I don't know what you have against my kind, But you are being very rude sir.

And before you go on a whim and call me a terrorist or ISIS supporter , know this : I hate ISIS than the next guy and i hate them more than you do.

Oh and also C.o.C Core value line 7 and 8 : '' Don't be a dick ''  and '' Be excellent to each other '' .

And even if you dissed Islam , know this ; i still respect you and i still love you man .

FUCK YOU, TERRORIST SCUM!!!  jk.

 

Another thing I hate (and I'm not sure if it only applies to this generation) is how people don't know the difference between race and religion. Like they automatically think a Muslim is Arabic and vice versa.

[79wjd]

FUCK YOU, TERRORIST SCUM!!!  jk.

 

Another thing I hate (and I'm not sure if it only applies to this generation) is how people don't know the difference between race and religion. Like they automatically think a Muslim is Arabic and vice versa.

Well, that's more of a lack of knowledge / an assumption that all arabs are muslims and that all muslims are arabs. 

[WolfDeville]

djdwosk97, on 04 Nov 2015 - 12:11 PM, said:

Well, that's more of a lack of knowledge / an assumption that all arabs are muslims and that all muslims are arabs. 

It is just pure ignorance mixed with hate. The idiots that don't know the difference are the ones that hate all Muslims and Arabs because to them they're all terrorists and the reason why the world is in chaos.

[KemoKa]

This generation?

They're totally apathetic to stuff that directly affects them. But when something indirectly or barely affects them (global warming, breast cancer, war, etc) then they'll spend hours on facebook TYPING about the damn thing, and you can't get them to shut up.

Girls for the most part haven't manned up yet (sorry - I know many have totally done this, but others... UGG boots and the latest smartphone every 6 months ain't gunna help you)

People believe whatever their political ideologies' news channel says and blindly parrot it as if it were gospel. My (die-hard conservative) co-worker told me last week that all Muslims believe that "Infedels must be destroyed" because it's written in the Qur'an. I asked her to tell me in which part of the Qur'an it says that. She couldn't answer. Go figure. Fox News just told her, I guess. I spent a loooong time telling her what a double standard it was that she would defend Christianity but condemn Islam, because really, if Islamic scripture can be interpreted to warrant destruction of nonbelievers, then the Bible sure as hell can.

 

People have opinions that are wrong, controversial or both, and you can be sure that they'll defend them as if they aren't.

 

The music on the radio... The music on the radio made me like Classical music quite literally overnight. One minute I was listening to a song on the radio by Katy Perry or Maroon 5 or some shit like that and I just spontaneously thought to myself "huh... This music is so terrible and uncreative... let's turn to the classical station HOLY CRAP, THIS STUFF IS AMAZING. This music is actually better than fapping!"

 

The one thing I can't stand is that people use things like the word "literally" and "iconic" and other wordy words for no other purpose than to be pretentious, and the worse part is that they KNOW that it sounds pretentious and stupid.

 

If you are my age and you like hanging out with kids (imho kids are a lot more approachable and fun than pleb adults) then you are automatically suspected of being a pedophile. Just straight up. Doesn't matter if you're next-door neigbours. Doesn't matter if they're kids you've babysat since they were five. Doesn't matter if you and said children have actually been friends for a relatively really long time. Doesn't matter if they're your freakin' cousins. If you're seen playing with kids, the immediate assumption is that you want to molest them. because that's totally reasonable.

[XTankSlayerX]

I don't think there are any new issues with "this"  generation. 

 

Children and teens will always have caused and always will cause trouble. 

 

Also why are kids blamed for this? It's all about the parents and how the kid is raised. I never understood this. 

 

Things will always seem to evolve or get worse. When in reality they just become more heard of or people find new things to blame instead of taking responsibility. 

[Linusinium]

It's unfair to judge adolescents that have yet to become fully formed individuals.

 

That being said, friends in their mid twenties spend too much time on their phones for my liking, isolating themselves from people next to them.

 

My limited sample size is far from enough to make a final verdict but young people nowadays are less likely to call or text to let me know that they are running late or that they are unable to show up, even more baffling considering the screen times spend with their phones. Usually I just get silence for a day or two before they reach out again whereas older friends are more likely to communicate in a timely fashion.

[SurvivorNVL]

Nothing new for our generation, but I am personally annoyed with the numbers of ill-informed people when the internet and the capability to be informed, to educate, and go beyond the normal scope of their lives is at their god damn finger-tips.  Useless and ridiculous people are.  They get uppity about anything, but will willingly trade away their rights and freedoms for the simplicity of comfort. 

Better to be clean than comfortable, and too many are unclean.

So, normal things.  Annoyed with ignorance, and -rather- annoyed at the idiocy plaguing society not just in America but world-wide.  Truly my perfect world is out of grasp.  If people just had the right education, and common sense(the most uncommon thing), things would be set -right- I am sure.  Hopefully.   Knowledge negates fear.

[djsoggy1234]

Their bloody awful music (i'm looking at you 5SOS).

lack of spelling and/or grammar.

excessive band wagoning (is that even a word)

no respect for laws and rules.

[djsoggy1234]

They're totally apathetic to stuff that directly affects them. But when something indirectly or barely affects them (global warming, breast cancer, war, etc) then they'll spend hours on facebook TYPING about the damn thing, and you can't get them to shut up.

Girls for the most part haven't manned up yet (sorry - I know many have totally done this, but others... UGG boots and the latest smartphone every 6 months ain't gunna help you)

 

THIS IS SO TRUE.

[Photonic]

Lack of privacy

 

Turning normal English words into something inappropriate 

 

Bad game releases