Surface Book GPU Confirmed 10/20/15 UPDATE

[ZetZet]

Except they stuck a worse processor on the Surface Book Pro so they could add a gimmicky nvidia cpu. Afterall that additional space could have been used for batteries or something. (hell battery life would have been significantly better if they just didn't use the dGPU at all. (the 930m is a 25W gpu.)

I think they stuck a worse processor into it because it's slimmer because it's just a screen and they decided that gGPU would be fun. Let them release it and then we will speculate.

[patrickjp93]

Dat 6000 rpm fan... Note the time differences I mentioned. 1 hr vs 5 minutes.

AIDA 64 burns much hotter than furmark.

[randomhkkid]

Here is the actual part they should have used.

 

http://ark.intel.com/products/91163/Intel-Core-i7-6560U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_20-GHz 15W TDP (downclockable to about 10W) or

http://ark.intel.com/products/91497/Intel-Core-i7-6650U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_40-GHz Same TDP

End of story.

 

Intel Iris Graphics 540 is GT3e (and is basically a 930m)

 

Had they actually wanted to use decent cooling, this is what I would have put on:

http://ark.intel.com/products/91167/Intel-Core-i7-6567U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_60-GHz 28W TDP (downclockable to 23W)

 

BTW in case you were wondering. They used the 6650U for the Surface Pro 4, but used the 6600U for the Surface book which is this poopsicle

http://ark.intel.com/products/88192/Intel-Core-i7-6600U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_40-GHz

IIRC The difference in CPU is due to availability, if you select the i7 on the SP4 the shipping date slips. Hopefully this means the same i7 may be available in the SB later on.

[dizmo]

Haha, why on earth would someone spend the money on this to game..not really its intended use.

[Deletive]

Screw that I'm getting irispro

[pit5000]

for once a mac has a more capable GPU than a comparable windows machine...

 

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-M370X-Mac-vs-GeForce-940M

[Curufinwe_wins]

for once a mac has a more capable GPU than a comparable windows machine...

 

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-M370X-Mac-vs-GeForce-940M

omg did you just link gpuboss... No never ever ever do that. If you must use a site like that... use this one...

 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-R9-M370X.142763.0.html

 

The m370x is about equal to a 940m (a little bit better actually), and this gpu is between the 930m and the 940m. We will see how close, but yes the m370x should be better.

[Ashaira]

oh well. maybe the next iteration otherwise it's back to an ROG as initially planned. has such high hopes.

[ShadowCaptain]

well thats not exactly the kind of work this is suited to. this is meant for on the field, explaining stuff to engineers and workers, or quickly busting together a rough part that needs to be made from measurements you take there. not to render entire engines or stuff

 

 

I disagree, that is what the Surface is for, the surface book is intending to replace the laptop part too

 

so its a machine that can be also used to CREATE the content, so you can edit photos and videos, do your CAD on the go etc

 

its designed around productivity and performance, not JUST portability, so having a GPU gives it an advantage of the regular surface model

 

Otherwise its just a surface with a better keyboard

[Syntaxvgm]

I don't know why ANYONE thought it was a 960m when they were not clear about the exact GPU....they'd trump that up if it was. 

Still interested. 

[ShadowCaptain]

I don't know why ANYONE thought it was a 960m when they were not clear about the exact GPU....they'd trump that up if it was. 

Still interested. 

 

if it had a 960m I would instantly go and buy it, just saying

 

but 940m, MIGHT be enough to make me consider it still, its still very powerful for its form factor and its nice they have not neglected users that needs GPU accelerated performance (maybe a bit of gaming too)

[tsk]

Why would anyone in their right mind want a 960m in there? Or a dGPU of any kind. they shouldve waited to Iris Pro equipped Skylake-U and be done with it. more than enough power for CAD editing, 3d modelling or image manipulation

You are correct sir.

[LukaP]

I disagree, that is what the Surface is for, the surface book is intending to replace the laptop part too

 

so its a machine that can be also used to CREATE the content, so you can edit photos and videos, do your CAD on the go etc

 

its designed around productivity and performance, not JUST portability, so having a GPU gives it an advantage of the regular surface model

 

Otherwise its just a surface with a better keyboard

I agree, its used to create content. and for creating CAD drawings or 3d models/animations, you dont need a powerful gpu. you make use of it when rendering said objects/animations or simulating stresses

[ShadowCaptain]

I agree, its used to create content. and for creating CAD drawings or 3d models/animations, you dont need a powerful gpu. you make use of it when rendering said objects/animations or simulating stresses

 

Adobe premier benefits greatly from it, just as an example

[GoodBytes]

Why would anyone in their right mind want a 960m in there? Or a dGPU of any kind. they shouldve waited to Iris Pro equipped Skylake-U and be done with it. more than enough power for CAD editing, 3d modelling or image manipulation

Oh please. Intel integrated graphics is nothing but garbage. Still waiting for FULL (like real full) DirectX, OpenGL, Direct Compute and OpenCL support. And those shitty buggy drivers, I want sometimes feel like I want to take my awseome Surface Pro 2 and bin it. At thus point, I am willing to take a GeForce 210 (or similar from AMD), over this garbage, at least I know I'll have quality drivers works, and any thing I do/run will work out of the box.

[Bouzoo]

At thus point, I am willing to take a GeForce 210 (or similar from AMD), over this garbage, at least I know I'll have quality drivers works, and any thing I do/run will work out of the box.

 

You are the most positive person about drivers on the forum. To be fair, I had more NV driver problems than Intel. Also to be fair, I only use NV GPU for gaming, it's Intel for everything else. Also had some AMD drivers in previous laptops, but those didn't have integrated Intel graphics.

[GoodBytes]

You are the most positive person about drivers on the forum. To be fair, I had more NV driver problems than Intel. Also to be fair, I only use NV GPU for gaming, it's Intel for everything else. Also had some AMD drivers in previous laptops, but those didn't have integrated Intel graphics.

Exactly my point. How about trying to play games and use GPU accelerated software with your Intel GPU.

How about plugging in and out your laptop multiple time while sleeping and waking it up multiple times, you'll quickly see how your Intel driver settings magically changes (but not in the control panel). It affects all Intel mobile GPUs, beside Apple MacOS drivers. Notice how you gradients are no longer smooth, and colors sift, until you either unplug the laptop and plug it back in (or if its unplugged, you plug it in), or you restart your system. Just the tip of the iceberg of problems.

Nvidia/AMD the worst you have is some old game performing doing poorly, due to optimization with the new game. You use the older drivers or wait for the next ones. No big deal per se. Intel, nothing is fixed since day 1... ok I lie.. they did fix the options that were acting on reverse of the labels that where mentioned on the Control Panel. It took them over a year to fix them, but hey, its fixed now.

[Bouzoo]

How about plugging in and out your laptop multiple time while sleeping and waking it up multiple times, you'll quickly see how your Intel driver settings magically changes (but not in the control panel). It affects all Intel mobile GPUs, beside Apple MacOS drivers. Notice how you gradients are no longer smooth, and colors sift, until you either unplug the laptop and plug it back in (or if its unplugged, you plug it in), or you restart your system. Just the tip of the iceberg of problems.

 

I've had my laptop for almost a week on hibernate/sleep with constantly plugging it in and out (if we're talking about power). Also was using peripherals and another screen (from my PC in my sig) at that time so and didn't have any issues. It was always on performace setup when on battery. You might've had a really bad experience there. I don't remember having any problems except trying to update them once and it was my fault then. Not defending them, it's just how it was. 

As far as gaming goes, I gamed on a Sasmung XE700T1C with a i5-3337U. Tried to play FFXIV on it, everything was running on 720p low so it was doable (I even did a raid with my static at that time. You know, for science). Didn't have any issues except it was weak, but that's a HD4000 which is horrible. And we're talking about a tablet. Even the touch screen worked in the game. Oh was that fun...

[PlayStation 2]

That depends on project size. ECC is good to have for large projects since data errors in RAM increase in frequency with data size.

You're telling me.

[LukaP]

Oh please. Intel integrated graphics is nothing but garbage. Still waiting for FULL (like real full) DirectX, OpenGL, Direct Compute and OpenCL support. And those shitty buggy drivers, I want sometimes feel like I want to take my awseome Surface Pro 2 and bin it. At thus point, I am willing to take a GeForce 210 (or similar from AMD), over this garbage, at least I know I'll have quality drivers works, and any thing I do/run will work out of the box.

Oh I dont know, but maybe the fact our UNI is using the L4 equipped broadwells in their compute server for oCL would show otherwise. they may be buggy for games (i honestly never played a game on an iGPU) but for compute Gen8 is awsoeme

[randomhkkid]

Oh please. Intel integrated graphics is nothing but garbage. Still waiting for FULL (like real full) DirectX, OpenGL, Direct Compute and OpenCL support. And those shitty buggy drivers, I want sometimes feel like I want to take my awseome Surface Pro 2 and bin it. At thus point, I am willing to take a GeForce 210 (or similar from AMD), over this garbage, at least I know I'll have quality drivers works, and any thing I do/run will work out of the box.

 

 

Oh I dont know, but maybe the fact our UNI is using the L4 equipped broadwells in their compute server for oCL would show otherwise. they may be buggy for games (i honestly never played a game on an iGPU) but for compute Gen8 is awsoeme

 

 

if it had a 960m I would instantly go and buy it, just saying

 

but 940m, MIGHT be enough to make me consider it still, its still very powerful for its form factor and its nice they have not neglected users that needs GPU accelerated performance (maybe a bit of gaming too)

 

Honestly the use case for these will not normally include gaming or compute workloads, however companies pushing for as much power possible in the form factor is always a plus in my mind. The fact that Microsoft is using a custom GPU says to me that they are catering for this and are cramming as much power as they can into the form factor without compromising other aspects such as physical dimensions or battery. I'd like to think this '945m' will be fast enough to push light 3D modelling onsite as well as light gaming in a pinch. 

[Linus_torvalds]

i wonder how much faster the 940 is over an IRIS GPU with DDR4

I do not think it will be much faster, because remember this? i7 5775c has iris pro 6200 paired with 1600 DDR3 RAM and i think Skylakes high end IGPU paired with 3000+ DDR4 ram will be faster then this, faster then that GTX 750 so...

 

intel does well in it's graphics. if they had that much improvement in CPU side skylakes i3 would be faster then i7 990x, but we all know that 990x will kick it's ass!

 

[randomhkkid]

I do not think it will be much faster, because remember this? i7 5775c has iris pro 6200 paired with 1600 DDR3 RAM and i think Skylakes high end IGPU paired with 3000+ DDR4 ram will be faster then this, faster then that GTX 750 so...

 

intel does well in it's graphics. if they had that much improvement in CPU side skylakes i3 would be faster then i7 990x, but we all know that 990x will kick it's ass!

 

But that's a broadwell chip with a huge iris pro gpu attached to it and no power/thermal constraints. Skylake doesn't have the same emphasis on gpu and especially not in the mobile space. Performance equivalent to a 750m is hopeful let alone a full blown 750.