will apple switch to intel graphics for macbook pro?

[patrickjp93]

To power-phrase your argument: "Intel make good drivers for their iGPU"

The entire IT industry (excluding Intel) begs to differ, no-one says they make bad drivers, just not good drivers. They always have been 'meh'. There is no need for a 1.5 page debate on this topic.

 

Also, Abductive reasoning is superior /s

 

EDIT:

After looking at some of your other posts... you do actually claim to know everything....

 

Love the arrogance, keep it up, and rember you don't need to provide facts and supporting arguments, that's for plebs.

Read it again. I don't claim to know everything. I claim to have never said anything incorrect, which has mostly panned out. Being wrong is fun, because I learn when I am. This is no such instance, and your reasoning is so weak my freshman students could have ripped it to shreds. If you intend to step into the ring with me, you better punch so hard I don't remain conscious.

[Psykomantis00]

This thread is everything that's wrong with 90% of the users here. 

 

[fade2green514]

People who think Intel's iGPUs are unacceptable for productivity...

R7 M370X: 640 shaders at 800 MHz = 620 * 2 * 0.8*10^9 = 992GFlops

4950HQ Iris Pro: 384 shaders at 1.15GHz = 384 * 2 * 1.15*10^9 = 883.2GFlops

A downgrade, but not a bad tradeoff for a cooler-running machine

GT4e Iris Pro: 576 shaders at 1.0 GHz = 576 * 2 * 1*10^9 = 1.152*10^12 = 1.152TFlops

576 shaders at 1.15 GHz = 576 * 2 * 1.15*10^9 = 1.3284*10^12 = 1.3284TFlops

An upgrade, and you get the cooler running machine!

if only it were this simple. by that logic amd's fury x should just completely destroy the titan x... but as proven by nvidia time and time again pure processing power isn't the only thing they are selling you, and pure processing power doesn't always translate to better performance.

[patrickjp93]

if only it were this simple. by that logic amd's fury x should just completely destroy the titan x... but as proven by nvidia time and time again pure processing power isn't the only thing they are selling you, and pure processing power doesn't always translate to better performance.

Sigh, no it doesn't. You're using a straw man argument. The Fury X is VRAM limited to get the desired flops, and it's ROP limited to get the gaming performance potential the chip has. For a ~1TFLOP chip, system RAM is easily adequate.

[MrSuperb]

Their macbook pros haven't been "pro" for a very long time. It's sad that so many design students buy MB PROs 15" when a Dell 3800 is the same price and yet it has a 4K screen, weighs less, and has a QUADRO :wacko:.

 

I don't understand why they can't put a K1100M in it either. Its not going to fuck with temps any more than the 370x would.

why would they put a slow K1100M in? that performs worse than a GTX 740M?

Because Quadro Driver support? Doesn't matter under OS X. they make their own drivers ANYWAY ...

[sylarspock]

People who think Intel's iGPUs are unacceptable for productivity...

 

R7 M370X: 640 shaders at 800 MHz = 620 * 2 * 0.8*10^9 = 992GFlops

4950HQ Iris Pro: 384 shaders at 1.15GHz = 384 * 2 * 1.15*10^9 = 883.2GFlops

A downgrade, but not a bad tradeoff for a cooler-running machine

GT4e Iris Pro: 576 shaders at 1.0 GHz   = 576 * 2 * 1*10^9      = 1.152*10^12 = 1.152TFlops

                       576 shaders at 1.15 GHz = 576 * 2 * 1.15*10^9 = 1.3284*10^12 = 1.3284TFlops

An upgrade, and you get the cooler running machine!

 

Those numbers are interesting.

[Blake]

Read it again. I don't claim to know everything. I claim to have never said anything incorrect, which has mostly panned out. Being wrong is fun, because I learn when I am. This is no such instance, and your reasoning is so weak my freshman students could have ripped it to shreds. If you intend to step into the ring with me, you better punch so hard I don't remain conscious.

Maybe you should look at the definition of arrogance. Then re-read what you have typed.

 

Also, you might want to read up on Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement. your entire counter argument is ad hominem with a mix of namecalling mixed in.

 

with regards to my other point, regarding what's his face, jim keller. you stated that due to your 'investor conference call' you stated he was heading to intel and to watch out for a media statment today or tomorrow. All indications so far indicate that is incorrect (http://www.thespynews.com/hot-news/2015/09/21/cpu-wiz-jim-keller-leaves-amd-to-join-apple/767 - not a very reliable source, infact it is shit, but currently the only source informing of his next where abouts, and from what I have seen alot more reliable then your predictions), and that the intel corporate page shows no events till the 11th of october or some such date, where they'd disclose this information. See how I just refuted your central point? It may well be that you're correct in your statement in this case, but a good counter argument is not "I am right, I said so, I am doing a masters therefore I claim the higher ground"

 

My original post was simply me agreeing with goodbyte, by stating that university students, in general, while having alot of theroetical knowledge, don't yet understand how to transfer that knowledge into practical real world senarios, which is why when you do join the workforce, in whatever feild you have choosen, it will be as a jr. dev/jr. reseach assistant/jr. sysadmin. (yes I know you interned at IBM, haveing worked directly for IBM in the past, I can saftely say unless your in the R&D tower, it doesn't actually mean anything, I know I asked you about which tower you where going to work in before your internship a while back, but I never actually got a response, mabye share some light? However in saying that, as a masters degree requires no original thought to obtain (assuming you are getting you masters buy completeing a thesis) it would be unlikey you would be doing R&D, you'd think they'd leave that all to the PHD students). This being the IT industry, experiance is king, failing on having that (teaching does not equal IT experiance), certification or a degree come second (i.e. i know which buttons to press, or I can make an educated guess on which buttons to press). I could also pull out my fairly impressive education and use that as a debate point, but this is the internet, no-one cares.

[snes]

Logic:

 

PC Users: Oh, that'll give me good performance for my money, I'll spend $500 on that PC.

 

Apple Users: Ooh! It's shiny! I'll buy it for $3000!

There are people who bought an Audi A3 instead of a Skoda Fabia. Imagine that. Why aren't we all driving Lada Nivas?

[patrickjp93]

Maybe you should look at the definition of arrogance. Then re-read what you have typed.

 

Also, you might want to read up on Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement. your entire counter argument is ad hominem with a mix of namecalling mixed in.

 

with regards to my other point, regarding what's his face, jim keller. you stated that due to your 'investor conference call' you stated he was heading to intel and to watch out for a media statment today or tomorrow. All indications so far indicate that is incorrect (http://www.thespynews.com/hot-news/2015/09/21/cpu-wiz-jim-keller-leaves-amd-to-join-apple/767 - not a very reliable source, infact it is shit, but currently the only source informing of his next where abouts, and from what I have seen alot more reliable then your predictions), and that the intel corporate page shows no events till the 11th of october or some such date, where they'd disclose this information. See how I just refuted your central point? It may well be that you're correct in your statement in this case, but a good counter argument is not "I am right, I said so, I am doing a masters therefore I claim the higher ground"

 

My original post was simply me agreeing with goodbyte, by stating that university students, in general, while having alot of theroetical knowledge, don't yet understand how to transfer that knowledge into practical real world senarios, which is why when you do join the workforce, in whatever feild you have choosen, it will be as a jr. dev/jr. reseach assistant/jr. sysadmin. (yes I know you interned at IBM, haveing worked directly for IBM in the past, I can saftely say unless your in the R&D tower, it doesn't actually mean anything, I know I asked you about which tower you where going to work in before your internship a while back, but I never actually got a response, mabye share some light? However in saying that, as a masters degree requires no original thought to obtain (assuming you are getting you masters buy completeing a thesis) it would be unlikey you would be doing R&D, you'd think they'd leave that all to the PHD students). This being the IT industry, experiance is king, failing on having that (teaching does not equal IT experiance), certification or a degree come second (i.e. i know which buttons to press, or I can make an educated guess on which buttons to press). I could also pull out my fairly impressive education and use that as a debate point, but this is the internet, no-one cares.

No, I disagree using facts as my basis, and then I insult you. I'm allowed to accomplish multiple goals in a single response, am I not?

 

Also, I'm offered senior or managerial positions for development and software engineering. It helps having a Github page for a portfolio with more than 400K lines of bug-free code to show off. Application isn't nearly as difficult as theory. Once the theory is settled, application of it is merely brute force when it comes to code, a translation from one logical language (math) to another (code).

[NumLock21]

They already have.

Only the most expensive MacBook Pro comes with a iGPU and GPU. The rest of the MacBook Pro only uses a iGPU. The 13" model runs on Intel Iris 6100 and 15" runs on Intel Iris Pro.

http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs-retina/

[Ashaira]

Don't you love it when university kids think they know everything?

i used to know everything. but then i got a job and reality hit me on the head with an admantium hammer.....

[79wjd]

There are people who bought an Audi A3 instead of a Skoda Fabia. Imagine that. Why aren't we all driving Lada Nivas?

Valuable life lesson: You don't know how much of a piece of shit the product you're using is until you've used something better. 

I've driven an A4, S4, C300, Cayman S, Macan S, Honda Insight, Rav4, Hyundai Sonata, Cadillac ATS, and probably a few others I can't remember....And holy crap the difference between any of the German cars is well worth the higher price points (although, I personally hated the C300 as I found it drove very meh (for me) -- I prefer at least a bit of road feel and not insane levels of turbo lag).

 

So perspective is everything.

[patrickjp93]

Valuable life lesson: You don't know how much of a piece of shit the product you're using is until you've used something better. 

I've driven an A4, S4, C300, Cayman S, Macan S, Honda Insight, Rav4, Hyundai Sonata, Cadillac ATS, and probably a few others I can't remember....And holy crap the difference between any of the German cars is well worth the higher price points.

VW's electrical issues have been way too prevalent for years for me to trust a German car as my next one. Audi was just as bad for a while.

[79wjd]

VW's electrical issues have been way too prevalent for years for me to trust a German car as my next one. Audi was just as bad for a while.

Pre-2004 I would agree, post 2004 Audi has been doing really well. 

 

And of all the cars I've driven, I do really enjoy the experience of the A4 (S4 better, and Cayman S even better -- but that's mainly due to outright performance more than the driving experience, although yes, the two are very related). 

[patrickjp93]

Pre-2004 I would agree, post 2004 Audi has been doing really well. 

 

And of all the cars I've driven, I do really enjoy the experience of the A4 (S4 better, and Cayman S even better -- but that's mainly due to outright performance more than the driving experience, although yes, the two are very related). 

2008 VW Jetta was still potentially a death trap if the electronics failed on the highway and shut down your whole car.

 

I'm happy with my 2012 Hyundai Elantra and probably will be until 2025. Hopefully by then we have solid hydrogen cell-driven cars that can go 2000+ miles on a single fill. We'll break 1000 before the end of the decade on a 15 gallon tank.

[TroubleKlef]

Intel iGPUs on the pro and ARM processors for the regular MacBooks? Crazy to see how powerful these once "weak platforms" are becoming.

[patrickjp93]

Intel iGPUs on the pro and ARM processors for the regular MacBooks? Crazy to see how powerful these once "weak platforms" are becoming.

I thought the MacBook was based on Broadwell-Y.

[79wjd]

I thought the MacBook was based on Broadwell-Y.

It is. 

[TroubleKlef]

I thought the MacBook was based on Broadwell-Y.

 

I'm more relating it to the rumors that the Pros would go Iris only and the regular MacBooks would switch to ARM

[pit5000]

i only see them doing this for lower priced models, Final Cut Pro X uses GPU acceleration

[patrickjp93]

I'm more relating it to the rumors that the Pros would go Iris only and the regular MacBooks would switch to ARM

Ah, ok

[ConnorDahne]

-snip snip-

Always like seeing your posts, good to see points that are well thought out.

[NeoZeon]

Not that I disagree with the point... but you can get a Macbook pro 15 inch for 1999 (education) ..... not many people buy the fully speced out one since the performance difference between the bottom end 15 inch (which is very well sepced) is not much worse than one speced at 2999. for ~2400 you can get one with a dedicated GPU. 

 

The difference in price is big enough that we should try and be a little more accurate.