AMD Reorganises GPU Divison - Forms 'Radeon Technologies Group'

[patrickjp93]

 

AVX2 wise i read about it and im really surprised its not in every game engine already, even OS, basically all the code in games that deals with floating point operation can benefit from this greatly since boohoo everything you see on the screen in 3D games are vectors and matrices calculations exactly what benefits the most from avx2. AVX2 + DX12 would seriously boost CPU performance in games, but apart from Haswell and up there is not much support on avx2, so i guess thats why no one uses those instruction for games so far. Its sad that new cpu tech(instructions) is the least adopted one, we hardly get adoption for new graphics API. 

Well if Microsoft supported code multiversioning, you could have the legacy code paths and the paths with AVX2 for those people with those instructions so everyone gets the fastest code possible for their platform. ICC, GCC, and Clang all support that.

[patrickjp93]

intel redid the license so whoever buys amd wont get the x86 license and nvidia has no experience making desktop cpus

 

intel will probably be interested in amd's driver team 

Denver was originally going to be a desktop CPU, but when Nvidia tried to get away with x86 manipulation, Intel brought the hammer down on them. Danver's design is actually very problematic for Intel. It's a VLIW design, but it's based on optimizing a simpler language into longer instruction words with minimal amounts of data and control hazards. It's highly innovative and potentially dangerous at higher clocks with more refinement.

[bogus]

 

When I look at 2016/2017, I am seeing a completely different PC gaming environment on the horizon.

 

This.

[spartaman64]

Denver was originally going to be a desktop CPU, but when Nvidia tried to get away with x86 manipulation, Intel brought the hammer down on them. Danver's design is actually very problematic for Intel. It's a VLIW design, but it's based on optimizing a simpler language into longer instruction words with minimal amounts of data and control hazards. It's highly innovative and potentially dangerous at higher clocks with more refinement.

but it is not a desktop processor and is nowhere close to the power of a desktop processor

[zMeul]

intel will probably be interested in amd's driver team

yeah, they will fire everyone of them .. on the spot  :lol:

[spartaman64]

yeah, they will fire everyone of them .. on the spot  :lol:

no they need their experience making drivers for broken games and honestly ive had more trouble with nvidia drivers than amd drivers

[patrickjp93]

but it is not a desktop processor and is nowhere close to the power of a desktop processor

It's just as strong as a G3258 before you crank up the clocks.

[HalGameGuru]

but it is not a desktop processor and is nowhere close to the power of a desktop processor

It's a lot closer than many would like to admit

[spartaman64]

It's just as strong as a G3258 before you crank up the clocks.

not a really strong line up if your strongest cpu matches a 70 dollar pentium also working with an x86 processor is different than an arm processor

[spartaman64]

It's a lot closer than many would like to admit

not really. their architecture optimizes for different things. for the tegra is performance per watt for a desktop processor its raw power

[zMeul]

no they need their experience making drivers for broken games and honestly ive had more trouble with nvidia drivers than amd drivers

from personal experience running Radeons for 14y, ATi/AMD have as much issues as the rest of them

let's not even forget their CPU overhead in DX not 12, they haven't got around fixing it

[patrickjp93]

not a really strong line up if your strongest cpu matches a 70 dollar pentium also working with an x86 processor is different than an arm processor

The point is it was the first time anyone ever tried the design idea. Nvidia is potentially dangerous to Intel. Give it time. The next iteration building off of Denver will be out in 2016. And the Denver cores are tiny compared to Intel's Haswell cores for instance. The design is expandable.

[Agosto]

RTG

Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator

Let's expect new AMD cards to have an iridum shell surronded by graphite and thermocouples.

[HalGameGuru]

The point is it was the first time anyone ever tried the design idea. Nvidia is potentially dangerous to Intel. Give it time. The next iteration building off of Denver will be out in 2016. And the Denver cores are tiny compared to Intel's Haswell cores for instance. The design is expandable.

According to emulators.com, if memory serves, Denver shows the capability of being able to emulate or binary translate x86 code and operate as effectively as a native x86 processor. Current gen Intel performance? No... not yet. But, to have a processor that can virtualize so well on top of the native performance it has, makes it an interesting first step for a future CPU contender, with or without access to x86.

[bcredeur97]

RTG is the new AMD that was the new ATI

 

they had the "A" thing going.... now its all messed up

[patrickjp93]

According to emulators.com, if memory serves, Denver shows the capability of being able to emulate or binary translate x86 code and operate as effectively as a native x86 processor. Current gen Intel performance? No... not yet. But, to have a processor that can virtualize so well on top of the native performance it has, makes it an interesting first step for a future CPU contender, with or without access to x86.

If Nvidia paired up with the Global Foundries Fab that makes the Power 8 chips (22nm FF on FDSOI) and boosts the clocks to 4+GHz and puts the same amount of cache in play as Intel, you could have a truly close match. That's why I keep saying it would be a nightmare if Intel pushed Nvidia's accelerators out of HPC, because they'd no longer be in direct competition, leaving Nvidia wide open to a buyout by Intel, leaving AMD, IBM, and Oracle completely defenseless for different reasons. The purchase of Altera was already damaging enough.

[ivan134]

From what i get from this, it just means that the engineers wont be spread so thin, and answering to a dozen departments. I don't see anywhere that AMD has given up on either GPU's or CPU's. Seeing as this group is still owned by AMD, and is still flying the AMD banner, it is still part of AMD's camp. What this means is that they will most likely have different R&D departments, and it also means that the engineers won't be double dipping anymore.

 

All in all, it's win-win either way. 

You didn't get the memo? Division of labor means your company is failing.

[MageTank]

You didn't get the memo? Division of labor means your company is failing.

That memo was written in Crayon, and covered in finger paint. I was unaware it was serious.

 

I will be sure to pay better attention next time  :wacko:

[Dredgy]

Valve literally shit 1 mil a day.

In profit, probably about twice that, maybe three times. And Intel makes about 10 times as much again,

Not that I'm saying either would be a good or bad fit, but Intel makes much, much more money than Valve.

[pit5000]

i want Fury X core in an APU

[Guest Kloaked]

So nothing changed.

 

Nice.

[pbenologa]

Have you checked  how much Valve make - they stopped doing anything - steam is a cash cow like non other.

yes because they dont push almost daily updates on porting dota 2 to source 2. yep they did stopped doing anything. /s

[shawno]

Back on topic, hopefully this means a huge win for consumers in getting release day drivers, game optimization and better product releases.

I dont think its restructuring from a debt perspective but more in lieu with propper business management experience from lisa.

[gill2k]

Well, hello there ATI!  We meet again!

[Doobeedoo]

So ATI is getting back again... Hmm, AMD really needs to make their Arctic Islands GPUs be awesome to sustain until Zen and their CPU really needs to be impressive. 
Otherwise I wouldn't even know what to think about company if I worked there. Would be really sad.