Laser pointer carjacking tool of the future

[jos]

Google, Uber and even Apple’s potential self-driving car can all be foiled by little more than a homebrew laser pointer thanks to their Lidar sensor systems.

 

Jonathan Petit, principal scientist at software security company Security Innovation, has unearthed a gaping security vulnerability in Lidar sensors – essentially the eyes of any self-driving car. 

 

low-power laser and pulse generator can fool a car into believing that other cars and pedestrians are around it.

 

The vulnerability means that self-driving cars could be halted in the middle of the road when they believe another car or person has appeared in view suddenly.

 

 

 

This is the first true setback i can see for self driving car...What do you guys think, for or not for self driving car???

Source: http://www.alphr.com/cars/1001483/self-driving-cars-can-be-fooled-by-fake-cars-pedestrians-and-other-bogus-signals

 

[ZetZet]

Well they know now so it will be fixed.

[jos]

Well they know now so it will be fixed.

It is not an easy fix.. because of how Lidar work,,,

[Snickerzz]

Just think of some kid doing this on a highway as a "prank" or car jackers using this on a mostly deserted road

[Nineshadow]

It won't run over anyone so...

[Beskamir]

Guess even if selfdriving cars take over they will always need to have a human component A shame really since I was hoping to have a sleeping pod.

[Psykomantis00]

Well they know now so it will be fixed.

More like they know now and will be made illegal. Idk of any way to fix it but I'm sure it would be much easier to make disrupting self driving anything illegal. 

[Tsuki]

It won't run over anyone so...

true, but with this, you could make it slam on its breaks on the freeway. imagine getting rear ended at 80mph.

[Thony]

As an owner of green laser pointer a two red ones i have a grin on my face just imagining how pissed off some "travelers" could get

[Tycho]

Just think of some kid doing this on a highway as a "prank" or car jackers using this on a mostly deserted road

how do you carjack a car that has no steering wheel?

[Snickerzz]

how do you carjack a car that has no steering wheel?

>point gun at occupants

>get in car

>tell car where to go

 

OR

 

>point gun at occupants

>robberman2 comes in with a toe truck and takes car and robberman1 gets in with robberman2

>strip car for parts

[Arty]

>point gun at occupants

>get in car

>tell car where to go

 

OR

 

>point gun at occupants

>robberman2 comes in with a toe truck and takes car and robberman1 gets in with robberman2

>strip car for parts

how you going to hide a car thats always connected to the internet?

[Snickerzz]

how you going to hide a car thats always connected to the internet?

There's always a way

[Tycho]

>point gun at occupants

>get in car

>tell car where to go

 

OR

 

>point gun at occupants

>robberman2 comes in with a toe truck and takes car and robberman1 gets in with robberman2

>strip car for parts

you can't tell it to go somewhere because it'll be traceable. if you somehow were able to completely disable all the electronics in the car then you might be able to tow it undetected

[Snickerzz]

you can't tell it to go somewhere because it'll be traceable. if you somehow were able to completely disable all the electronics in the car then you might be able to tow it undetected

Yeah it'll be traceable. I'm not saying they'll tell it to go to their house and they'll use as their own car, but they could drive it a town over, disable it's tracking or w.e. and then tow it to a chopshop.

[spwath]

you can't tell it to go somewhere because it'll be traceable. if you somehow were able to completely disable all the electronics in the car then you might be able to tow it undetected

emp plus tow truck = free car

[ManWithBeard1990]

Probably not that hard to fix. Well, hard, but not as hard as the challenges they've faced already.

TBH if self-driving cars are to become ubiquitous their sensors should all be passive anyway. Otherwise this sort of interference will be a big problem. Pretty sure Google's engineers already know that though. I did, anyway.

[Hans Christian | Teri]

Been saying this for a while, self driving cars will be incredibly easy to tamper with. Jamming and spoofing signals could end in a disaster after wide adoption.

[jos]

Probably not that hard to fix. Well, hard, but not as hard as the challenges they've faced already.

TBH if self-driving cars are to become ubiquitous their sensors should all be passive anyway. Otherwise this sort of interference will be a big problem. Pretty sure Google's engineers already know that though. I did, anyway.

The only technology that accurately give distance speed extra needed for an autonomous car is a LIDAR..

 

This is how LIDAR work. so basically the input is a varying laser.. There cant be any input but varying Laser as input.. If you want to change that you need to change fundamental nature of physics. They may come up with something in time..But not an easy fix. They will be knowing it as that might be how they beta tested many features... As of now there are no passive methods that give accuracy and reliability...

[Ekpyrosis]

This might lead to some serious pranks.

[bcredeur97]

This means a huge delay in the mainstream-ness of self driving cars.

 

YAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHOOPEE

 

 

sorry, but I just love driving too much lol

[ofr057]

I think once self driving cars will be mainstream they will have more then just lidar for navigation, in doing so will have error correction

[Kamil]

You know, in fairness, pointing a laser at the face of a human driving a car is probably pretty effective at causing crashes too.

[Dezz]

how you going to hide a car thats always connected to the internet?

 

Disconnect the ethernet cable

[Majestic]

how you going to hide a car thats always connected to the internet?

 

A truck with a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage