Can my Psu handle a GTX 970?

[System_Of_A_Game]

Hello, guys.

I'm saving money for my graphics card, I'm going to buy a GTX 970 Gigabyte G1 next month, but I'm not sure that my PSU can handle it (it's a Cooler Master elite v 500: www.coolermaster.com/powersupply/office-home-elite-power/elite-power-v2-500w/)

My build is:

MB:gigabyte 78lmt-usb3 (I was in a budget )

2 sata drives,

2 120 mm fans

AMD FX 6300

2 ram modules

Can my anemic Psu handle it?

[Laederem]

it can

however your CPU can't 

[cheeze_tartz]

Yes, but that will be a huge bottleneck.

[System_Of_A_Game]

But this: http://www.techspot.com/review/991-gta-5-pc-benchmarks/page6.html

Doesn't seem THAT bad of bottleneck

[pomaranc]

But this: http://www.techspot.com/review/991-gta-5-pc-benchmarks/page6.html

Doesn't seem THAT bad of bottleneck

People say bottleneck way too often when talking about AMD CPUs, You won't have better performance with intel because AMD CPU is bottlenecking your GPU but simply because intel is better. FX 6300 is not really great for gaming but not so bad that it would hold down your GPU (OK maybe a little bit) Get 970 but make sure you next upgrade is CPU

[Majestic]

But this: http://www.techspot.com/review/991-gta-5-pc-benchmarks/page6.html

Doesn't seem THAT bad of bottleneck

That's because site like techspot run around single-player, indoors for a minute. Try multiplayer.

 

http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/chaostheory/2015/03/hardline/charts/bfh_cpu_nv.png

 

Or;

http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/chaostheory/2015/05/w3/charts6/w3n_ultra_cpu.png

http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/chaostheory/2015/05/pcars/charts4/pcars_cpuc_1920.png

 

Get a 280 or a 960.

[System_Of_A_Game]

Thanks for the help, guys. I really appreciate it.

Unfortunately,I won't upgrade to an Intel processor... Not because I don't want to, but because in my country (Mexico) the I5 4570k literally cost 3 times as much as a 6300. And 15 fps more aren't worth it in my opinion.

Ps:I was going to buy a 960 last week, but I decided to save for the 970

[Majestic]

Unfortunately,I won't upgrade to an Intel processor... Not because I don't want to, but because in my country (Mexico) the I5 4570k literally cost 3 times as much as a 6300. And 15 fps more aren't worth it in my opinion.

Ps:I was going to buy a 960 last week, but I decided to save for the 970

 

A little more in those benchmarks I gave you, they're deficits of 40-50%. Meaning the extra speed the 970 has over the 960, gets averaged out by your CPU. You might get higher fps in some cases, but if you want to talk about "bad value" as you talk about 4690K vs FX-6300 (which i don't agree with, but lets roll with it), this is certainly bad value. You will get severe diminishing returns when buying a 970 over a 280/960 when using that CPU. Especially because you can't overclock it on that board. 

 

Just dont. do. it. Don't listen to shia labeouf m8.

[asim1999]

Well bottlenecking shouldn't be an issue when games support DX12 

[Majestic]

Well bottlenecking shouldn't be an issue when games support DX12 

 

That's ridiculous, you don't think developers will push the enveloppe anymore? Increasing the amount of drawcalls that can be made does not mean CPU stress will be eleviated, especially when more drawcalls are being made. The problem now is that we've been hitting the wall on DX11 for a while, and moving to DX12 (with current game complexity) will temporarily make it a bit easier for multithreaded CPU's. But that won't be the case when consolegames properly port over to PC and use as many drawcalls as they do in console API's.

 

And evenso, AMD's FX cores don't really scale that well in synthetic benchmarks. FX-6300's single-threaded score is only 1/4th of the multithreaded score. 

 

I don't want to start an AMD vs. Intel discussion. The 970 is a bad combination for the FX-6300, period. Stop giving people bad advice.

[System_Of_A_Game]

Oh, man. This is such a bummer . I just bought my pc a month ago,i was in a hurry and on a tight budget, but I thought that 16gb of ram Hyperx, a Ssd, an average mobo and the FX 6300, paired with a good gpu like the 970, would be enough to run most of the games maxed put (excepted Witcher 3 like demanding games)... I feel so bummed . I mean the 960 will do the job, but it'll lack so hard, I think it can't even maxed out Witcher 3 .

Lesson learn just.f***ing save and don't buy in a rush </3.

Edit:

Ps: I wasn't saying that the 4690 has a bad value, it doesn't... Unless you live in a country where it cost almost as double as in the US and the average wage for someone with a college degree is 9.75 American Dollars per hour ... Yeah, developing countries FTW!

[Laurysss]

These posts about amd cpus just pushing me to "suicide, you dont belong here with an amd cpu"

[Majestic]

Oh, man. This is such a bummer . I just bought my pc a month ago,i was in a hurry and on a tight budget, but I thought that 16gb of ram Hyperx, a Ssd, an average mobo and the FX 6300, paired with a good gpu like the 970, would be enough to run most of the games maxed put (excepted Witcher 3 like demanding games)... I feel so bummed . I mean the 960 will do the job, but it'll lack so hard, I think it can't even maxed out Witcher 3 .

Lesson learn just.f***ing save and don't buy in a rush </3.

Edit:

Ps: I wasn't saying that the 4690 has a bad value, it doesn't... Unless you live in a country where it cost almost as double as in the US and the average wage for someone with a college degree is 9.75 American Dollars per hour ... Yeah, developing countries FTW!

 

This is why the people who still say AMD is good value are shot down so vigorously. We hate seeing posts like this where someone bought something, with the help of bad advice, and feels cheated afterwards. That said, expecting a budget CPU to keep up with a high-end card is somewhere on the "caveat emptor" side of things.

 

Next time ask for advice prior to buying something. For now, get a 280 or 960 and just play some games. It will still run the latest games, just not on ultra settings or anything. Since you're on an AMD FX CPU though, and have no way of overclocking it. I would recommend buying an nvidia card. Their drivers have much less CPU overhead and it would help your CPU quite a bit.

 

 

These posts about amd cpus just pushing me to "suicide, you dont belong here with an amd cpu"

 

We don't dislike people owning AMD FX CPU's, we dislike people recommending them.

[Laurysss]

 

This is why the people who still say AMD is good value are shot down so vigorously. We hate seeing posts like this where someone bought something, with the help of bad advice, and feels cheated afterwards. That said, expecting a budget CPU to keep up with a high-end card is somewhere on the "caveat emptor" side of things.

 

Next time ask for advice prior to buying something. For now, get a 280 or 960 and just play some games. It will still run, just not on ultra settings or anything.

 

 

 

We don't dislike people owning AMD FX CPU's, we dislike people recommending them.

 

Why cant he just get a 970? Later he will upgrade his cpu. If he followed your advice but still wanted a 970, he would pay double. DF?

[Majestic]

Why cant he just get a 970? Later he will upgrade his cpu. If he followed your advice but still wanted a 970, he would pay double. DF?

 

Because it doesn't appear he has the sort of disposable income that would allow him to upgrade to an entirely new platform soon. Not buying a 970 now, puts more money towards a newer, more balanced system in the future. By the time he upgrades, new midrange cards will stomp the 970 and all that time he didn't really benefit from the 970 much.

 

It's bad value, that's why. Upgrading in phases is silly. 

 

@System_Of_A_Game don't you have some used market website in mexico? Picking up a used 760 or 770 would be the most ideal thing.

[System_Of_A_Game]

Because it doesn't appear he has the sort of disposable income that would allow him to upgrade to an entirely new platform soon. Not buying a 970 now, puts more money towards a newer, more balanced system in the future. By the time he upgrades, new midrange cards will stomp the 970 and all that time he didn't really benefit from the 970 much.

It's bad value, that's why. Upgrading in phases is silly.

Yup, broken ass college student here. Actually I bought my pc using my summer job savings and I had 800$ to get the best I could. I needed my pc for the college and some Autocad homework. And I, actually, was going to buy a 4690k, but then windows, office and, lucky me, a new monitor since the old one died, added a lot to my budget. So I had to cut it out of the mobo the cpu .

[Majestic]

Yup, broken ass college student here. Actually I bought my pc using my summer job savings and I had 800$ to get the best I could. I needed my pc for the college and some Autocad homework. And I, actually, was going to buy a 4690k, but then windows, office and, lucky me, a new monitor since the old one died, added a lot to my budget. So I had to cut it out of the mobo the cpu .

 

Well it will still be ok for those tasks, though autocad really doesn't scale well with cores (predominantly single-threaded). But I'd still suggest a 960 or a used 760/770 for cheap will be the best option. Buying a 970 would just be terribly unbalanced and would make you despise your earlier choices even more if you saw your game running 40 fps with 55% GPU load.

[System_Of_A_Game]

@System_Of_A_Game don't you have some used market website in mexico? Picking up a used 760 or 770 would be the most ideal thing.

Nah, the 9xx series was priced really aggressively here. It's cheaper to get a 960 than a 770. Besides the used marked here is so much more smaller, so the prices aren't really cost efficient.

I think I'll get the 960 it's only 200$ anyway.

Thanks for the advice!

[System_Of_A_Game]

I just checked out, and the 770 wouldn't be a bad idea, it's only 30$ more than the 960. But will my Psu handle the 770?

[Nena Trinity]

Yes but some games will have CPU bottleneck!

[Majestic]

I just checked out, and the 770 wouldn't be a bad idea, it's only 30$ more than the 960. But will my Psu handle the 770?

 

Yeah, should be fine. Do take note though, the 770 is kepler architecture. Newer games with gameworks features and more tessellation might run significantly better on a 960 which is Maxwell architecture. As you can see in the wither 3 and project cars

 

http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/chaostheory/2015/05/pcars/charts4/pcars_c_1920h.png

http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/chaostheory/2015/05/w3/charts6/w3m_medium_1920.png

 

I'd only really recommend the 770 if you're buying used. If you're buying new, get the latest.

[Laurysss]

@System_Of_A_Game what about the black market lol ? They probably dont go near pc's though.

 

Are you a mexican? What are the prices there?(cpus,gpus). And even if the prices are terrible, cant you order from ebay? Mexico is near america so the shipping doesnt cost much does it? And if you can tell me , what city you live in?

[Majestic]

 And even if the prices are terrible, cant you order from ebay? Mexico is near america so the shipping doesnt cost much does it?

 

Given mexico's reputation, i wouldn't be suprised if import/custom fee's are really high due to excessive screening for contraband.

[Laurysss]

Given mexico's reputation, i wouldn't be suprised if import/custom fee's are really high due to excessive screening for contraband.

Oh wait i forgot... America is shitting on mexico yeah .. Fucking hell.

[SteveGrabowski0]

That power supply looks like shit. 360W on the +12V rails. The fact that it includes only a single 6 pin PCIE connector while claiming to be 500W tells you how lousy that is.