Apple standardizing USB type c

[Kyuubixchidori]

There's a difference between hating innovation and questioning why humans are lazy enough to use a weaker connector...

I haven't heard anything about it being weaker..and even if it was, the 100 watts+10gigbit data transfer is more then enough for me to make up for a weaker connector

[TheMcSame]

Well I understand everyone has different opinions. What I don't understand is why you feel like changing the connector to work both ways is such a detriment to the design? That's what I got from your hyperbolic statement.

Small connectors are bad enough, they aren't strong at all. Small reversible connectors... That's asking to be broken. People praised Apple's reversible lightning connector and now... Well, general use will kill that off in about a month or so. I'll wait until the connector has proven itself before I start praising it.

[Guest]

they should turn pci ports to usb c because i have nowhere to plug my ipod

That makes no sense at all... 

[Sauron]

Could you name some?

 

MSI Z97A-Gaming 6. AsMedia ASM1142 controller.

[Guest]

Yes.

 

Wait two years, all new mobile devices will have USB-c ports on them.

[Arty]

USB type C is not ONLY about being reversible, its also about faster 10gbps throughput, 100w of charging power, and a smaller high quality connector, that also carrys 4k displayport signal

 

that means one cable can transfer data, charge a device and be a display cable - so instead of HDMI, USB and DCin. you have 1 USB C cable.. or even multiple USB C cables

usb c is 3.0 and 3.1 so not all usb c ports do 10gbs. linus talked about in couple wan shows ago.

[Bensemus]

Small connectors are bad enough, they aren't strong at all. Small reversible connectors... That's asking to be broken. People praised Apple's reversible lightning connector and now... Well, general use will kill that off in about a month or so. I'll wait until the connector has proven itself before I start praising it.

People are complaining that the cable brakes, not the actual connector. It being reversible and a solid piece of metal/plastic with leads on the surface is better then having a floating bit in the female end which goes inside the male end which goes inside the female end. 

[spwath]

Uh boy, did you guys see that Macbook?

Not a single USB port, (just that wonky C type) I wonder how many mad buyers there will be when they cant even use a flash drive to transfer their documents.

Makes me puzzled and why students would ever buy a Macbook for any reason now, literally its the equivalent of buying a large tablet now.

Except tablets have micro usb...

EDIT: and now that I'v researched it, i realize I'm the fool! (HAHA Tortured you FOOL!)

Still, 1 port?............1 port?

Nope, 2 ports. There is a headphone jack on other side.

Will it become a standard?

It is.

Will it become widely used?

Yes, but not on PCs, just on phones and tablets

Why?

Because USB 3.1 is superior as it has backwards compatibility with literally everything we use today that is USB, while type c needs an adapter.

[Jambls]

It will became the standard for phones and tablets although i don't see it taking over the laptop and desktop world due to backwards compatibility for usb2 beacuse keyboards and mice.

[spwath]

USB type C is not ONLY about being reversible, its also about faster 10gbps throughput, 100w of charging power, and a smaller high quality connector, that also carrys 4k displayport signal

that means one cable can transfer data, charge a device and be a display cable - so instead of HDMI, USB and DCin. you have 1 USB C cable.. or even multiple USB C cables

No no no, not this again.

Apple display connector anyone? (ADC)

@AMorassOfPixelz you know this?

The single cable used by apple for power, USB, and display to their monitors in the g4 era.

Nice concept, but 120$ adapter so you can plug the monitor into a regular PC.

[Guest]

No no no, not this again.

Apple display connector anyone? (ADC)

@AMorassOfPixelz you know this?

The single cable used by apple for power, USB, and display to their monitors in the g4 era.

Nice concept, but 120$ adapter so you can plug the monitor into a regular PC.

Yeah but this is an open standard.

[spwath]

Yeah but this is an open standard.

Right, that's better, but there wood have to be a lot of change in both graphics cards and monitors to make this work.

And you would have to get a bigger PSU depending on how many/what monitor you have

[MrSuperb]

Right, that's better, but there wood have to be a lot of change in both graphics cards and monitors to make this work.

And you would have to get a bigger PSU depending on how many/what monitor you have

 

why?

a USB-C port on the mainboard (especially with notebooks - desktops are dying anyway) won't be much trouble at all.

and your monitor could also either have a USB-C port or just keep on using HDMI / DP ?!

 

edit:

your notebook most likely won't power an external display, but rather the other way around. (monitor acting as power brick for your notebook)

[MrSuperb]

One should mention thought, that even Skylake (!) WON'T natively support USB 3.1 speeds (just 3.0)

[ShadowCaptain]

No no no, not this again

 

what are you talking about this is an open standard that people are already adopting, this WILL become the standard and it does not need special adapters

[Guest]

Right, that's better, but there wood have to be a lot of change in both graphics cards and monitors to make this work.

And you would have to get a bigger PSU depending on how many/what monitor you have

Would*

Also, an adapter can turn the USB-C into almost anything - the port can carry data, power, and both digital/analogue video signals.

[Norman_the_Owl]

USB C is a standard, and motherboards using it were announced before apple used it as the only port in their crapmacbook.

 

Will it be as widely used as usb 2 or even usb 3? Not at all. Not for a few years at least.

 

 

excuse me?

USB 3.1 != USB-C

 

C is just a connector, it has nothing to do with the bandwith. The Nokia N1 has a USB 2.0 Type C port.

[Sauron]

USB 3.1 != USB-C

 

C is just a connector, it has nothing to do with the bandwith. The Nokia N1 has a USB 2.0 Type C port.

 

That doesn't really change my point, does it? There are motherboards with 3.1 type c.

[Norman_the_Owl]

That doesn't really change my point, does it? There are motherboards with 3.1 type c.

I'm just correcting you, you made it seem like USB 2.0/3.0 aren't compatible with type c

[othertomperson]

If they put it on iPhones, they'll gimp the compatibility somehow. That's my prediction. You'll need some kind of special apple-certified cable or it won't work.

 

Considering they've been legally compelled not to do exactly this by the European courts, probably not.

 

I don't see why you're complaining though. Personally I'm overjoyed that my iPhone 4 didn't have micro-usb like every other phone of the era. It still bloody works. My iPod Classic that I got when I was still in school still works, and that sure as hell wouldn't if it were micro-usb.

[Glenwing]

Considering they've been legally compelled not to do exactly this by the European courts, probably not.

 

I don't see why you're complaining though. Personally I'm overjoyed that my iPhone 4 didn't have micro-usb like every other phone of the era. It still bloody works. My iPod Classic that I got when I was still in school still works, and that sure as hell wouldn't if it were micro-usb.

 

Not complaining, just predicting. It's their MO. Personally I do like the lightning connector a lot better than Micro USB or (from what I've seen so far) Type-C. Not giving it the capability to carry USB 3.0 was kind of a design fail though, considering when they released the iPhone 5 they had just updated all the Mac lines to USB 3.0 months previously.

[othertomperson]

Not complaining, just predicting. It's their MO. Personally I do like the lightning connector a lot better than Micro USB or (from what I've seen so far) Type-C. Not giving it the capability to carry USB 3.0 was kind of a design fail though, considering when they released the iPhone 5 they had just updated all the Mac lines to USB 3.0 months previously.

 

We'll see. That would, however, involve making a separate model with a different connector just for Europe, which would be more expensive and pointless.

[Sauron]

I'm just correcting you, you made it seem like USB 2.0/3.0 aren't compatible with type c

 

I probably could have said that better, I meant the 2.0 type A format which is pretty ubiquitous. Or even the less used type A 3.0.

[Peepnbrick]

It's questionable whether Apple will use USB C on their IOS devices, since they only introduced the lightning connector 3 generations ago. And if we all remember how the public reacted to the connector switch then, Apple won't want to deal with that.

 

Switching again will also fragment their user base in terms of compatibility. The user base is already split between the old and new connector, and if they change again, things are just going to get worse. This is the exact opposite of what Apple wants. They always stress how a high percentage of their install base is using the latest version compared to Android. They like things to be coherent, so they can have control over as much as possible.

[ShadowCaptain]

It's questionable whether Apple will use USB C on their IOS devices, since they only introduced the lightning connector 3 generations ago. And if we all remember how the public reacted to the connector switch then, Apple won't want to deal with that.

 

Switching again will also fragment their user base in terms of compatibility. The user base is already split between the old and new connector, and if they change again, things are just going to get worse. This is the exact opposite of what Apple wants. They always stress how a high percentage of their install base is using the latest version compared to Android. They like things to be coherent, so they can have control over as much as possible.

 

It eventually will, I pretty much guarantee it

 

I mean changing from Magsafe to USB C on a macbook is.. well probably the biggest change apple has ever done and renders all previous laptop chargers utterly useless