A fine line .

[zappian]

This is a very important topic I want to discuss , however I would appreciate if you kept your responses civil and moderate . Its just my opinion at the end of the day you are free to disagree.

 

Well some months ago I saw a fractal case ad/ pre roll on one of jayz two cents videos . I think it was the define R5 but I might be wrong.

I dont know the exact timings on this but he had a review of the same product on the pre roll up on his channel.

Now That leaves one to wonder if he was receiving ad revenue before the review was posted.

This doesn't happen just with him , I have an issue with the linus sponsored intel builds where he recommends SSDS( The intel 730s)

Well you might notice that here and on build a pc no one recommends the intel 730s for builds . They are quite slower than similarly priced crucial or samsung SSDS.

Yet linus recommends them on every intel sponsored build log.

I have nothing against him making some money and getting some parts for the review of course thats cool and all but the bottom line is.

DONT TAKE ONE SINGLE SOURCE AT FACE VALUE.

Research multiple sources to get your opinions .

There is a very fine line of bias on tech reviews sometimes where you don't know if you are dealing with a personal opinion or if what´s being presented is clouded somehow.

Transparency is important , and being able to check results/opinions from other sources is very important.

Dont take Linus word as ghospel , or jayz for that matter , or pauls hardware.

 

EDIT: 

Intel 730 vs 850 EVO

http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-850-Evo-250GB-vs-Intel-730-Series-240GB/2977vs2031

[CoolaxGaming]

Arent Intel SSDS known for their consistency?

Samsungs consistency is thrown out of the window and Crucial is meh

[beebskadoo]

I'm quite partial to PCper.

[the jolly roger]

well, they have familys, and kids, so im ok with them say gibber jabber about a product because they get paid, bacause i understand

[Lolzious]

They gotta make money some how...

I never use sponsored tech reviewers to form an opinion on a product before I buy it.

[LegacyStijncat]

Actually, I agree with you @zappian. Linus is recommending things, but actually it's the evil spirit of advertisement that makes him recommend it, not Linus. I'm okay with him doing brand deals, but it shouldn't look like Linus is actually the product's biggest fan.

What if Linus for example, would have a visible, but subtle S on the top of the screen, when what he says is sponsored/biased. That would be a solution.

Edited April 8, 2015 by Stijncat

[minibois]

Oh, but that is always very important.

You should always research before buying and should not only believe what 1 reviewers says about a product

[Manny Calavera]

Well problem is, he named it "intel blablabla build". So he used intel ssd.

Well at least you get the reliability, speed, warranty and...looks

 

But I agree, many times you see builds that are just stupid, that any builder on LTT would have done better. Not only sponsored ones, but people on youtube with thousands of followers, doing very bad builds and telling half-truths etc...

[AMICLG]

Arent Intel SSDS known for their consistency?

Samsungs consistency is thrown out of the window and Crucial is meh

The Pro series are the best SATA SSDs but the EVOs are meh, Intel SSDs are very consistent and reliable as long as your not writing a metric ton of data to them (around a petabyte).

[Raudi_]

This is a very important topic I want to discuss , however I would appreciate if you kept your responses civil and moderate . Its just my opinion at the end of the day you are free to disagree.

 

Well some months ago I saw a fractal case ad/ pre roll on one of jayz two cents videos . I think it was the define R5 but I might be wrong.

I dont know the exact timings on this but he had a review of the same product on the pre roll up on his channel.

Now That leaves one to wonder if he was receiving ad revenue before the review was posted.

This doesn't happen just with him , I have an issue with the linus sponsored intel builds where he recommends SSDS( The intel 730s)

Well you might notice that here and on build a pc no one recommends the intel 730s for builds . They are quite slower than similarly priced crucial or samsung SSDS.

Yet linus recommends them on every intel sponsored build log.

I have nothing against him making some money and getting some parts for the review of course thats cool and all but the bottom line is.

DONT TAKE ONE SINGLE SOURCE AT FACE VALUE.

Research multiple sources to get your opinions .

There is a very fine line of bias on tech reviews sometimes where you don't know if you are dealing with a personal opinion or if what´s being presented is clouded somehow.

Transparency is important , and being able to check results/opinions from other sources is very important.

Dont take Linus word as ghospel , or jayz for that matter , or pauls hardware.

 

EDIT: 

Intel 730 vs 850 EVO

http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-850-Evo-250GB-vs-Intel-730-Series-240GB/2977vs2031

It's called paid advertising, they rely on that to take care of their family and there employees and live there life.

Don't like it don't watch and don't pay attention to any of it.

 

[CoolaxGaming]

The Pro series are the best SATA SSDs but the EVOs are meh, Intel SSDs are very consistent and reliable as long as your not writing a metric ton of data to them (around a petabyte).

Yeah TLC cant be shitier

[Gofspar]

this thread lol

[Nup]

Certainly a good point. 

 

I think that most people in the tech community do have the forethought to research, and use videos like Linus' to begin their research. 

 

As for ads... thy're a tricky thing alright. But The way they are done these days is just enough to differentiate them from the actual content of the video., 

[Misanthrope]

My feelings where similar when we had the Kingston switching controllers scandal yet Linus continued to have them as a major sponsor for a trade show (can't remember which). Or when he was pushing both Hulu and that VPN hotspot simultaneously when Hulu was clearly denouncing vpn providers and actively tries to block them.

 

Or when he had a little bit of a beef with AMD after he gave a card a terrible review and was conveniently left out of the 295x2 party and then found what I thought was an excuse to recommend Nvidia cards instead for a 4k gaming build (Almost nobody gives a shit about the shield thingie, not back then when it was a stupid oversized gameboy and there was no tablet) 

 

I could go on actually, in fact I could name similar beefs with most youtubers I follow, that's why I follow multiple people on tech. Occasionally it gets annoying on embargo dates but other than that I like having a diverse group of people commenting on stuff.

[JuztBe]

I'm against it, there should be as less as possible of this. But I understand why it's happening.
As long as they are not recommending total crap, like V300, it's fine.

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

Linus has removed sponsors which he has gotten negative feedback, just because he's using a pre roll ad for GTX 960 doesn't mean it's the best, there are other options out there, he's merely letting his audience know about the product like all his other videos and the point of sponsor spots., its not what's the best, it's about letting people know about the product that's being sponsored  

EDIT : if you want his opinion , watch his videos, not his pre roll adds. no one is forcing you to use hotspot shield, there are other VPN out there, doesn't mean it's a terrible choice and should not be used. if those Intel SSD's are not that bad or defective 

[zappian]

It's called paid advertising, they rely on that to take care of their family and there employees and live there life.

Don't like it don't watch and don't pay attention to any of it.

 

 

I ignore the recommendations on the build logs honestly because they are sponsored.

That "dont like it , dont complain " argument is a logical fallacy of great magnitude.

People should discuss things that they don't like as much as things they like.

How are we to expect any change otherwise.

I watch the build log videos because they are entertaining not as a means of getting recommendations.

Now the people that follow them as gospel , thats a problem .

[Misanthrope]

As another 2 cents on Jayz 2 cents: I think he should seek and disclose sponsorships more often like he did with Skunkworks for example. I like to know right off the bad "Yes Corsair is our sponsor, so they kindly provided PSU, case, AIO and RAM for our build!" as opposed to I've chosen intel for their performance....btw buy intel now for this tshirt!

 

Sounds similar but there's a subtle yet important difference. 

[Manny Calavera]

Certainly a good point. 

 

I think that most people in the tech community do have the forethought to research, and use videos like Linus' to begin their research. 

 

As for ads... thy're a tricky thing alright. But The way they are done these days is just enough to differentiate them from the actual content of the video., 

This is how we end up here >_<

 At least people come here for build reviews so its all good.

 

About content... that "is aftermaket cooling worth it" was really shit and would do a little with cpu cooler sponsors lol.

[othertomperson]

This is a very important topic I want to discuss , however I would appreciate if you kept your responses civil and moderate . Its just my opinion at the end of the day you are free to disagree.

 

Well some months ago I saw a fractal case ad/ pre roll on one of jayz two cents videos . I think it was the define R5 but I might be wrong.

I dont know the exact timings on this but he had a review of the same product on the pre roll up on his channel.

Now That leaves one to wonder if he was receiving ad revenue before the review was posted.

This doesn't happen just with him , I have an issue with the linus sponsored intel builds where he recommends SSDS( The intel 730s)

Well you might notice that here and on build a pc no one recommends the intel 730s for builds . They are quite slower than similarly priced crucial or samsung SSDS.

Yet linus recommends them on every intel sponsored build log.

I have nothing against him making some money and getting some parts for the review of course thats cool and all but the bottom line is.

DONT TAKE ONE SINGLE SOURCE AT FACE VALUE.

Research multiple sources to get your opinions .

There is a very fine line of bias on tech reviews sometimes where you don't know if you are dealing with a personal opinion or if what´s being presented is clouded somehow.

Transparency is important , and being able to check results/opinions from other sources is very important.

Dont take Linus word as ghospel , or jayz for that matter , or pauls hardware.

 

EDIT: 

Intel 730 vs 850 EVO

http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-850-Evo-250GB-vs-Intel-730-Series-240GB/2977vs2031

 

There is a massive conflict of interest with all of the tech YouTubers, including Linus. These are the people giving their verdict on different products, and offering advice on said products to consumers, but the videos which they use as a vehicle to do this are paid for by those companies being critiqued in the content. It is incredibly shady, anti-consumer and just downright uncomfortable. Linus at least makes an effort to be forthcoming about who paid for what video, but I can't say that I find this entirely mitigating.

[Misanthrope]

There is a massive conflict of interest with all of the tech YouTubers, including Linus. These are the people giving their verdict on different products, and offering advice on said products to consumers, but the videos which they use as a vehicle to do this are paid for by those companies being critiqued in the content. It is incredibly shady, anti-consumer and just downright uncomfortable. Linus at least makes an effort to be forthcoming about who paid for what video, but I can't say that I find this entirely mitigating.

 

What do you think about guys going further than that? I mean we all like Fractal Josh and Sapphire Ed and JJ from Asus and stuff but that's an even bigger conflict to have them being very close and actively involved in the community. Or do you see that as a lesser problem than direct sponsorship and adds?

[zappian]

There is a massive conflict of interest with all of the tech YouTubers, including Linus. These are the people giving their verdict on different products, and offering advice on said products to consumers, but the videos which they use as a vehicle to do this are paid for by those companies being critiqued in the content. It is incredibly shady, anti-consumer and just downright uncomfortable. Linus at least makes an effort to be forthcoming about who paid for what video, but I can't say that I find this entirely mitigating.

 

The conflict of interest is very real.

Total biscuit didnt review a game because the publisher of said game sent him a top of the line gaming laptop , or wanted to, with the game installed.

He closed his PO box after that.

[othertomperson]

What do you think about guys going further than that? I mean we all like Fractal Josh and Sapphire Ed and JJ from Asus and stuff but that's an even bigger conflict to have them being very close and actively involved in the community. Or do you see that as a lesser problem than direct sponsorship and adds?

 

On the one hand, it's a very valid concern. On the other, I dunno at least they're there in a PR capacity and generally aren't directly involved in a specific endorsement of a particular product? I dunno, the whole thing makes me feel uneasy.

[Misanthrope]

This is the THIRD FUCKING TIME I try to post the reply so I apologize in advance from what I'm sure it will be triple post: the database it's just being a moody fucking bitch today, refuses to update.

 

On the one hand, it's a very valid concern. On the other, I dunno at least they're there in a PR capacity and generally aren't directly involved in a specific endorsement of a particular product? I dunno, the whole thing makes me feel uneasy.

 
Some of the times, but then you have JJ that directly shows on tech videos to talk (and he talks, a lot) about Asus products specifically under the excuse that there's a new z97 architecture release.

[GrimNeo]

This is a very important topic I want to discuss , however I would appreciate if you kept your responses civil and moderate . Its just my opinion at the end of the day you are free to disagree.

 

Well some months ago I saw a fractal case ad/ pre roll on one of jayz two cents videos . I think it was the define R5 but I might be wrong.

I dont know the exact timings on this but he had a review of the same product on the pre roll up on his channel.

Now That leaves one to wonder if he was receiving ad revenue before the review was posted.

This doesn't happen just with him , I have an issue with the linus sponsored intel builds where he recommends SSDS( The intel 730s)

Well you might notice that here and on build a pc no one recommends the intel 730s for builds . They are quite slower than similarly priced crucial or samsung SSDS.

Yet linus recommends them on every intel sponsored build log.

I have nothing against him making some money and getting some parts for the review of course thats cool and all but the bottom line is.

DONT TAKE ONE SINGLE SOURCE AT FACE VALUE.

Research multiple sources to get your opinions .

There is a very fine line of bias on tech reviews sometimes where you don't know if you are dealing with a personal opinion or if what´s being presented is clouded somehow.

Transparency is important , and being able to check results/opinions from other sources is very important.

Dont take Linus word as ghospel , or jayz for that matter , or pauls hardware.

 

EDIT: 

Intel 730 vs 850 EVO

http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-850-Evo-250GB-vs-Intel-730-Series-240GB/2977vs2031

I understand why Linus does it because Intel is a major sponsor. No one really complains when Intel does a giveaway on LTT. It's always up to the consumer to do their own research and not follow as blind sheep. Lets look at this way. You have only have two choices for jobs. One job that will pay for all the bills and set you up with a good retirement but it's a job you hate or you can work at a job that you love but pays minimum wage. Which one would you choose? There is no wrong answer and but most people will choose the job that pays more for several reasons. Would you risk losing everything for a job you love? Linus Media Group is a business and Linus has to pay his employees. Linus also has a family. Linus said before he took a pay cut to do this because he loves running LinusTechTips. I'm fine with watching those Intel sponsored videos because I understand why he does it.