Official Nvidia GTX 970 Discussion Thread

[Guest Kloaked]

Yeah but even with the true specs it is a very good price/preformence card

it is not always the specs which makes a card good

That's what I was implying...

[Guest Kloaked]

This boys and girls is what you call fanboyism.

"no its ok they completely lied about this cause ya kno...its fast...so...so..its ok."

Lol. You kids need to grow up man.

[79wjd]

This boys and girls is what you call fanboyism.

 

"no its ok they completely lied about this cause ya kno...its fast...so...so..its ok."

There is a difference between being annoyed/upset/mad for being lied to and being a sensationalist uppity five year old having a temper tantrum because they're getting the exact same performance they paid for with a slightly different spec sheet. 

 

 

Ladies and gentlemen, this is the new standard of techies.

Really, So you're saying we should all buy things based on specs? Well, shit...I better sell my rig and upgrade to an FX9590. 

[Colonel_Gerdauf]

This boys and girls is what you call fanboyism.

"no its ok they completely lied about this cause ya kno...its fast...so...so..its ok."

A little FYI: there is a pretty stark difference between being a fanboy and being reasonable. If it applies to one end of the spectrum, then it applies to the other, by definition.

[Shahnewaz]

Really, So you're saying we should all buy things based on specs? Well, shit...I better sell my rig and upgrade to an FX9590. 

Oh look, your techie level is over 9000! :lol:

You beat both of the aforementioned hands down!

 

Who needs standards when you have tech gods like djdwosk97 ?

Edited January 27, 2015 by Shahnewaz

[Brainless906]

A little FYI: there is a pretty stark difference between being a fanboy and being reasonable. If it applies to one end of the spectrum, then it applies to the other, by definition.

 

There is a difference between being annoyed/upset/mad for being lied to and being a sensationalist uppity five year old having a temper tantrum because they're getting the exact same performance they paid for with a slightly different spec sheet. 

 

 

Really, So you're saying we should all buy things based on specs? Well, shit...I better sell my rig and upgrade to an FX9590. 

 

Lol. You kids need to grow up man.

 

 

Grow up? Excuse me? I'm not the one trying to defend a massive company completely lying to its userbase then trying to throw its marketing team under the bus.

I dont give a damn which team you're on or how much "real performance" wasn't lost, they straight up, 100 percent, lied to our faces in the name of selling more cards.

That is not cool regardless of red or green and the fact that you people are so enthusiastic to defend it is insane.

[Faa]

1664 iirc

 

Your shitty card has 600~ less cuda cores than my 780...your card is crap. 

 

 

I still don't know what a ROP is, what a CUDA core does, or how graphics even get made. 

 

All I know is my FPS counter says 60 and I crash into helicopters on BF4 with impunity. So sue me that I don't feel cheated on by Nvidia. Woe is me. I don't know how I'll survive. 

I actually came from a 780 SLI setup, honestly when the 970 got released I saw people here saying it's faster than the 780/290x etc so I took their word for it and I watched the power consumption/noise results. I just upgraded for a card that was quieter with the semi-passive fan feature >.>

I never gave a damn about that extra 1GB, seriously weren't 780 or 780 Ti's not enough for 4K? 

This issue is actually a good thing for me, I can get it replaced and pay a bit more for a 980 or perhaps get it for free because they only have 980's as a working 4GB card (they don't sell AMD) nor their CPU's).

By the way, if the ROPs aren't lasercut they can be re-enabled with a firmware update to fix this issue like Gigabyte did - so lets freaking wait for a response instead of trolling a thread like many here are doing.

[Lays]

This issue is actually a good thing for me, I can get it replaced and pay a bit more for a 980 or perhaps get it for free because they only have 980's as a working 4GB card (they don't sell AMD) nor their CPU's).

By the way, if the ROPs aren't lasercut they can be re-enabled with a firmware update to fix this issue like Gigabyte did - so lets freaking wait for a response instead of trolling a thread like many here are doing.

 

 

wat

[79wjd]

Grow up? Excuse me? I'm not the one trying to defend a massive company completely lying to its userbase then trying to throw its marketing team under the bus.

I dont give a damn which team you're on or how much "real performance" wasn't lost, they straight up, 100 percent, lied to our faces in the name of selling more cards.

That is not cool regardless of red or green and the fact that you people are so enthusiastic to defend it is insane.

Again, I'm not saying what Nvidia did was right. Nor am I saying that we shouldn't give them shit for lying about specs. But this whole thread is doing that on the basis that they gave us a shitty card and it doesn't perform the way it was supposed to because of specs, and that they misled us about it's performance by telling us it had more ROPs than it actually does. Now the issue is, that you shouldn't be buying a product based on a spec list as it doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot. And it's not like they physically changed the card after the reviews were out like Kingston did with the V300, they merely listed the wrong specs. Theres a very big difference there. All the benchmarks that were released up until this point are still a 100% accurate representation of the cards performance. 

 

I actually came from a 780 SLI setup, honestly when the 970 got released I saw people here saying it's faster than the 780/290x etc so I took their word for it and I watched the power consumption/noise results. I just upgraded for a card that was quieter with the semi-passive fan feature >.>

I never gave a damn about that extra 1GB, seriously weren't 780 or 780 Ti's not enough for 4K? 

This issue is actually a good thing for me, I can get it replaced and pay a bit more for a 980 or perhaps get it for free because they only have 980's as a working 4GB card (they don't sell AMD) nor their CPU's).

By the way, if the ROPs aren't lasercut they can be re-enabled with a firmware update to fix this issue like Gigabyte did - so lets freaking wait for a response instead of trolling a thread like many here are doing.

780s really weren't enough for 4k, and neither is the 970. 

Wait, Gigabyte renabled the 8 missing ROPs? 

[bogus]

Do you buy a card based on the specs or benchmarks? I don't even know how many cuda cores my 970 has >.>

That's your problem. Not mine. And clearly not the Consumers problem.

I, for example, like to check the specs when I purchase products, for I'm entitled to see them and the manufacturer has to display it. Because I'm a informed consumer, and the law gives me rights to be one.

Example:

 

When I buy Smartphones it's one of the first things that I check is the specs - what soc it has, ram, camera, OS version, etc.

[Faa]

780s really weren't enough for 4k, and neither is the 970. 

Wait, Gigabyte renabled the 8 missing ROPs? 

I heard they released a firmware that fixed it.

[79wjd]

That's your problem. Not mine. And clearly not the Consumers problem.

I, for example, like to check the specs when I purchase products.

Example:

 

When I buy Smartphones it's one of the first things that I check is the specs - what soc it has, ram, camera, OS version, etc.

And then you buy the phone with the "better" specs even though the onee with lower specs actually performs better.

 

 

I heard they released a firmware that fixed it.

I can't seem to find anything about a recent firmware update...did they do it a long time ago? 

[Lays]

And then you buy the phone with the "better" specs even though the onee with lower specs actually performs better.

 

 

I can't seem to find anything about a recent firmware update...did they do it a long time ago? 

 

 

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/806255/geforce-900-series/psa-gigabyte-has-just-released-new-bios-update-for-all-gtx-970s/

[bogus]

And then you buy the phone with the "better" specs even though the onee with lower specs actually performs better.

 

I buy what ever I want, it's my money.

 

If I want to buy a phone with the shittiest performance ever made, as long as I don't get lied to - for example claiming it has one SoC, but has other - it's my problem. If I buy a laptop that claims it has a GPU A and I receive one with the GPU B, and both have the same performance - I have the right for a refund, because I wanted GPU A. Not B. A.

Easy, right?

[wpirobotbuilder]

If a single person here picked the card based on the exact number of functional units the chip had, let their voice be heard.

 

Unfortunately, your options for GPUs that will let you game at your desired resolution/details/framerate haven't changed at all. Your choices are either to give your money to AMD for an equivalent card, or to buy another Nvdia card (which you probably won't do, if you're actually upset).

 

Switch over to AMD, and vote with your wallets.

[79wjd]

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/806255/geforce-900-series/psa-gigabyte-has-just-released-new-bios-update-for-all-gtx-970s/

Thank you. 

[Trik'Stari]

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/806255/geforce-900-series/psa-gigabyte-has-just-released-new-bios-update-for-all-gtx-970s/

I wonder if/when the Strix will get a fix.

 

If a single person here picked the card based on the exact number of functional units the chip had, let their voice be heard.

 

Unfortunately, your options for GPUs that will let you game at your desired resolution/details/framerate haven't changed at all. Your choices are either to give your money to AMD for an equivalent card, or to buy another Nvdia card (which you probably won't do, if you're actually upset).

 

Switch over to AMD, and vote with your wallets.

Maybe for CPU's when the next chipset comes out, not chancing their GPU's, too much of a reputation for bad drivers for my liking.

 

Not going to debate this, just my opinion on the AMD GPU's.

[Razzaa]

This guy seems to like his card with Vram @ full load playing 4k,

 

[Shahnewaz]

This issue is actually a good thing for me, I can get it replaced and pay a bit more for a 980 or perhaps get it for free because they only have 980's as a working 4GB card (they don't sell AMD) nor their CPU's).

Wait what? How do you do that? The product is not defective, so they won't take returns anyway. Moreover, how do you even get the 980 for free, when they won't even take returns???

Unless you are part of the Nvidia Focus Group.

[Faa]

That's your problem. Not mine. And clearly not the Consumers problem.

I, for example, like to check the specs when I purchase products.

Example:

 

When I buy Smartphones it's one of the first things that I check is the specs - what soc it has, ram, camera, OS version, etc.

Says our AMD Mantle sensior vice-president on LTT who keeps lying about Mantle's performance or DirectX12 = Mantle and when it comes down to Nvidia they're looking at the specs instead of performance accusing them of falsely advertising. But when it comes to Mantle's performance, basically tested against AMD's own DirectX which is broken currently that AMD refuses to fix so they can sell Mantle, it's not false advertising. It's all GOOOOOOOOOOD like Richard Huddy tells their PR team after they lied.

Also the card is named to a processor, you're buying it for the processor which mainly is all about what performance it offers. Phones are not named to Qualcomm 6". Poor comparison.

Don't tell me you bought a 4000 rpm 120mm fan because the manufacturer listed it as a 25 dBa fan. Do you perhaps own an AMD CPU something fishy like a 8350? That would reveal your intelligence.

 

 

Wait what? How do you do that? The product is not defective, so they won't take returns anyway. Moreover, how do you even get the 980 for free, when they won't even take returns???

Unless you are part of the Nvidia Focus Group.

I said perhaps, still gotta ask. http://www.tones.be/producten/grafische-kaarten

They don't have any true 4GB card I can replace my card with.

[Bloodkil933]

Wait what? How do you do that? The product is not defective, so they won't take returns anyway. Moreover, how do you even get the 980 for free, when they won't even take returns???

Unless you are part of the Nvidia Focus Group.

 

 

Says our AMD Mantle sensior vice-president on LTT who keeps lying about Mantle's performance or DirectX12 = Mantle and when it comes down to Nvidia they're looking at the specs instead of performance accusing them of falsely advertising. But when it comes to Mantle's performance, basically tested against AMD's own DirectX which is broken currently that AMD refuses to fix so they can sell Mantle, it's not false advertising. It's all GOOOOOOOOOOD like Richard Huddy tells their PR team after they lied.

Also the card is named to a processor, you're buying it for the processor which mainly is all about what performance it offers. Phones are not named to Qualcomm 6". Poor comparison.

Don't tell me you bought a 4000 rpm 120mm fan because the manufacturer listed it as a 25 dBa fan. Do you perhaps own an AMD CPU something fishy like a 8350? That would reveal your intelligence.

 

 

I said perhaps, still gotta ask. http://www.tones.be/producten/grafische-kaarten

They don't have any true 4GB card I can replace my card with.

 

 

You're now turning this on AMD? This is about Nvidia lying to their customers about the specifications of their card, AMD didn't lie about anything.

 

Also, you compared a 970 Strix to a 290 reference earlier, pick an aftermarket one next time, otherwise it's just biased. Lastly, giving out personal threats to anyone with AMD CPU's is just childish and pathetic.

[Guest Kloaked]

Grow up? Excuse me? I'm not the one trying to defend a massive company completely lying to its userbase then trying to throw its marketing team under the bus.

I dont give a damn which team you're on or how much "real performance" wasn't lost, they straight up, 100 percent, lied to our faces in the name of selling more cards.

That is not cool regardless of red or green and the fact that you people are so enthusiastic to defend it is insane.

Yes, you and people like you need to grow up. If those "real" specs were never researched and released, none of you would be bitching about the 970. Why? Because it's a good card. Nothing has changed since it's release. Every contracted reviewer gave it a thumbs up due to its performance per watt, overall performance in general and it's price point.

How are you going to tell me I'm defending a company that doesn't care about me? I'm looking at this rationally; so don't call me a fanboy or someone defending a company.

For fuck sake, I was supposedly "defending Ubisoft" for doing something good despite the p.o.s. game they released (Unity). You can be objective and rational and not be a "fanboy" or a company's white Knight.

Edit: I also doubt that they're throwing their marketing team under the bus. When you read something like that on the internet with little context, one would over sensationalize it's actual meaning. It seems like a simple miscommunication, possibly. It happens.

[geforceftw]

Don't graphics cards perform bad when all the v ram is populated?

[Extingquish]

Don't graphics cards perform bad when all the v ram is populated?

They shouldn't

[79wjd]

You're now turning this on AMD? This is about Nvidia lying to their customers about the specifications of their card, AMD didn't lie about anything.

 

Also, you compared a 970 Strix to a 290 reference earlier, pick an aftermarket one next time, otherwise it's just biased. Lastly, giving out personal threats to anyone with AMD CPU's is just childish and pathetic.

Nvidia lied about the specs of their card. AMD's reference cooler doesn't allow their card to reach it's max power output, so AMD crippled their card by offering an incapable cooler -- basically the same idea as crippling the memory system. 

 

Don't graphics cards perform bad when all the v ram is populated?

No? They perform badly when the game needs more VRAM than what is available. 

What you may be getting at is, some games will load stuff it MAY need into VRAM (if there is excess VRAM) and therefore has the potential to perform better (albeit slightly).