Do you think that Nvidia should recall 970's? (and Nvidia's response)

[chopdok]

you realize that all those things that you listed dont mean anything to the regular consumer, right?

Just because the 970 has 15% more ROPs than a 700 card doesnt mean it performs 15% better

 

 

Also the 780 and 780ti have the same number of ROPs does that mean they perform the same? NOPE

And they have the same vram does that mean they perform the same? NOPE

 

In fact since there are so many variables in the engineering of a GPU it is not an accurate measurement of value to count up the ROPs or cores or whatever the specs say because real world performance will always be different.

And what people care about is the performance, not a number on a specs sheet. This is excluding OP obviously, because he said he doesnt care about performance, just the specs.

I dont think you realise the role of ROP in GPU's performance. GTX 970 having more ROPs would not increase its pixel fillrate (amount of pixels card can process in second) - however, having more ROPs means GTX 970 will suffer lesser performance drop due to AA. There are many variables when buying a GPU, and expected performance drop due to AA in games with complex graphics is something that an educated buyer decides based on ROP count - in addition to other variables.

[TR1ALZ]

If I only want to game on single monitor 1080p, is the 970 still a decent card? Will the memory issue effect this particular set up?

[Enderman]

I get where you;re coming from, and it would be swell if it's just FPS drops. if it stutters and have wierd glitches like what has been shown now thats a no go at all. It's currently debatable as to whether this is a widespread/common issue, but as this is a recommendation to a friend who barely knows nuts, I have to be really careful.

Actually if it were for my own rig, i would think twice too. After all the main benefits of Nvidia cards just so happens to make use of vram in that case a 290X would be a better choice for me with it being 80  (singapore) dollars cheaper. 

TL;DR I'nm not saying this is a major issue, but honestly it just seems nvidia wanted to hit that 4GB mark to entice a certain niche of users (4k and ppl who want to future proof)

I can see the 3.5/4GB thing being upsetting to some people, but getting upset about the card specs being wrong is just completely absurd when it still performs the same as it should...

[d3sl91]

If I only want to game on single monitor 1080p, is the 970 still a decent card? Will the memory issue effect this particular set up?

Nope Take a look at benchmarks for whatever game you want, and that will tell you how the card will run.

 

For 1080P, one 970 is perfect

[Najuno]

If I only want to game on single monitor 1080p, is the 970 still a decent card? Will the memory issue effect this particular set up?

The GTX970 is a very potent card for 1080p so yes you can buy it.

[Old_Guy]

Deflate Gate

[Briggsy]

The GTX970 is a very potent card for 1080p so yes you can buy it.

 

yeah, just be careful what games you use DSR in.

[I/O]

Nope Take a look at benchmarks for whatever game you want, and that will tell you how the card will run.

 

For 1080P, one 970 is perfect

Ba it will crap our sooner for future game forcing an upgrade. 970 is a broke POS end of story !

[TR1ALZ]

Thanks for the replies  

[chopdok]

If I only want to game on single monitor 1080p, is the 970 still a decent card? Will the memory issue effect this particular set up?

Not at the moment, due to the fact that memory issue is not an issue with proper optimisation. As for the longevity - less ROP and VRAM, as far as 1080p is concerned, only means that at a certian point in the future, you will have to lower AA and texture settings more than if the card was as advertised. If you dont mind accepting the fact that in 2 years you will be playing without AA in some titles, then by all means, go for GTX 970. Despite everything being said, its still the best offering from nVidia at the moment. Its just not "amazing offering" like it was before, but rather another x70 series card.

[Najuno]

Everyone wants blood. And like to follow the herd. 

Yeah I guess you are right... that´s why it´s said that a single human being can be considered a intelligent being and many people sometimes not so much .

 

Albert Einstein:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."

[JustCallMeVlad]

Here ya go. The over 3.5GB part starts about halfway through.

If that video makes you mad you're obviously clueless. It's under 50fps. ofcourse it's going to run like crap lower

Show me a video of 100fps when loaded up over 3.5gb

[SteveGrabowski]

Yeah I guess you are right... that´s why it´s said that a single human being can be considered a intelligent being and many people sometimes not so much .

 

Albert Einstein:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."

 

I hate when people use that quote to make it sound like Einstein is calling everyone dumbasses.

[Najuno]

I hate when people use that quote to make it sound like Einstein is calling everyone dumbasses.

And I hate it when people carry such strong language in their member title... so I guess we all have our issues...

[Doughnutnator]

Yeah I agree, it a huge overreaction over an issue that doesnt affect or change anything...

Its causing people to argue irrationally, and as you can see some are going as far as saying "I don't care about the performance, I care about specs. I want the specs I paid for."

So fuck the specs because the "average" customer doesn't know what they mean?

Is a serious question.

I still want to know why you defend that position. I take the "I want what I paid for" because i'm a customer, and I think that everyone wants what they pay for as customers.

But hey, don't listen to me because i'm going far "arguing irrationally"

[Patrick Swayze]

I can see the 3.5/4GB thing being upsetting to some people, but getting upset about the card specs being wrong is just completely absurd when it still performs the same as it should...

 

If it met the advertised specs, it would perform better.

 

Anyway the issue is not about how the card performs, it is about how it was advertised. It was advertised falsely.

[Ex14]

I can see the 3.5/4GB thing being upsetting to some people, but getting upset about the card specs being wrong is just completely absurd when it still performs the same as it should...

For the majority part i agree, but there are some people who Plan on using it for 4K gaming  via SLI or maybe put abit more thought like me (omg narcissism ho) into using things like VSR or even for a potention future upgrade they're the ones who really got burned. 

But yea. alot of these people are just waving smoke around. Still tho, we should hold nvidia somewhat accountable for this. lest this happens in the future.

[d3sl91]

Ba it will crap our sooner for future game forcing an upgrade. 970 is a broke POS end of story !

No it won't. It's not broken. 

 

It will work exactly how it works now. Exactly how thhe benchmarks say, exactly how it was designed. You can't tell the future for computer parts. Just because something has 3, 4, 5, 6GB of ram doesnt mean anything. 

[Whorax]

If that video makes you mad you're obviously clueless. It's under 50fps. ofcourse it's going to run like crap lower

Show me a video of 100fps when loaded up over 3.5gb

I don't get unplayable artifacts and seizure causing screen glitches when under 50fps.

[SteveGrabowski]

And I hate it when people carry such strong language in their member title... so I guess we all have our issues...

 

It's a reference to Linus Torvalds talking about how Nvidia was the worst company he has ever worked with, which is why I have Linus' picture with it.

 

[Opask]

If that video makes you mad you're obviously clueless. It's under 50fps. ofcourse it's going to run like crap lower

Show me a video of 100fps when loaded up over 3.5gb

Dude what? I asked him for a video demonstrating this and he linked one. It is showing performance drops over 3.5gigs of vram. I don't see how showing something at over 100fps using over 3.5gigs would show us anything different.

[DarkRift5]

They should probably refund customers a little bit or give them a free game or something, and then re-brand any further chips made.

It's a bit far to recall that many video cards- they're not broken, it's an ad issue.

[Faceman]

I don't own a 970, but I definitely feel like Nvidia mislead its customers.

 

From a public relations standpoint, Nvidia was incredibly reactive, on something they should have been proactive about. This is a quote taken directly from the article in the original post:

 

"NVIDIA says this was an error in the reviewer’s guide and a misunderstanding between the engineering team and the technical PR team on how the architecture itself functioned."

 

For now, lets grant Nvidia the benefit of the doubt and say this is what really happened.

 

No one from engineering decided to come forward and tell anyone that there is a major disconnect between what is being advertised and the consumer is actually buying?  Sure, we live in the age where whistle blowing is considered uncouth, but this opens Nvidia up to potential lawsuits.  This is false advertising, and I don't believe their story about a disconnect between engineering and PR for a second.  They had months to disclose this to the public, but no, the public had to find out about the problem, then confront Nvidia, and they become reactive with this cockamamie story.

 

   I do think that if you got enough people to sign a petition, I'm talking tens of thousands, then contact a lawyer, this could get some traction.  I do think at the very least a credit towards your next Nvidia card should be given to those who bought a 970, as a minimum.

   This is a very fair compromise in my opinion.  Nvidia saves face by offering their consumers a reasonable remedy, and it entices customers to buy another GPU from Nvidia down the road.

 

This could be a two fold victory for Nvidia, lets just see how they handle it.  To do nothing, would be very, very bad PR.

[Briggsy]

Dude what? I asked him for a video demonstrating this and he linked one. It is showing performance drops over 3.5gigs of vram. I don't see how showing something at over 100fps using over 3.5gigs would show us anything different.

 

yeah, if anything there would be even more frame drops at a higher FPS. 

[d3sl91]

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Lol. Okay dude I love you too.