Please don't buy a 960

[TheKDub]

MSRP LOL. We all know you can't find a good 970 for MSRP or a 980 for that matter.

 

This thread is about 960s not 970s.

[WinNut]

inb4 total shitwar. Save yourselves while you can.

[I/O]

Honestly yeah pretty much can't disagree with this honestly the "960" should be the 950Ti cause it reminds me more of the 750Ti than the 660 or the 760... I really think "960" should be demoted to 950Ti and a true 960 should come out as a further cutdown 970/980 GM204

IMHO opinion the GTX960 should have been called a 960GT and sold at a discounted price.

[I/O]

This thread is about 960s not 970s.

Sigh in Canada you can get a POS blower crap 960 for $250 and that's the cheapest one.

[TheKDub]

Sigh in Canada you can get a POS blower crap 960 for $250 and that's the cheapest one.

 

Thats in canada, not america, pricing is different in different places.

 

all the 970s I'm seeing on amazon are around $200-220.

[I/O]

It will still me significantly more efficient than a 280x, around 120W compared to the 250W of the 280x.

Efficiency for some of us is not a metric we care about. I want performance for money bottom line

[I/O]

all the 970s I'm seeing on amazon are around $200-220.

Thats utter BS and BOLLOCKS !

[Swndlr]

True, but the limited 2gb of VRAM and $200 price point for something which competes with a 280x once it's (960) been heavily overclocked is a bit much. 

 

I agree. 

Please you went to Intel solely because AMD offers three+ year old chips or APUs. 

lol roast

[TheKDub]

Efficiency for some of us is not a metric we care about. I want performance for money bottom line

 

There are some who want very power efficient builds, or don't want to upgrade their psu to put in a gpu if they have a low power psu such as what plenty of pre-builts come with.

[Brood]

IMO it's still a good card. In our place, we don't get ANY discounts on GPUs (250$ r9 285) (473$ for a R9 290) (300$ for R9 280x) (435$ for GTX 970 G1 Gaming)

And from recent announcements from our Tech stores, they're releasing GTX 960s at about 210$ and probably 250$ for higher end versions.

I still think it has great Price:Performance, atleast here in our place (God bless the 475$ r9 290)

I'm thinking of buying one for Shadowplay, as I need something to record gameplay without reducing that much performance.

orrr I can just wait for the R9 370

[TheKDub]

Thats utter BS and BOLLOCKS !

 

Oops, meant 960s.

 

http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=10779868011 (Some ranging up to $260 or so, but those ones are ones you'd expect to be higher priced)

[PerfectTemplar]

Well, the 280x is about the same price in Australia and gives a tonne more performance, as well as the 285. The 960 doesn't need to exist in my opinion.

960 is faster.. Also @OP The 128bit bus isn't the same on maxwell as it is on Kepler, stop spouting shit that you don't understand.

[APrettyCoolWalrus]

inb4 NVIDIA vs AMD War 

there is no war, Nvidia turned the gun on theirself before the battle begun

[ACatWithThumbs]

Why ? because of the lack of memory and pathetic 128 bit bus and the overpriced nature. Wait for the new AMD cards down the road or just go with a 970. The 960 is another failed before it even started overpriced POS from nvidia. 

Yes, it's to expensive for the performance but the memory bus isn't pathetic at all.

Maxwell memory is way faster a 128bit/7Ghz Maxwell bus is about the same as the stock 256bit/6ghz bus of the 600 series.

Same goes with the 256bit bus on the 980 compared to the 386bit on the 780.

 

[Suika]

Have you not met I/O?

 

He's about as much of an AMD fanboy as one can be.

Yea, I've never met a fanboy so blind until I met I/O lol.

 

I like the GTX 960. Lower TDP with a higher performance. Cheaper than the 760 at launch, and it's only going to get cheaper, I wouldn't be surprised to find it for GTX 750 Ti prices in a short while. I mean yea you can buy an AMD card that offers more performance but it's basically double the TDP for not that much more power lmao.

 

Why ? because of the lack of memory and pathetic 128 bit bus and the overpriced nature. Wait for the new AMD cards down the road or just go with a 970. The 960 is another failed before it even started overpriced POS from nvidia. 

2GB is probably all this card can power tbh (a 4GB GTX 760 is dumb, don't argue it), you have no clue what you're talking about with the bus width, because the GTX 660 had a slightly larger bus but still only 2GB and none of NVIDIA's magic juju memory mangament, like how the 970 and 980 have a 256-bit bus with 4GB of VRAM. As I mentioned previously the MSRP is $199 so chances are you can find it for $150 in, what, two months? For $150 I'd say that's extremely worth it.

[79wjd]

Yea, I've never met a fanboy so blind until I met I/O lol.

 

I like the GTX 960. Lower TDP with a higher performance. Cheaper than the 760 at launch, and it's only going to get cheaper, I wouldn't be surprised to find it for GTX 750 Ti prices in a short while. I mean yea you can buy an AMD card that offers more performance but it's basically double the TDP for not that much more power lmao.

 

2GB is probably all this card can power tbh (a 4GB GTX 760 is dumb, don't argue it), you have no clue what you're talking about with the bus width, because the GTX 660 had a slightly larger bus but still only 2GB and none of NVIDIA's magic juju memory mangament, like how the 970 and 980 have a 256-bit bus with 4GB of VRAM. As I mentioned previously the MSRP is $199 so chances are you can find it for $150 in, what, two months? For $150 I'd say that's extremely worth it.

Well SLI 960s would certainly benefit from 4gb, and at 280x speeds you can run 1080p at ultra, which is starting to need more than 2gb of VRAM.

[GloriousPain]

IMHO opinion the GTX960 should have been called a 960GT and sold at a discounted price.

Pricing wise it's still lower than most X60 class cards were at launch I just don't think it should be an X60 class card 

[EpicAdom]

At $200, beating a 760, and being more efficient, I'd say it would be a viable upgrade for plenty of people.

 

Just because you dislike a card or find that it is weak doesn't mean it is a bad card for absolutely everyone.

this ^

[Suika]

Well SLI 960s would certainly benefit from 4gb, and at 280x speeds you can run 1080p at ultra, which is starting to need more than 2gb of VRAM.

Not really, at least unless you have evidence to support it. I haven't found any credible benchmark of a higher VRAM card being able to utilize the additional VRAM over a similar variant. I did find a single case where there was a difference, but the difference was 2GB at 6FPS and 4GB at 10FPS, which wasn't enough to fully support the argument on getting higher VRAM equipped cards. A GTX 770 couldn't use more than 4GB on its own, I couldn't imagine SLI being able to bring it that much more power. The 960 is still probably weaker than a 770, too.

[soaringchicken]

960 is faster.. Also @OP The 128bit bus isn't the same on maxwell as it is on Kepler, stop spouting shit that you don't understand.

The 280x is faster? And is in some cases is less than the 960.

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[I/O]

The 280x is faster? And is in some cases is less than the 960.

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It don't matter. R9 290X is still keeping up with GTX 980 @ 4K so the juice nvidia is selling is just another hyped up gimmick sold by morons like Tom Peterson.

[79wjd]

It don't matter. R9 290X is still keeping up with GTX 980 @ 4K so the juice nvidia is selling is just another hyped up gimmick sold by morons like Tom Peterson.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1056?vs=1351

 

Okay. And thats forgetting that 980s overclock better than 290xs. 

[I/O]

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1056?vs=1351

 

Okay. And thats forgetting that 980s overclock better than 290xs. 

Thanx for showing the staying power of AMD Radeon R9 GPUs.

[PerfectTemplar]

It don't matter. R9 290X is still keeping up with GTX 980 @ 4K so the juice nvidia is selling is just another hyped up gimmick sold by morons like Tom Peterson.

970 is faster than the 290X, it is the same price if not a little cheaper and uses much less power.

[Suika]

The 280x is faster? And is in some cases is less than the 960.

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That second benchmark looks sketchy considering how the GTX 780 lost to a 280X. I mean yea there isn't a huge performance gap between the two, but the GTX 780 is still considerably stronger.

 

I don't doubt the 280X being stronger, but still, older tech, higher TDP, much hotter running temps, etc. It's kind of a different GPU on another level. The 960 also has the potential of Mini-ITX versions.

 

It don't matter. R9 290X is still keeping up with GTX 980 @ 4K so the juice nvidia is selling is just another hyped up gimmick sold by morons like Tom Peterson.

If lower scores at a higher TDP means "keeping up" to you, then yea, I guess that means they are keeping up. To me and the I guess the rest of the world, that really isn't keeping up, though.

 

Thanx for showing the staying power of AMD Radeon R9 GPUs.

"staying power"

 

Let's talk about TDP. Let's talk about overclocking headroom. Let's talk about how the R9 290X only won several of the dozens of benchmarks. 

 

Oh wait, talking about all of that would take the R9 290X out of favor, and you wouldn't dare talk negatively of AMD!