Paris Terror Attacks

[Guest]

The US FBI and military should hunt them down.

no

[Guest]

Advocating human rights abuses? Really? The fact that people think torture is okay is far more troubling to me than these random acts of violence. Resorting to brutality and torture is just as immoral as killing random people in the name of a God. And the CIA is already torturing people because of tur'ism. But you'll never see anyone in the CIA stand trial for human rights violations.

Why? As far as I know, there weren't any American victims, and it sure as hell didn't happen on American soil. This is France's problem to deal with. America could, should and probably will, provide assistance, but this is not an American problem.

You can't wipe out an ideology. You can kill people by the millions, but an idea will live on. That is the real danger. How we wipe out an ideology is still a mystery...

well said

[Guest]

A bit off topic but why is Sasha grey your profile pic?

ignore the major editing fail, I'm on mobile

[Omon_Ra]

its the cia why on earth will anyone even question them..... also its kinda fine if they do that since some people just don't give up on info its just hard coded into their brain 

 

What? Harry Truman questioned the CIA in 1963, and he created the damn agency.

 

http://www.maebrussell.com/Prouty/Harry%20Truman%27s%20CIA%20article.html

I think it has become necessary to take another look at the purpose and operations of our Central Intelligence Agency—CIA. At least, I would like to submit here the original reason why I thought it necessary to organize this Agency during my Administration, what I expected it to do and how it was to operate as an arm of the President.

    I think it is fairly obvious that by and large a President's performance in office is as effective as the information he has and the information he gets. That is to say, that assuming the President himself possesses a knowledge of our history, a sensitive understanding of our institutions, and an insight into the needs and aspirations of the people, he needs to have available to him the most accurate and up-to-the-minute information on what is going on everywhere in the world, and particularly of the trends and developments in all the danger spots in the contest between East and West. This is an immense task and requires a special kind of an intelligence facility.

    Of course, every President has available to him all the information gathered by the many intelligence agencies already in existence. The Departments of State, Defense, Commerce, Interior and others are constantly engaged in extensive information gathering and have done excellent work.

    But their collective information reached the President all too frequently in conflicting conclusions. At times, the intelligence reports tended to be slanted to conform to established positions of a given department. This becomes confusing and what's worse, such intelligence is of little use to a President in reaching the right decisions.

    Therefore, I decided to set up a special organization charged with the collection of all intelligence reports from every available source, and to have those reports reach me as President without department "treatment" or interpretations.

    I wanted and needed the information in its "natural raw" state and in as comprehensive a volume as it was practical for me to make full use of it. But the most important thing about this move was to guard against the chance of intelligence being used to influence or to lead the President into unwise decisions—and I thought it was necessary that the President do his own thinking and evaluating.

    Since the responsibility for decision making was his—then he had to be sure that no information is kept from him for whatever reason at the discretion of any one department or agency, or that unpleasant facts be kept from him. There are always those who would want to shield a President from bad news or misjudgments to spare him from being "upset."

    For some time I have been disturbed by the way CIA has been diverted from its original assignment. It has become an operational and at times a policy-making arm of the Government. This has led to trouble and may have compounded our difficulties in several explosive areas.

    I never had any thought that when I set up the CIA that it would be injected into peacetime cloak and dagger operations. Some of the complications and embarrassment I think we have experienced are in part attributable to the fact that this quiet intelligence arm of the President has been so removed from its intended role that it is being interpreted as a symbol of sinister and mysterious foreign intrigue—and a subject for cold war enemy propaganda.

    With all the nonsense put out by Communist propaganda about "Yankee imperialism," "exploitive capitalism," "war-mongering," "monopolists," in their name-calling assault on the West, the last thing we needed was for the CIA to be seized upon as something akin to a subverting influence in the affairs of other people.

    I well knew the first temporary director of the CIA, Adm. Souers, and the later permanent directors of the CIA, Gen. Hoyt Vandenberg and Allen Dulles. These were men of the highest character, patriotism and integrity—and I assume this is true of all those who continue in charge.

    But there are now some searching questions that need to be answered. I, therefore, would like to see the CIA be restored to its original assignment as the intelligence arm of the President, and that whatever else it can properly perform in that special field—and that its operational duties be terminated or properly used elsewhere.

    We have grown up as a nation, respected for our free institutions and for our ability to maintain a free and open society. There is something about the way the CIA has been functioning that is casting a shadow over our historic position and I feel that we need to correct it.

 

And kinda fine they do what now? Torture people? You mean it's okay to torture people because they won't give up the information anyways? WTF are you on about?

[Cyrus]

Defranco talking about it (might say somethings you don't know yet) otherwise his opinions

[TheHolyCawCaw]

 

 

 

Advocating human rights abuses? Really? The fact that people think torture is okay is far more troubling to me than these random acts of violence. Resorting to brutality and torture is just as immoral as killing random people in the name of a God. And the CIA is already torturing people because of tur'ism. But you'll never see anyone in the CIA stand trial for human rights violations.

 

Well I must explain myself a bit here....

I never meant that torture should be reused in a general way, but do you think any extremist will under normal circumstances give important information about the real head of their movement that keeps pushing people to do things like this?

Yes torture is fucking bad and should never be used...but would you rather not somehow be able to stop this by doing so than rather have innocent people suffer? These poeple are ready to kill as many people as they want....I rather have them suffer than people who are innocent and never wanted to be involved in this....as harsh as it sounds

 

PS: I think they have actually achieved what they wanted and that is to make a really big deal out of this and mke people fear them

      Wondering how many newspaper's will now be more careful with what they write? God I think this will escalate even more and I somehow think this is only the beginning..... Fucking 2015 starts really shitty....fuck

[Sammael]

What is kinda sad is that everyone witnessing it couldn't do anything to help them, they have guns and yes...nothing to help or get shot

 

 

I heard on the radio that a couple of the French police officers did not have weapons on them, they might want to rethink that.  Of all groups you WANT to have weapons it's the police charged with protecting the public.  You're not going to stop murderous thugs like this with flower power and calls for peace, they need to be dropped and put in the ground like a rabid dog.

[Admiral Naismith]

Reactionaries, Extremists, etc.. I hate them all.

 

It has nothing to do with race, religion, political views, etc., it's ****ed up human nature. No matter how good life is, there will be a group or groups that hate it. All want to make it 'better', but only a few actually have a rational method to accomplish logical goals.

 

Hopefully, with the way information spreads (i.e. not the dark ages), extremism ideology won't last long. There just needs to be somebody or some people to... give it a push.

[TheHolyCawCaw]

I heard on the radio that a couple of the French police officers did not have weapons on them, they might want to rethink that.  Of all groups you WANT to have weapons it's the police charged with protecting the public.  You're not going to stop murderous thugs like this with flower power and calls for peace, they need to be dropped and put in the ground like a rabid dog.

Yeah that is kinda a problem...But you know what comes next? they go *undercover* and become a police officer and can even do much worse things....

 

I have a kinda limited view for things like this as I live in a well let's be a bit nice^^ VERY SMALL country where nothing much happens and nobody gets shot or any problems like that

 

Well except today a woman got shot but still don't know what the backgroundstory is

[TheHolyCawCaw]

Why do people actually always refer to a religion as things like this happen?

 

It is not the religion that is bad THOSE ARE FUCKED UP PEOPLE.... nomatter what religion they are in they are terrorists and nothing more

[beebskadoo]

Why do people actually always refer to a religion as things like this happen?

It is not the religion that is bad THOSE ARE FUCKED UP PEOPLE.... nomatter what religion they are in they are terrorists and nothing more

Actually a large portion of the content in all Abrahamic religions is morally disgusting. So yeah, religion is bad and it leads to bad people.

[colonel_mortis]

I heard on the radio that a couple of the French police officers did not have weapons on them, they might want to rethink that.  Of all groups you WANT to have weapons it's the police charged with protecting the public.  You're not going to stop murderous thugs like this with flower power and calls for peace, they need to be dropped and put in the ground like a rabid dog.

I can't speak for France, but in the UK the only police officers who have weapons are special armed response units - regular officers aren't armed, and at least as far as I can tell, public opinion is generally in favour of them not being armed. Events like this are incredibly rare, and don't necessarily justify the massive cost associated with arming officers and training them, as well as the change in public perception that is associated with arming the police.

 

Rest In Peace to all those who have died in this attack, and lets hope that the people who caused this are caught and suitably punished for their actions.

[TheHolyCawCaw]

Actually a large portion of the content in all Abrahamic religions is morally disgusting. So yeah, religion is bad and it leads to bad people.

 

Yes but it is still the person that decides to follow it....They can also be in a what you would call *bad* religion and only follow the good stuff?

 

The fact is: there exist people that are really fucked up and should not be able to take other's people's life because they feel like doing so....

 

 

But it doesn't matter, it happened and we can't change it.....let's hope they get arrested and get what they deserve.....So that the people who lost somebody today will be able to sleep knowing that the murderers are not running around anymore...

 

May the dead find their peace and the living one's their the strenght to get through this pain

[terrytek]

I can't speak for France, but in the UK the only police officers who have weapons are special armed response units - regular officers aren't armed, and at least as far as I can tell, public opinion is generally in favour of them not being armed. Events like this are incredibly rare, and don't necessarily justify the massive cost associated with arming officers and training them, as well as the change in public perception that is associated with arming the police.

 

Rest In Peace to all those who have died in this attack, and lets hope that the people who caused this are caught and suitably punished for their actions.

And punished to the fullest extent, if it means a public execution. The people who died fighting against these terrorists don't deserve to go down like this.

[colonel_mortis]

And punished to the fullest extent, if it means a public execution. The people who died fighting against these terrorists don't deserve to go down like this.

This is Europe. As far as I know, a country cannot be part of the EU and still have the death sentence, and France is part of the EU.

[terrytek]

This is Europe. As far as I know, a country cannot be part of the EU and still have the death sentence, and France is part of the EU.

Oh, I never knew any european union country cannot carry out the death sentence. It's really messed up, the sentencing part, here in america, where there are some states that allow the death sentence, and some don't. it should either be all states have it or all states don't.

[Volbet]

This is Europe. As far as I know, a country cannot be part of the EU and still have the death sentence, and France is part of the EU.

 

Oh, I never knew any european union country cannot carry out the death sentence. It's really messed up, the sentencing part, here in america, where there are some states that allow the death sentence, and some don't. it should either be all states have it or all states don't.

Indeed they can't http://eeas.europa.eu/human_rights/adp/index_en.htm

Since the Lissabon treaty (in the year 2000) members of the EU can't have the death penalty.

Although most countries still have the death penalty in case of war. 

 

Edit: The only European country that still has the death penalty is apperantly Belerus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Europe

Of course Russia is missing from that map.

[Trik'Stari]

Oh, I never knew any european union country cannot carry out the death sentence. It's really messed up, the sentencing part, here in america, where there are some states that allow the death sentence, and some don't. it should either be all states have it or all states don't.

Not having the death penalty is just about the dumbest thing ever. Some people deserve to be fried.

 

I'd rather my taxes pay for 10 years of appeals and court bullshit than pay for some sicko to sit in a comfortable prison for 60+ years.

[TheHolyCawCaw]

Not having the death penalty is just about the dumbest thing ever. Some people deserve to be fried.

 

I'd rather my taxes pay for 10 years of appeals and court bullshit than pay for some sicko to sit in a comfortable prison for 60+ years.

Well they will/can surely do other things to them that they probably won't tell anyone I assume...

[TheHolyCawCaw]

This is Europe. As far as I know, a country cannot be part of the EU and still have the death sentence, and France is part of the EU.

There actually is a country in the EU that still has death penalty.

 

France could actually reintroduce death penalty by a referendum if it would have the majority. This would be able to amend French Constitution.

Looking at the circumstances it could actually be possible that the majority would vote for them.

 

I quote : France can no longer re-establish the death penalty, except in times of war or by denouncing the Convention

[Sammael]

This is Europe. As far as I know, a country cannot be part of the EU and still have the death sentence, and France is part of the EU.

 

Pity, people like this deserve to die, and in these countries cannot get what they deserve.

[dfsdfgfkjsefoiqzemnd]

Pity, people like this deserve to die, and in these countries cannot get what they deserve.

No, they don't deserve to die. Death is WAY too soft a punishment. There are far worse punishments, but on second thought I'll not post them here to avoid upsetting children and people with soft stomachs.

[LAwLz]

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Not having the death penalty is just about the dumbest thing ever. Some people deserve to be fried.

 

I'd rather my taxes pay for 10 years of appeals and court bullshit than pay for some sicko to sit in a comfortable prison for 60+ years.

I like you Trik but I can't agree with you on that.

The death sentence is barbaric, costs a fortune, has cost the lives of lots of innocent people and does not actually help reduce crime.

The only people who support the death penalty are the ones who let their emotions rule over their rational side, and that's never good.

[FaustoGomez]

Rest in peace, who died on this dark event. 

 

Yes, these people were terrorists. I don`t think you can call them Muslims. A true muslim would never do such a thing. And because of these terrorists, Western countries hate muslims. Please, do not blame muslims because of terrorists, claiming to be Muslims, have done such things.

[Tocsin_786]

At least the US is helping with support. RIP for those lost in the attack. Were these terrorists Muslims?

no they're not humane.