Paris Terror Attacks

[ThatFatMan1911]

[Trik'Stari]

 

 

 

I like you Trik but I can't agree with you on that.

The death sentence is barbaric, costs a fortune, has cost the lives of lots of innocent people and does not actually help reduce crime.

The only people who support the death penalty are the ones who let their emotions rule over their rational side, and that's never good.

So it's better to just pay for the relatively cushy lives, of people who are completely unable to contribute to society in any way? I could also make the argument that those who are against the death penalty are equally allowing their own emotions to rule over their rational side. You find "murder" abhorrent and barbaric, so you are obviously against it.

 

Also, housing someone for 60+ years for a life in prison, costs a hell of a lot more than simply executing them.

[The Crazed Child]

The US FBI and military should hunt them down.

Playing as the world police again?

[LAwLz]

So it's better to just pay for the relatively cushy lives, of people who are completely unable to contribute to society in any way? I could also make the argument that those who are against the death penalty are equally allowing their own emotions to rule over their rational side. You find "murder" abhorrent and barbaric, so you are obviously against it.

 

Also, housing someone for 60+ years for a life in prison, costs a hell of a lot more than simply executing them.

Yes it is far better. Not only is it cheaper (yes you read that right, CHEAPER) to give someone life time in prison, but it would also have saved the lives of a lot of people who have been executed and then found innocent (it happens a lot more often than you think).

The death penalty has a lot of drawbacks but 0 benefits.

 

No I am not letting my emotions rule me. I really, really hate horrible criminals. Seeing people like these terrorists get killed makes me go "justice is served" but I try to suppress that thought and look at things rationally. Does the benefits (of which there are none) outweigh the drawbacks (which there are plenty)? Since they don't I have to be against the death penalty.

[Trik'Stari]

Yes it is far better. Not only is it cheaper (yes you read that right, CHEAPER) to give someone life time in prison, but it would also have saved the lives of a lot of people who have been executed and then found innocent (it happens a lot more often than you think).

The death penalty has a lot of drawbacks but 0 benefits.

 

No I am not letting my emotions rule me. I really, really hate horrible criminals. Seeing people like these terrorists get killed makes me go "justice is served" but I try to suppress that thought and look at things rationally.

Again, come up with a solution better than letting them live a cushy life paid for by others. If we can't have the death penalty, then how about an island prison with guards on walls only to keep people in?

[LAwLz]

Again, come up with a solution better than letting them live a cushy life paid for by others. If we can't have the death penalty, then how about an island prison with guards on walls only to keep people in?

Why not let them "live a cushy life paid for by others"? It is cheaper and more humane than executing them.

[MrSuperb]

2. Lesser Jihad the struggle to build a good Muslim society; also Holy War (the struggle to defend against oppression; with force if necessary). <---- This is what people take out of context and use as the argument that it's all about Jihad.

So if I would say it should be forbidden to teach aka. "brainwash" children (let's say under 18) with religious ideologies, this would be reason enough to kill me then?

[Trik'Stari]

Why not let them "live a cushy life paid for by others"? It is cheaper and more humane than executing them.

I fail to see how 60+ years of imprisonment, food, and medical treatment, can be cheaper than a max of 10 years on death row. Also I don't see the need to give "humane" treatment to the human equivalent of monsters like rapists and remorseless murderers.

[dfsdfgfkjsefoiqzemnd]

So it's better to just pay for the relatively cushy lives, of people who are completely unable to contribute to society in any way? I could also make the argument that those who are against the death penalty are equally allowing their own emotions to rule over their rational side. You find "murder" abhorrent and barbaric, so you are obviously against it.

 

Also, housing someone for 60+ years for a life in prison, costs a hell of a lot more than simply executing them.

Who says that those lives have to be cushy? They can make it absolute agony.

With the right cellmates, anything is possible. Throw in some pliers, whips and plenty of salt to enhance the experience.

As for not contributing to society, you can always use them as blood and organ donors. There probably are other uses for them too from which society can benefit.

[Norman_the_Owl]

They were. They said that the Prophet has been avenged (They made a comic about muslims)

They made comics about literally everyone

[Trik'Stari]

Who says that those lives have to be cushy? They can make it absolute agony.

With the right cellmates, anything is possible. Throw in some pliers, whips and plenty of salt to enhance the experience.

As for not contributing to society, you can always use them as blood and organ donors. There probably are other uses for them too from which society can benefit.

Fair enough, I just get tired of this "humane treatment" bullshit for people who don't even deserve to breath, let alone get 3 fulls meals a day and a warm cot to sleep on.

[Volbet]

I fail to see how 60+ years of imprisonment, food, and medical treatment, can be cheaper than a max of 10 years on death row. Also I don't see the need to give "humane" treatment to the human equivalent of monsters like rapists and remorseless murderers.

I think this might go a little to off topic (sorry @Digital Brit), but here goes.

Forbes did a pretty good article explaining why the death penalty is more expensive than 60+ years in prison

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2014/05/01/considering-the-death-penalty-your-tax-dollars-at-work/

 

And the ´60+ years´ thing isn't really a fair comperison. Most countries have maximum sentences, thereby making it cheaper than 60+ years.

For example, where I live, while life in prison is possible, it's rarely used. Usually people spend 16 max in prison. 

[LAwLz]

I fail to see how 60+ years of imprisonment, food, and medical treatment, can be cheaper than a max of 10 years on death row. Also I don't see the need to give "humane" treatment to the human equivalent of monsters like rapists and remorseless murderers.

Hard to believe but it's true.

Check the post I linked to earlier: Here is the link again

 

And if you just want the sources on the death penalty costing more, here they are:

Source 1

Source 2

 

The only way to reduce the cost of the death penalty would be the reduce the cost of the trials. Reducing that however will inevitable also increase the (already far too high, over 4%) number of innocent people sent to death row.

[Trik'Stari]

Hard to believe but it's true.

Check the post I linked to earlier: Here is the link again

 

And if you just want the sources on the death penalty costing more, here they are:

Source 1

Source 2

 

The only way to reduce the cost of the death penalty would be the reduce the cost of the trials. Reducing that however will inevitable also increase the (already far too high, over 4%) number of innocent people sent to death row.

I still think have absolutely no death sentence under any circumstances is the wrong way to go about it, maybe make it the requirements for such a conviction, or even seeking the death penalty, higher, but there are certain cases where it should apply. Maybe when you've had close family friends murdered horrifically, you will understand why the death penalty should apply in certain situations.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Richmond_spree_murders#The_Harvey_family

 

My family happened to be close friends with that family (before 2000, when we still lived in that area). Read up on it, as the wikipedia article does not by any means tell the full story. The sad part is, one of the young girls might have survived if the mother of the girl she had been staying with, hadn't brought her home when she did.

[shiftberry]

Of course I will be abashed to be a Muslim for this murderous incident, but I'm not a fucking coward to hide and seek with anyone and to be a hypocritical guest of "honour".

 

Special thanks to those who weren't really mean to us and understood our purpose behind this peaceful religion as well as the educated ones who accompanied Muslims and shared requited harmony based on extroversion and the delicacy of communications. 

 

May Allah curse those who ruined my religion and made us look like muppets and stereotyped us all together as terrorists to anyone. Those animals represent themselves and represent their own materialistic profits behind the name of Allah and the Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him who had been oppressed and reproached many times by his enemies but forgave them after all for his morals and decency towards who might ever be religious or nonreligious.

 

I'm an educated man, I never in my life and I will never till I wither and perish supporting any sects or any falsified beliefs that demonize the image of Islam and kindle hatred towards us Muslims even those animals were to chop my head off.

 

I will quit blithering instantly and I will announce that those who assaulted the late "cartoonists" are skeptically identified (according to newspaper): 34-year old Said and 32-year old Sheriff Kouachi and the 18-year old Mourad Hamid. They are part of the "Islamic States" and they were responsible of deploying young people to Iraq.

 

 

BUT WE ARE NOT FINISHED YET FOLKS! The assault was clearly a conspiracy or just to propagate hatred amongst the locals to kindle that hatred towards the Muslim locals. The attack was logically supposed to be at the moment of releasing that caricature. The attack was slightly professional and smooth even they executed that policeman smoothly and in perishing nerves and they were roaming in Paris freely and unhurriedly, but haven't they been still caught yet? I cast doubts about them, they don't seem to be Muslims, they are marksmen and were trained vigorously. The "arsonists" burned the mosque in Sweden when the Swedish gov supported the Palestine in the UN Security Council vote meanwhile this meticulously planned conspiracy coincides the French gov for supporting Palestine as well in the UN Security Council vote whereby the french radical right who are apparently racist towards Muslims would win in the upcoming presidential election to easily neutralize the Muslims. 

 

It's conspicuously a conspiracy against the Muslims.

 

To conclude, I will feel really sorry and sad for the Muslim locals in France including my brother.

[Sammael]

Yes it is far better. Not only is it cheaper (yes you read that right, CHEAPER) to give someone life time in prison, but it would also have saved the lives of a lot of people who have been executed and then found innocent (it happens a lot more often than you think).

The death penalty has a lot of drawbacks but 0 benefits.

 

No I am not letting my emotions rule me. I really, really hate horrible criminals. Seeing people like these terrorists get killed makes me go "justice is served" but I try to suppress that thought and look at things rationally. Does the benefits (of which there are none) outweigh the drawbacks (which there are plenty)? Since they don't I have to be against the death penalty.

 

 

Your emotions are alive and well, you just pretend like they are not driving you.  The death penalty is not about deterrence in the US, it takes far too long to carry it out for that feedback loop to manifest, nor is it about saving money at its core.  It's about punishment.  The question for society is how should you treat murders?  I'd be willing to give many shades of murderers life, crimes of passion, people with radical mental issues.  But there is a certain kind of murderer that resembles characters of our cartoon villainy, like the people who slaughtered those in Paris, or the guy who stabbed to death that filmmaker theo van gogh and left a death threat to ayaan hirsi ali.  These people are so fucked up in the head, so filled with the sort of over the top malice that I see no purpose to keeping them alive.  Not only do they deserve to die in the moment, they are beyond any reasonable hope for redemption.

 

This is ENTIRELY about your own sense of yourself, not the murderers.  You think that you are more civilized and refined because even the Joffreys of the world that are captured in your governments care are spared a just end.  No, you think it is more noble and reasonable and aesthetically pleasing to have the Joffreys of the world live out the rest of their days caged, but alive.  Their victims do not get to live on, but their murderer, the one who gutted them like fish and danced on their graves, their lives are still worth preserving in a cage.

 

In my aesthetic universe, such people deserve to be put down, like a rabid dog.  Frothing at the mouth, determined to attack all who come near because of their own twisted psyche, or passions or desires.  But no, THOSE LIVES ARE SACRED !!!!!!!!  No, those lives are a cancer, and ought to be extinguished.  

 

Part of the aversion is the confused moral standards of so many in the eurozone, who think killing is the great evil.  That all people who fight are no better than any other.  That because some murderous thug kills, killing him in return would make us no better.  That confused SENTIMENT is such a backwards framework of ethics it scrapes my brain imagining people hold such views.  People think that respecting human life means preserving it in all forms.  Even variants who have no problem stripping it away from others on their own whim, THOSE lives are precious too, taking THOSE lives away makes us NO DIFFERENT then they are morally.

 

ANY of you who think this way, are lost to all thought and time.

 

 

P.S.  On cost of the death penalty and deterrence.  For those who use these as rationales against the death penalty, assume for the sake of argument that the death penalty was actually cheaper than life in prison (it may be in reality, I never know with the self serving nature of arguments and sources in these matters) and that it DID have a deterrent effect.  Would you be FOR the death penalty at that point?  Or would something else hold you back? 

[Sammael]

Of course I will be abashed to be a Muslim for this murderous incident, but I'm not a fucking coward to hide and seek with anyone and to be a hypocritical guest of "honour".

 

Special thanks to those who weren't really mean to us and understood our purpose behind this peaceful religion as well as the educated ones who accompanied Muslims and shared requited harmony based on extroversion and the delicacy of communications. 

 

May Allah curse those who ruined my religion and made us look like muppets and stereotyped us all together as terrorists to anyone. Those animals represent themselves and represent their own materialistic profits behind the name of Allah and the Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him who had been oppressed and reproached many times by his enemies but forgave them after all for his morals and decency towards who might ever be religious or nonreligious.

 

I'm an educated man, I never in my life and I will never till I wither and perish supporting any sects or any falsified beliefs that demonize the image of Islam and kindle hatred towards us Muslims even those animals were to chop my head off.

 

I will quit blithering instantly and I will announce that those who assaulted the late "cartoonists" are skeptically identified (according to newspaper): 34-year old Said and 32-year old Sheriff Kouachi and the 18-year old Mourad Hamid. They are part of the "Islamic States" and they were responsible of deploying young people to Iraq.

 

 

BUT WE ARE NOT FINISHED YET FOLKS! The assault was clearly a conspiracy or just to propagate hatred amongst the locals to kindle that hatred towards the Muslim locals. The attack was logically supposed to be at the moment of releasing that caricature. The attack was slightly professional and smooth even they executed that policeman smoothly and in perishing nerves and they were roaming in Paris freely and unhurriedly, but haven't they been still caught yet? I cast doubts about them, they don't seem to be Muslims, they are marksmen and were trained vigorously. The "arsonists" burned the mosque in Sweden when the Swedish gov supported the Palestine in the UN Security Council vote meanwhile this meticulously planned conspiracy coincides the French gov for supporting Palestine as well in the UN Security Council vote whereby the french radical right who are apparently racist towards Muslims would win in the upcoming presidential election to easily neutralize the Muslims. 

 

It's conspicuously a conspiracy against the Muslims.

 

To conclude, I will feel really sorry and sad for the Muslim locals in France including my brother.

 

 

That right there is part of the problem with the muslim world, as wacky and crazed as the conspiracy theories may seem here, they are incalculably more widespread in that part of the world.  It's the US, it's the west, it's the imperialists, it's the cartoonists, it's the shia, it's the sunni, it's the existence of christians who refuse to bow like the good little dhimmis and pay tribute on pain of death.  If a terrorist attack occurs, it must have been a plot by the government and societies whos citizens were MURDERED to frame muslims and make them look bad, because clearly, people in the west are so devious and maniacal that they would be perfectly fine committing SLAUGHTER and BUTCHERY to their own people for some negative pr to muslims?  uh huh

 

Oh, we only need to have 12 of our own citizens murdered?  or 3000?  Sounds GREAT, send in the Manchurian to frame those saintly muslims who of course have nothing internal in ANY of the BILLION plus members that might cause SOME of them to be murderous towards others.

 

This inability to look in the mirror and see some of the rot in the society is an enormous handicap to reform.

[shiftberry]

Disgusting. Viewer discretion advised.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSIGHlpBdIM

 

I want you to re-watch the video many times and tell me how were the gunners manipulating their AKs?

[Whorax]

Saw it earlier today. 

 

Here are some videos if you can handle it.

NSFW:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=85c_1420633406

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc6_1420632668

Makes me sick. Bastards deserve to be publicly executed if they get caught.

 

Prayers to the innocent people harmed, along with their families.

[shiftberry]

That right there is part of the problem with the muslim world, as wacky and crazed as the conspiracy theories may seem here, they are incalculably more widespread in that part of the world.  It's the US, it's the west, it's the imperialists, it's the cartoonists, it's the shia, it's the sunni, it's the existence of christians who refuse to bow like the good little dhimmis and pay tribute on pain of death.  If a terrorist attack occurs, it must have been a plot by the government and societies whos citizens were MURDERED to frame muslims and make them look bad, because clearly, people in the west are so devious and maniacal that they would be perfectly fine committing SLAUGHTER and BUTCHERY to their own people for some negative pr to muslims?  uh huh

 

Oh, we only need to have 12 of our own citizens murdered?  or 3000?  Sounds GREAT, send in the Manchurian to frame those saintly muslims who of course have nothing internal in ANY of the BILLION plus members that might cause SOME of them to be murderous towards others.

 

This inability to look in the mirror and see some of the rot in the society is an enormous handicap to reform.

 

The same fucking blithering that made my guts sick all over the internet. Can I see something new from you? Something prospective not just this daily repetitive blame on ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL THE MUSLIMS.

 

At least, I've proven my point which exactly coincides the events. Be fucking realistic, those hollow statements are withering by time, probably used to accentuate that the mule would ever give birth?

[Sammael]

The same fucking blithering that made my guts sick all over the internet. Can I see something new from you? Something prospective not just this daily repetitive blame on ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL THE MUSLIMS.

 

At least, I've proven my point which exactly coincides the events. Be fucking realistic, those hollow statements are withering by time, probably used to accentuate that the mule would ever give birth?

 

 

You are right about one aspect.  These attacks make Islam look bad.  Most people who get those impressions don't need to infer from that that all muslims are bad people.  I don't, but it's true that if you keep seeing example after example of murderous behavior from people that just happen to be a part of a particular faith group, it does cast a pall on the groups reputation.  The problem is that it is so incomprehensible to you that an actual muslim would ever commit such acts that you search a thousand places for blame but never focus any light towards actual members of the faith.  Denial.  It is easier for you to believe a conspiracy where Frenchman would murder their own people to make muslims look bad than muslims behaving badly.  And naturally, when you find that others not so drunk on the theological koolaid don't share in this delusion, it is profoundly frustrating.

 

You know what the beliefs/thought process reminds me of?  Anakin and Obiwan in the third star wars movie talking about what caused what and who was evil.  Anakins mind was so warped that he thought palpatine was the good guy and the JEDI were the evil ones.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSwy412nttI#t=5m30s

 

 

So many lost creatures.  I hope that one day your mind is cleared from this madness.  If I was a muslim, I would be enraged at these people, committing evil in the name of the god I believed in, not only tarnishing their own character, but suggesting that GOD approves of these actions and that my faith considers these actions righteous.  Blasphemy in the clearest terms imaginable... if I was part of the faithful.  It's a pity there are not more people within that faith who think like I do.

[skywake]

A few quick points I want to make:

1. It's possible to condemn ISIS and similar organisations without going on an anti-Muslim rant

2. It's possible to think that the cartoons were a bit tasteless while at the same time defending the right to publish

3. It's possible to rank the shit Islamic theologies are pushing and the crap that racist nationalists push as equally shit

4. If you think killing a dude is the appropriate action for a cartoon you don't like then.... you have a tiny dick

[Silent_Xaxal]

Your emotions are alive and well, you just pretend like they are not driving you.  The death penalty is not about deterrence in the US, it takes far too long to carry it out for that feedback loop to manifest, nor is it about saving money at its core.  It's about punishment.  The question for society is how should you treat murders?  I'd be willing to give many shades of murderers life, crimes of passion, people with radical mental issues.  But there is a certain kind of murderer that resembles characters of our cartoon villainy, like the people who slaughtered those in Paris, or the guy who stabbed to death that filmmaker theo van gogh and left a death threat to ayaan hirsi ali.  These people are so fucked up in the head, so filled with the sort of over the top malice that I see no purpose to keeping them alive.  Not only do they deserve to die in the moment, they are beyond any reasonable hope for redemption.

 

This is ENTIRELY about your own sense of yourself, not the murderers.  You think that you are more civilized and refined because even the Joffreys of the world that are captured in your governments care are spared a just end.  No, you think it is more noble and reasonable and aesthetically pleasing to have the Joffreys of the world live out the rest of their days caged, but alive.  Their victims do not get to live on, but their murderer, the one who gutted them like fish and danced on their graves, their lives are still worth preserving in a cage.

 

In my aesthetic universe, such people deserve to be put down, like a rabid dog.  Frothing at the mouth, determined to attack all who come near because of their own twisted psyche, or passions or desires.  But no, THOSE LIVES ARE SACRED !!!!!!!!  No, those lives are a cancer, and ought to be extinguished.  

 

Part of the aversion is the confused moral standards of so many in the eurozone, who think killing is the great evil.  That all people who fight are no better than any other.  That because some murderous thug kills, killing him in return would make us no better.  That confused SENTIMENT is such a backwards framework of ethics it scrapes my brain imagining people hold such views.  People think that respecting human life means preserving it in all forms.  Even variants who have no problem stripping it away from others on their own whim, THOSE lives are precious too, taking THOSE lives away makes us NO DIFFERENT then they are morally.

 

ANY of you who think this way, are lost to all thought and time.

 

 

P.S.  On cost of the death penalty and deterrence.  For those who use these as rationales against the death penalty, assume for the sake of argument that the death penalty was actually cheaper than life in prison (it may be in reality, I never know with the self serving nature of arguments and sources in these matters) and that it DID have a deterrent effect.  Would you be FOR the death penalty at that point?  Or would something else hold you back? 

 

They are not noble. But then again, apart from capital punishment, keeping them alive while reminding them constantly that they are vile trash and below fecal matter can also be seen as greater justice. If these men are made to want death, wouldn't denying it count as a greater punishment than a quick punishment?

 

And skywake, no, they are not. Not when one is doing graver harm by twisting religion to his own means and to justify murder while the other is angry, uninformed, but ready and willing to do anything to defend his people and nation.

[Yuval]

The only thing i found disgusting about this attack is this

 

Terror attacks shouldn't be surprising news to anyone.

[LAwLz]

I still think have absolutely no death sentence under any circumstances is the wrong way to go about it, maybe make it the requirements for such a conviction, or even seeking the death penalty, higher, but there are certain cases where it should apply. Maybe when you've had close family friends murdered horrifically, you will understand why the death penalty should apply in certain situations.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Richmond_spree_murders#The_Harvey_family

 

My family happened to be close friends with that family (before 2000, when we still lived in that area). Read up on it, as the wikipedia article does not by any means tell the full story. The sad part is, one of the young girls might have survived if the mother of the girl she had been staying with, hadn't brought her home when she did.

But that's the thing... If someone I know was murdered then I would be in shock and filled with rage. I would totally wanted them executed but that's the irrational side of me talking. Which me do you think is the most rational and logical, the me talking right now when I am calm and collected, or the one where I am filled with grief and rage?

 

It's the same with fights I've gotten into. Right now when I look at the situations objectively I should just have stayed calm and walked away, but in the heat of the moment I let my emotions rule and it lead to a fight.

 

 

Your emotions are alive and well, you just pretend like they are not driving you.

I am not saying that I am emotionless. Like I write above I would most likely want the murderer killed if it was someone close to be that was killed. That would be my emotions talking though, and not my rational side.

If someone I knew was murdered then I wouldn't look at the pros and cons of the death penalty, I would just want revenge. That's not logic or reason speaking, and I think there is already far too many emotions ruling the justice system.

 

The death penalty is not about deterrence in the US, it takes far too long to carry it out for that feedback loop to manifest, nor is it about saving money at its core.  It's about punishment.

I think you mean "it's about revenge". To the criminals it's not much of a punishment because they don't even get to experience it. Being sentenced to life in prison is far more of a punishment because they actually have to experience the punishment over the course of many many years. If you did something bad, would you want to suffer for like 5 minutes or 50 years?

 

In my aesthetic universe, such people deserve to be put down, like a rabid dog.  Frothing at the mouth, determined to attack all who come near because of their own twisted psyche, or passions or desires.  But no, THOSE LIVES ARE SACRED !!!!!!!!  No, those lives are a cancer, and ought to be extinguished. 

But why? Again there is no logic or reason behind your stance other than "they deserve to die because they did something bad!".

Killing them won't make anything better. Killing them will only make things worse.

 

 

Part of the aversion is the confused moral standards of so many in the eurozone, who think killing is the great evil.  That all people who fight are no better than any other.  That because some murderous thug kills, killing him in return would make us no better.  That confused SENTIMENT is such a backwards framework of ethics it scrapes my brain imagining people hold such views.  People think that respecting human life means preserving it in all forms.  Even variants who have no problem stripping it away from others on their own whim, THOSE lives are precious too, taking THOSE lives away makes us NO DIFFERENT then they are morally.

I think it's backwards to say "killing is bad, and this person killed someone. Therefore we should kill him!". That's just hypocrisy at its finest. What if the one being executed is innocent? All of a sudden you have committed murder. Should we execute you as well because you killed an innocent person? If you believe in an eye for an eye then surely we should execute the prosecutor if it turns out the person was innocent. Or how about we execute everyone who thought he was guilty. I mean, they did contribute to a murder and that should apparently be punishable by death.

 

 

 

P.S.  On cost of the death penalty and deterrence.  For those who use these as rationales against the death penalty, assume for the sake of argument that the death penalty was actually cheaper than life in prison (it may be in reality, I never know with the self serving nature of arguments and sources in these matters) and that it DID have a deterrent effect.  Would you be FOR the death penalty at that point?  Or would something else hold you back? 

Something else would be holding me back, and that would be the 4% of innocent people who get sentenced to death. If it was cheaper, had a deterrent effect and we had a way to be 100% sure only guilty people was sentenced then I would be for the death penalty.

Would you be okay with killing 1 innocent person if it meant 99 murderers (who are currently sentenced to life time in prison and will therefore not be able to murder ever again) were executed? If you answer yes then are you really any better than the convicted murderers? You just did the same thing you think they deserve to be executed for. By your own logic, everyone who is for the death penalty even with a 1% false positive rate deserves to be killed, and you are one of them.

 

The reason I am against it right now is because I look at the pros and cons. There are 0 pros other than that sweet feeling of revenge, and there are plenty of drawbacks. If these three things changed then there would be lots of benefits and not really any practical drawbacks.