Paris Terror Attacks

[shiftberry]

You are right about one aspect.  These attacks make Islam look bad.  Most people who get those impressions don't need to infer from that that all muslims are bad people.  I don't, but it's true that if you keep seeing example after example of murderous behavior from people that just happen to be a part of a particular faith group, it does cast a pall on the groups reputation.  The problem is that it is so incomprehensible to you that an actual muslim would ever commit such acts that you search a thousand places for blame but never focus any light towards actual members of the faith.  Denial.  It is easier for you to believe a conspiracy where Frenchman would murder their own people to make muslims look bad than muslims behaving badly.  And naturally, when you find that others not so drunk on the theological koolaid don't share in this delusion, it is profoundly frustrating.

 

You know what the beliefs/thought process reminds me of?  Anakin and Obiwan in the third star wars movie talking about what caused what and who was evil.  Anakins mind was so warped that he thought palpatine was the good guy and the JEDI were the evil ones.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSwy412nttI#t=5m30s

 

 

So many lost creatures.  I hope that one day your mind is cleared from this madness.  If I was a muslim, I would be enraged at these people, committing evil in the name of the god I believed in, not only tarnishing their own character, but suggesting that GOD approves of these actions and that my faith considers these actions righteous.  Blasphemy in the clearest terms imaginable... if I was part of the faithful.  It's a pity there are not more people within that faith who think like I do.

 

First of all, neither Allah nor The Prophet Mohammed (pub) approves of killing unarmed individuals who are just trying to feel a bit superior for insulting the Prophet because he was the most perfect creature on the existence of humanity and he was surely chosen by Allah. Logically, those caricatures would not really affect him or should not be really and utterly considered as insults because Islam is not satiric, it is moralistic. Therefore, we solely had to debate with those cartoonists and to have a very communicative way of unraveling these misunderstood and falsified concepts about Islam.  

 

Whoever killed them, should be killed in my opinion. They don't represent Islam if they are Muslims because they only represent their barbarism, their motivated eagerness to kill and their abyssal ignorance. 

 

Educated Muslims wouldn't really care about this, they should stand up not only the nonreligious wanted them to but our religion which is Islam was never and ever meant to kill innocents but to prove our glorious entity in any land.

 

Here is a verse from Quran that sums up everything. Was ever Quran revealed only to kill INNOCENTS? This is an abyssal misconception to blame Muslims for being pedophiles and killers but I wouldn't be mad at that because I know that I was taught Islam to be a very civilized human being.

 

Surat An-nahl ( Bees in English)

16: 125

 

Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.

 

Anything you want from me to respond; I'm open for inquiries, you're welcome my brothers and sisters. 

[Guest]

I want you to re-watch the video many times and tell me how were the gunners manipulating their AKs?

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[shiftberry]

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How did they manipulate their AKs? Do they seem amateurs or veterans? 

[The Toaster]

At least the US is helping with support. RIP for those lost in the attack. Were these terrorists Muslims?

Is Islamic extremists, the satirical magazine poked fun at Muhammed which instigated the attack.

[Guest]

How did they manipulate their AKs? Do they seem amateurs or veterans? 

Oh one has a shotgun and one has an AK74u. They shoot the officer in the leg, he begs for mercy and they run over and shoot him in the head. 

They look like veterans. Terrorists who have been trained with weapons. 

[Biased Opinion]

The US FBI and military should hunt them down.

Why should they, this happening in fance and is therefore their responsibility to deal with the issue.

[shiftberry]

Oh one has a shotgun and one has an AK74u. They shoot the officer in the leg, he begs for mercy and they run over and shoot him in the head. 

They look like veterans. Terrorists who have been trained with weapons. 

 

Is Islamic extremists, the satirical magazine poked fun at Muhammed which instigated the attack.

 

They are still casting doubts about them because they were the ones who were deploying individuals to Iraq which means that they live in France and never been part of warfare otherwise they don't seem to be trained that well and the idea of killing 12 people professionally and still roaming in Paris unhurriedly and freely means that they are not the Islamists.

 

You know the world would recognize Islamists for such attacks because they easily got used to see Islamists on TV.

 

Oh one has a shotgun and one has an AK74u. They shoot the officer in the leg, he begs for mercy and they run over and shoot him in the head. 

They look like veterans. Terrorists who have been trained with weapons. 

 

Yes exactly but when he was shot in the head, the blood didn't seem to splatter over the floor. I repeated the video many times and remarked that the shot hit only the floor and the one who was filming was alone and the streets were not crowded, I mean Paris is the most populated city in France. How come was nobody there? 

 

This looks staged. However, I'm not defending the Islamists but everything is conspicuous. 

 

If not, It is better to capture the Islamists who executed this attack then punish them slowly and simultaneously with deadly material to refrain from terrorizing people in the name of Islam.

 

If these Islamists had been truly Muslims, they would have aided poor children and women in the middle east and in the Levant or just was it a stupid motive to defend Islam from caricatures? Fucking hypocrites. 

[Albatross]

God Rest their souls.

 

 I cannot stomach watching the video. It will leave a pit in my stomach I would  not be able to rid myself of for days. I am not one to take sadness such as this.

 

My prayers to those who lost their lives, and to their families and friends.

 

 

 

If not, It is better to capture the Islamists who executed this attack then punish them slowly and simultaneously with deadly material to refrain from terrorizing people in the name of Islam.

 

How does this make you or anyone else  any different from them? 

 

As disgusting as they are, killing religious extremists is not the answer. Otherwise we are no better than the monsters we bring to justice or their third world practice of barbarism. We cannot do an eye for an eye. It makes what we stand for weak. You kill them, you make them martyrs for other lunatics and the cycle continues. They must be brought to justice in a just manner. There is no other way.

[LAwLz]

-snip-

 Well you know... It depends on which verse of the Quran you follow.

Quran 2:191-193

And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.   And fight them until there is no more Fitnah  and worship is for Allah alone.  But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun

 

Translation since some of you might not know the meaning of some of the Arabic words.

"You should kill anyone who is not a Muslim, because not believing in Allah is worse than killing"

"Fight until there are no more non-believers left"

 

This is not about being defensive by the way, because this was at a time when Muslims were not under attack. Even if they were under attack (again, which they weren't, they were actually becoming more offensive) it's still very wrong to say "kill anyone who does not believe in our religion".

 

 

And if you think Allah is happy with Muslims who do not commit terrible acts, just read verse 4:95.

Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,

According to your own holy book, you are not as good of a Muslim if you do not fight in the name of Allah.

 

 

I am an Atheist so obviously I am not exactly fond of any religion. Christianity has A TON of really messed up stuff in it as well. I just don't understand how anyone who truly believes in Islam and has read the Quran can think of it as anything other than a book encouraging terrorism.

For crying out loud this is verse 8:12:

 

I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them

 

I have no problem with peaceful Muslims (as long as you follow the law) but peaceful Muslims are either ignoring the words of their own god, or didn't bother reading their holy book to begin with. A lot of Christians are guilty of the same thing.

[beebskadoo]

Well you know... It depends on which verse of the Quran you follow.

Quran 2:191-193

Translation since some of you might not know the meaning of some of the Arabic words.

"You should kill anyone who is not a Muslim, because not believing in Allah is worse than killing"

"Fight until there are no more non-believers left"

This is not about being defensive by the way, because this was at a time when Muslims were not under attack. Even if they were under attack (again, which they weren't, they were actually becoming more offensive) it's still very wrong to say "kill anyone who does not believe in our religion".

And if you think Allah is happy with Muslims who do not commit terrible acts, just read verse 4:95.

According to your own holy book, you are not as good of a Muslim if you do not fight in the name of Allah.

I am an Atheist so obviously I am not exactly fond of any religion. Christianity has A TON of really messed up stuff in it as well. I just don't understand how anyone who truly believes in Islam and has read the Quran can think of it as anything other than a book encouraging terrorism.

For crying out loud this is verse 8:12:

I have no problem with peaceful Muslims (as long as you follow the law) but peaceful Muslims are either ignoring the words of their own god, or didn't bother reading their holy book to begin with. A lot of Christians are guilty of the same thing.

The problem is fundamentalist ideology. The same sort of events happen I'm the name of Yahweh, we just don't hear about them on headline news. If a white supremacist Christian skinhead bombs a black church you don't hear shit about fundamentalist Christianity being the bane of society even though they are cut from the same cloth. American news media has an agenda, to paint Muslims with a broad brush, to demonize all of them simultaneously. That way we can perpetuate the bullshit war we started and cause further harm. Meanwhile perpetuating these insane Christian beliefs throughout american society and playing the victim card.

[TheHolyCawCaw]

 

 

Yes exactly but when he was shot in the head, the blood didn't seem to splatter over the floor. I repeated the video many times and remarked that the shot hit only the floor and the one who was filming was alone and the streets were not crowded, I mean Paris is the most populated city in France. How come was nobody there? 

 

Blood doesnt have to splatter over the floor, it depends what ammunition they were using. And he is not facing the camera.

I think what you see is the smoke coming out of the gun as he shoots...he is aiming right at the head.

 

Why not many people are there? Well it seems not to be in a mainstreet and even in Paris it is not that there are many people on the same place, yes if you go to the Eiffel Tower and such.

 

And people surely all ran away as they saw 2 men with guns getting out of a vehicle and starting to shoot.

[Castdeath97]

And here we go again another stupid argument, OP did you really have to do this?

[ANUPLUCIFERGAMER]

#RIP Those dead, and for those who died protecting their people. Thoughts go for their families. 

[Albatross]

Oh one has a shotgun and one has an AK74u. They shoot the officer in the leg, he begs for mercy and they run over and shoot him in the head. 

They look like veterans. Terrorists who have been trained with weapons. 

 

They were trained, we just don't know by who. It seems the only logical choice is ISL etc etc. Though it seems very likely the training occurred within France as well.

 

If you see some of the cars and the bullet spray (is that what you call it?) is too refined and perfect to be anything but trained.

[shiftberry]

 Well you know... It depends on which verse of the Quran you follow.

Quran 2:191-193

 

Translation since some of you might not know the meaning of some of the Arabic words.

"You should kill anyone who is not a Muslim, because not believing in Allah is worse than killing"

"Fight until there are no more non-believers left"

 

This is not about being defensive by the way, because this was at a time when Muslims were not under attack. Even if they were under attack (again, which they weren't, they were actually becoming more offensive) it's still very wrong to say "kill anyone who does not believe in our religion".

 

 

And if you think Allah is happy with Muslims who do not commit terrible acts, just read verse 4:95.

According to your own holy book, you are not as good of a Muslim if you do not fight in the name of Allah.

 

 

I am an Atheist so obviously I am not exactly fond of any religion. Christianity has A TON of really messed up stuff in it as well. I just don't understand how anyone who truly believes in Islam and has read the Quran can think of it as anything other than a book encouraging terrorism.

For crying out loud this is verse 8:12:

 

I have no problem with peaceful Muslims (as long as you follow the law) but peaceful Muslims are either ignoring the words of their own god, or didn't bother reading their holy book to begin with. A lot of Christians are guilty of the same thing.

 2:190 Al Baqarah (Cow)

 

Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

 

does it make sense now?

 

2:192 Al baqarah

And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

 

Translation: I bet you choose whatever you like without even understanding the purpose behind these verses, kill whoever tried to kill you. Tell me, my friend. If someone reproached you and wanted to stab you with a knife or transgressed your property, what would you do? Allah said DO not transgress, fight them if they fought you with weapons. Fight them with pens if they fought you with pens. The "cartoonists" should have been fought with pens but the barbarism did really interfere and we had no chance to say something except rationalizing people's positive thoughts towards Muslims and to convince people that our religion is not arbitrary and never meant to kill anybody.

 

4:95  Insane ( Human being)

What is Jihad, my friend? Many people before you meanwhile you were preoccupied by your absence and your lack of attention had been exhausted explaining that jihad is to strive yourself to succeed by dedicating your life and your money not to SLAUGHTER for the God sake but to be prosperous intellectually and to study and to help the poor and to do good DEEDS. That's jihad. I am mujahid by studying Islam, History and Literature and by refraining myself from the lust of this temporary and receding life because it is not worth it. I'm not a terrorist who propagates terror amongst people that even harmed or hurt me which wouldn't really affect me because I'm faithful and I would be more flexible with them even if they hated me because after all they will be affected by my morals. I'm not a bad person, I love everybody in this community. I'm Muslim and I do what Allah orders me to do. Mark this, I'm sociable and extroverted 

 

8:12 Al Anfal ( The spoils of war)

[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."

8-13 That is because they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever opposes Allah and His Messenger - indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.

 

Please your clarifications and your vindications are almost incomplete as long as you're providing me with sole verses that miss their completion to the following verses. 

 

You know what does this mean? All Allah's messengers Moses, Hud, Noah, Lut, Jesus, Mohammed all of them were oppressed, reproached, tortured and slurred by their people whom they try to expand the message of believing only in Allah without associating with him. These prophets and many strove and were extremely patient and resistant on their folks' abashment. 

 

Those people were utterly worse, they even stoned their prophets and sought slaughter to them that's why Allah protected his Prophets with a group of angels as shields against those oppressors.

 

I'm a peaceful Muslim, I read and I UNDERSTAND QURAN because it is simply full of real stories that exemplify and personify patience and human being's natural evilness and instincts to survive and to protect himself and of course with many beautiful and scientific facts and mostly facts.

 

Human's instincts are characterized by evil and protection. Tell me if someone ever attacked you, wouldn't you impulsively attack him back? Come on, man. 

 

I'm not guilty, I'm happy that I'm having such discussion with you, don't lose hope by the way. I hope one day you find the truthful guidance. 

[Guest]

Yeah the bullet likely stopped within the head. It's grim but I can't accept this being called a hoax. That's ridiculous.

[shiftberry]

God Rest their souls.

 

 I cannot stomach watching the video. It will leave a pit in my stomach I would  not be able to rid myself of for days. I am not one to take sadness such as this.

 

My prayers to those who lost their lives, and to their families and friends.

 

 

 

How does this make you or anyone else  any different from them? 

 

As disgusting as they are, killing religious extremists is not the answer. Otherwise we are no better than the monsters we bring to justice or their third world practice of barbarism. We cannot do an eye for an eye. It makes what we stand for weak. You kill them, you make them martyrs for other lunatics and the cycle continues. They must be brought to justice in a just manner. There is no other way.

 

In my opinion, they were operated by secret intelligences and they deserve to be killed for the sake of those policemen whom families would be utterly shocked for the loss and some innocent individuals besides the "cartoonists".

 

You pointed out their refinements which also justifies that they were operated by a secret intelligence (my bets on Mossad) because Israel was the only vexed State for the French decision in supporting Palestine in the UN Council vote. No fucking way ISIS would be that skilled. Those two are marksmen.

 

I'm not like them, sorry. You know what kindles hatred? Generalization. We are not the same my friend.

 

What would you propose? Even if they were sanctioned on court, they will be transferred to some Guantanamo places like. They will suffer more than killed according to your "humane suggestions".

 

Incarcerate them simply if this is what you wanted to infer by "in a just manner".

[DeViLzzz]

My heart goes out to the families and families of the victims.  Still on another note I just have to state what I always state and that is as long as people keep the world going the way it is things will never change.  No religion, no commerce, harsher punishment for crime, no nations and thus no patriotism etc ... that is what is needed for this world.  I don't care if I get called a Communist or whatever else sorry but the world should aim for better.

[Castdeath97]

Mods please, do something.

[Albatross]

The problem is fundamentalist ideology. The same sort of events happen I'm the name of Yahweh, we just don't hear about them on headline news. If a white supremacist Christian skinhead bombs a black church you don't hear shit about fundamentalist Christianity being the bane of society even though they are cut from the same cloth. American news media has an agenda, to paint Muslims with a broad brush, to demonize all of them simultaneously. That way we can perpetuate the bullshit war we started and cause further harm. Meanwhile perpetuating these insane Christian beliefs throughout american society and playing the victim card.

 

What? In our news lately we cannot even call them Islamic/Muslim Extremists. We may highlight Muslim Extremism heavily but it is only because it is a rampant problem. Your anti-religious sentiments show too much. It blinds you.

 

Cause them harm? You mean the lunatic extremists?  Or do you think our soldiers go around murdering civilians (our president is the only American + his cabinet that openly kills Muslims to justify killing a few terrorists)?

 

In my opinion, they were operated by secret intelligences and they deserve to be killed for the sake of those policemen whom families would be utterly shocked for the loss and some innocent individuals besides the "cartoonists".

 

You pointed out their refinements which also justified that they were operated by a secret intelligence (my bets on Mossad). No fucking way ISIS would be that skilled.

 

I'm not like them, sorry. You know what kindles hatred? Generalization. We are not the same my friend.

 

What would you propose? Even if they were sanctioned on court, they will be transferred to some Guantanamo places like. They will suffer more than killed according to your "humane suggestions". 

 

What does it matter who trained them? They were Muslim extremists regardless of who put the guns in their hands and pointed them in the direction of innocent people. This was not staged. This was an act of terrorism by Muslim extremists. ISIS, last I saw footage of, is actually pretty well trained considering a large number of soldiers, even our own, joined them.

 

You seem to have misunderstood my point. I was not saying you were like these lunatics. The you was plural and was trying to show you that if you kill them you accomplish nothing. Not even justice.

 

And do not presume to know what my suggestions are. They can very well be charged and tried like any murderer. They don't need to be tortured or imprisoned in places like "Guantanamo", we know who and what they are.

[Hulk]

This is a rather unpopular opinion I have, but here it goes-

 

While it may be sad, I am indifferent to these sort of news; people die everyday, literally thousands of people die to far worse things. Instead of focusing resources on investigating the deaths of a few people, why not focus it on ensuring it never happens again or on other areas such as scientific development?

 

I fail to understand how and why is so much attention given to people being gunned down in Paris, whereas everyday, hundreds more die due to worse causes. 

 

My thoughts are more complex than what I am saying now and I do know a large census of you will disagree with me, but I'm alright with that.

[shiftberry]

Yeah the bullet likely stopped within the head. It's grim but I can't accept this being called a hoax. That's ridiculous.

 

Yeah but It's AK74u which is a powerful automatic weapon. Even the USP 45 or M9 could penetrate the skull and splash blood over the floor. Didn't watch the ISIS executions, do you? I was simply terrified and frighteningly blow away by that massacre compared to this staged one.

 

Do you think that FRANCE is ever that idiotic to let those two fleeing just like that? 

 

What? In our news lately we cannot even call them Islamic/Muslim Extremists. We may highlight Muslim Extremism heavily but it is only because it is a rampant problem. Your anti-religious sentiments show too much. It blinds you.

 

Cause them harm? You mean the lunatic extremists?  Or do you think our soldiers go around murdering civilians (our president is the only American + his cabinet that openly kills Muslims to justify killing a few terrorists)?

 

 

What does it matter who trained them? They were Muslim extremists regardless of who put the guns in their hands and pointed them in the direction of innocent people. This was not staged. This was an act of terrorism by Muslim extremists. ISIS, last I saw footage of, is actually pretty well trained considering a large number of soldiers, even our own, joined them.

 

You seem to have misunderstood my point. I was not saying you were like these lunatics. The you was plural and was trying to show you that if you kill them you accomplish nothing. Not even justice.

 

And do not presume to know what my suggestions are. They can very well be charged and tried like any murderer. They don't need to be tortured or imprisoned in places like "Guantanamo", we know who and what they are.

 

How does this make you or anyone else  any different from them?

 

From this I quoted that I'm not buying their barbaric beliefs. it doesn't make them any better than animals in this case. 

 

I got your point pal, however, what sentence must they be receiving for this assault?

[Guest]

But how would that matter in any possible way? The bullet still has to break through the skull twice.... Also explain to me the other 11 people that died? Have your opinion but i'd like to make sure you know it's a stupid one.

[TheGosuStandard]

Blood doesnt have to splatter over the floor, it depends what ammunition they were using. And he is not facing the camera.

I think what you see is the smoke coming out of the gun as he shoots...he is aiming right at the head.

 

Why not many people are there? Well it seems not to be in a mainstreet and even in Paris it is not that there are many people on the same place, yes if you go to the Eiffel Tower and such.

 

And people surely all ran away as they saw 2 men with guns getting out of a vehicle and starting to shoot.

 

I believe the article stated that the officer was being treated, watching the video over it seems like they missed him & hit the ground. Many people have argued that a gun like that with a 7.62 caliber would of created something as you explained. 

[shiftberry]

But how would that matter in any possible way? The bullet still has to break through the skull twice.... Also explain to me the other 11 people that died? Have your opinion but i'd like to make sure you know it's a stupid one.

 

Sorry to share this frequently. Watch it please repeatedly. The policeman's head is not fucking blown.

 

And why wouldn't the second man strapped with a bulletproof check on the policeman if he died? He was close to him. 

 

This is a marvelous theatrical scenery. :lol:

 

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=335390869997400&set=vb.285988994937588&type=2&theater