should linus start uploading his videos in 60fps?

[XVariety]

I think he should do what he wants but 60fps would be good

[Syntaxvgm]

I think he should do what he wants but 60fps would be good

PC master race reddit would explode. 

[Tr3vor]

Why the hell would I watch it in 480p? 

This is youtubes fault here. 720 at 30 should be allowed on a 60 fps video.

 

why the hell would you watch it in 720p if your connection is bad anyway.

 

I agree this is an issue with youtube, but its not like people with bad connections don't have another option. 

[Enderman]

It would require more time and work.. so maybe for big videos like the trip they did in Germany or for future Ultimate Guides / watercooling show off. I think any videos less than 10 min would be unnecessary.

How is it more work? All he has to do is set the video editing program to export 60p instead of 30p and its done, no additional work.

 

That will double the file size, hence the uploading as well. Not worthy for people like me on slow connections.

Linus has two internet lines going to his house from two separate providers. One is fiber while the other is high speed coaxial. He can upload huge videos in a matter of minutes.

[Syntaxvgm]

why the hell would you watch it in 720p if your connection is bad anyway.

 

I agree this is an issue with youtube, but its not like people with bad connections don't have another option.

Actually, I watch in 720 on an older laptop I use to cause it's small and comfortable and I don't have to worry if I break it. I would think it would struggle with 60 fps.

[TheProfosist]

"its worse for people with slow connections"

 

You don't have to watch in 720@60, just watch it at 480@30.

 

I think 60fps videos would be sweet. I love the smoothness, even if it isn't a video game.

Do I really need to encode a video with x264 to show the little different between 30 and 60 fps...

[Speedstack79]

I can see the letters in his benchmarks or any other video in 480p just fine, so why does he upload in 720p +? because it is nice and he can.

should he upload in 60 fps? yes. Why? because it is nice and he can.

[Flight1sim]

wont make a difference!

His kind of content wount really benefit

[Omon_Ra]

Right....but it's not like they weren't already compressing it. It doesn't double the file size, but it does greatly increase it. And since they are on 4k, Idk if those 4k cameras can do 60fps. Not only that, but the raw recording will fill up the camera drives faster at 60 fps.

 

IIRC, they're shooting with a GH4 for the 4K content. It can do 1080p/60fps, but 4K maxes out at 30fps. There is no way an SD card could handle the data rate of 4K @ 60fps. Also, the GH4 does NOT do RAW video, unless you have the YAGH interface and an external recorder. And not to mention RAW video for workflows like a YouTube channel is pretty much pointless. So much time is needed just to grade the footage, it's just not really practical.

 

There seems to be a lot of confusion as to what contributes to 'quality' in a video. More frames per second doesn't mean better video. Bitrates matter more than framerates when it comes to visual quality. I'd rather see higher bitrates/better compression from YouTube than higher framerate playback.

[-ism]

I would love it if he uploaded in 60fps.

[Syntaxvgm]

IIRC, they're shooting with a GH4 for the 4K content. It can do 1080p/60fps, but 4K maxes out at 30fps. There is no way an SD card could handle the data rate of 4K @ 60fps. Also, the GH4 does NOT do RAW video, unless you have the YAGH interface and an external recorder. And not to mention RAW video for workflows like a YouTube channel is pretty much pointless. So much time is needed just to grade the footage, it's just not really practical.

 

There seems to be a lot of confusion as to what contributes to 'quality' in a video. More frames per second doesn't mean better video. Bitrates matter more than framerates when it comes to visual quality. I'd rather see higher bitrates/better compression from YouTube than higher framerate playback.

Hell yah FPS means better video. But for this kind of channel, not really a priority, especially if it's impractical or expensive or sacrifices 4k. It's not game footage, or action scenes.

It's Linus and Luke standing at a vert desk making subtle dick jokes with tech hardware in front of them. This channel in a nutshell.  

[LinusTech]

Not going to happen anytime soon. 

 

We can make fun of "cinematic" all we want when it comes to gaming, but when we're talking cameras, it's a whole differnet ball of wax.

 

There's only one content type we consistently film at 60FPS - Channel Super Fun. It gives us more flexibility in post to do silly slow mo stuff. That's the only reason I can think of to do it for slow moving live action stuff like we do...

[Syntaxvgm]

Not going to happen anytime soon. 

 

We can make fun of "cinematic" all we want when it comes to gaming, but when we're talking cameras, it's a whole differnet ball of wax.

 

There's only one content type we consistently film at 60FPS - Channel Super Fun. It gives us more flexibility in post to do silly slow mo stuff. That's the only reason I can think of to do it for slow moving live action stuff like we do...

But I have to slow down you knocking over CPUs! 

http://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/2k0xoi/linuss_cpu_knockover/

Imagine if that was in slow motion! 

[MegaDave91]

Not going to happen anytime soon. 

 

We can make fun of "cinematic" all we want when it comes to gaming, but when we're talking cameras, it's a whole differnet ball of wax.

 

There's only one content type we consistently film at 60FPS - Channel Super Fun. It gives us more flexibility in post to do silly slow mo stuff. That's the only reason I can think of to do it for slow moving live action stuff like we do...

Perhaps a single video that is unannounced to see how many notice it. I mean, most people will, but just for fun at the very least.

[Syntaxvgm]

Perhaps a single video that is unannounced to see how many notice it. I mean, most people will, but just for fun at the very least.

Then it would be 1080p. And 1080p 60fps doens't seem to work yet. 

Are you telling me I'm supposed to watch linus at 720p on a 1440 screen??

I want to see every pore on Linus's face when his high pitched voice makes me skew the equalizer on my PC just so it doesn't hurt my ears to use headphones. 

(lol sorry linus, I think it has to do with the way the audio is mixed more than anything. )

[MegaDave91]

Then it would be 1080p. And 1080p 60fps doens't seem to work yet. 

Are you telling me I'm supposed to watch linus at 720p on a 1440 screen??

I want to see every pore on Linus's face when his high pitched voice makes me skew the equalizer on my PC just so it doesn't hurt my ears to use headphones. 

Would it kill you to watch a single video at 720p? I can answer that for you: no.

 

I have a 4k monitor, so quit yer complaining.

[Syntaxvgm]

Would it kill you to watch a single video at 720p? I can answer that for you: no.

 

I have a 4k monitor, so quit yer complaining.

I watch most stuff in 720p actually. Youtube doesn't like to load 1080p half the time. 

[MegaDave91]

I watch most stuff in 720p actually. Youtube doesn't like to load 1080p half the time. 

Well there ya go. 

[TheProfosist]

Dah...no wonder 

I have a feetish for source/raw things.

I save backups of any graphic projects I work on every time there's a major change, and usually end up with thousands of layers and stupid high resolutions if it's not vector....and video...

I mean with images it gets to a point where with some ffilters and scripts on adobe products, the resolution I work at is too high and is not compatible. 

I have a stack of hard drives. And I don't even really record much of anything. 

Guess I'm not practical.

Raw video is actually very rare as it is a mountain of data. Even lossless is HUGE. An example is 24min 17sec of 700x478 video is 5.52GB using max compression with lagarith (multicore lossless compression algorithm).

[Syntaxvgm]

Raw video is actually very rare as it is a mountain of data. Even lossless is HUGE. An example is 24min 17sec of 700x478 video is 5.52GB using max compression with lagarith (multicore lossless compression algorithm).

I'm very aware of that. I make single photos that can exceeded a gig in file size as a png, much less in other formats obviously.

There are people that get Mac Pros (mac cause industry and stuiff)with multiple extra hard drives that frequentrly get achived and replaced with sole purpose of working with raw/lossless files

[LinusTech]

The RAW video workflow is a bloody nightmare.

 

We've had 4K RAW recording capability for months, but we'd have to have a several hundred terabyte storage server if we wanted to archive everything (we like that very much) and we shot everything in RAW...

 

Prores is a great compromise. We'll have a video coming out this weekend detailing the evolution of our filming equipment and processes. As of yesterday we're ready to move forward with 4K 30p for both of our primary and secondary cam with good enough codecs that we can do the colour correction that we need to do.

 

Very exciting stuff, and it only cost us... just about the same as Marques' damn Red setup

[s4spencer]

If its as simple as ticking a box? Sure. Otherwise I see no need

[FreeDiver]

Yes he should! Imagine the slow panning on sexy hardware......

[TheProfosist]

I'm very aware of that. I make single photos that can exceeded a gig in file size as a png, much less in other formats obviously.

There are people that get Mac Pros (mac cause industry and stuiff)with multiple extra hard drives that frequentrly get achived and replaced with sole purpose of working with raw/lossless files

oh and I should mention that the MPEG2 source for that is 833MB (actually rather low quality) the lossless file is after filtering also which would increase the size very likely.

The RAW video workflow is a bloody nightmare.

 

We've had 4K RAW recording capability for months, but we'd have to have a several hundred terabyte storage server if we wanted to archive everything (we like that very much) and we shot everything in RAW...

 

Prores is a great compromise. We'll have a video coming out this weekend detailing the evolution of our filming equipment and processes. As of yesterday we're ready to move forward with 4K 30p for both of our primary and secondary cam with good enough codecs that we can do the colour correction that we need to do.

 

Very exciting stuff, and it only cost us... just about the same as Marques' damn Red setup

Cant wait man. Did you eve get that Sony 4K properly/fully working?

[Bensemus]

I would Like it as Linus flails a lot in his vids and its annoying to see the jerkiness it produces. Plus the more we push for higher end content the more the ISPs half to work and the more obvious their crappy infrastructure becomes (at least that's what I want to happen).