TOR users become FBI's No.1 hacking target after legal power grab

[Ethnod]

TLDR:

"A Department of Justice proposal to amend Rule 41 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure would make it easier for domestic law enforcement to hack into the computers of people attempting to protect their anonymity on the internet."

 

Regardless of any US politics, Interdepartmental politics or any other crap I do not want to be stuck in the middle of any of this. Starting to think it's time to take a good long hard look at my own personal PC security and maybe time to do some research and get my home security beefed up. Between this and the fact that the US government might be using PC's as bots in their international espionage wars I am getting a little paranoid and sick of this. If I don't want to be used as a drone of someone else's bitcoin mining why would I allow my PC to be a bot in a BS war with China, Russia or god knows where.

 

Source:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/19/fbi_overseas_hacking_powers/

[Voids]

They're ruining the internet, just like they ruin everything.

[brownninja97]

rules are made to be broken- government

[Lavachyste]

Haha, if you think that the US is the only country doing so, then...I don't know. They are the only one spying on you. Your government is doing it also, and the the country next to you also.

[qwertywarrior]

Authority to Issue a Warrant.
At the request of a federal law enforcement officer or an attorney for the government:a magistrate judge with authority in any district
where activities related to a crime may have occurred has authority to issue a warrant
to use remote access to search electronic storage media and to seize or copy electronically stored information located within or outside that district
if:
the district where the media or information is located has been concealed through technological means;

[Fetzie]

I don't know about you guys, but if I had something I wanted to remain hidden the last thing I'd do is put it on a computer that has an internet connection.

[DevanArianne]

Authority to Issue a Warrant.

At the request of a federal law enforcement officer or an attorney for the government:a magistrate judge with authority in any district

where activities related to a crime may have occurred has authority to issue a warrant

to use remote access to search electronic storage media and to seize or copy electronically stored information located within or outside that district

if:

the district where the media or information is located has been concealed through technological means;

SO basically if "crime" (even something as a bar fight 4 blocks away that the police think could have possibly happened [notice the MAY have occured] at some point in the last 200 years) They can seize and copy any of your electrical media if you are try to obscure it through any way that involve "technology"?

 

Am I getting that right? Cause if I am, I have also noticed I'm missing my pants, I'm straddling a barrel and the law is railing me hard with their night sticks of "justice".

[qwertywarrior]

SO basically if "crime" (even something as a bar fight 4 blocks away that the police think could have possibly happened [notice the MAY have occured] at some point in the last 200 years) They can seize and copy any of your electrical media if you are try to obscure it through any way that involve "technology"?

 

Am I getting that right? Cause if I am, I have also noticed I'm missing my pants, I'm straddling a barrel and the law is railing me hard with their night sticks of "justice".

a judge wont give a warrant for that there must be probable cause to search the computer the crime has to be something associated with it

[Jerakl]

The Tek will be interesting.

[cesrai]

Haha, if you think that the US is the only country doing so, then...I don't know. They are the only one spying on you. Your government is doing it also, and the the country next to you also.

But US leads the world.

[cesrai]

The Tek will be interesting.

yes it will be.

[Jerakl]

Haha, if you think that the US is the only country doing so, then...I don't know. They are the only one spying on you. Your government is doing it also, and the the country next to you also.

The US is the only country next to mine.

[BustinJustin]

I've always had the attitude that if you don't have anything to worry about, then don't worry about it. 

[LAwLz]

I've always had the attitude that if you don't have anything to worry about, then don't worry about it.

Well the problem with that mentality is that:

1) You might break laws without realizing it. A lot of laws are very broad, and there are thousands of them. The average UK citizen breaks the law at least once day. That's at least 365 crimes a year, and that's the average person. It's pretty much impossible to never break a law, especially since a lot of them are up for interpretation.

2) Just because you think something is alright doesn't mean everyone else does. An example of this would be my lolicon doujins. Some (including me) will say that they aren't, and shouldn't be illegal (note: they are legal in Sweden) while some will say that they are and should be illegal (note: they are illegal in Canada). People have different morals so it is possible that you will get punished for something you thought was alright to do.

 

I don't get why they want more power.

Why is the US trying to police the world? If I am in Sweden and does something illegal, shouldn't it be the Swedish police's job to catch me? Why is the FBI going to hack my computer?

[dfsdfgfkjsefoiqzemnd]

I've always had the attitude that if you don't have anything to worry about, then don't worry about it. 

In that case feel free to post the entire content of your mailboxes and your chat history in this thread, as well as every picture on your pc/laptop/phone/tablet.

 

What?  You don't want strangers going through your private stuff?  Well neither do we. 

[NeatSquidYT]

I support Tor, but agree that something needs to be done about some of the stuff that happens on the Invisible Web

[Trik'Stari]

rules are made to be broken- government

More like "rules are made to break other rules so we don't have to break the rules"

 

I don't know about you guys, but if I had something I wanted to remain hidden the last thing I'd do is put it on a computer that has an internet connection.

^this.

 

 

Gonna be a rough election season for the democrats (who are the ones currently in charge). The sad part is that people will vote republican, who will find a way to do something stupid and make everyone forget about this stuff, while quietly doing it more and more. This is why I support the Tea Party, they might get attacked by both parties and lied about on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, and FOX, but I've been to meetings and I know what it's about, stopping the federal leviathan.

 

 

I've always had the attitude that if you don't have anything to worry about, then don't worry about it. 

And then they change the rules to make it so something you were already doing is now illegal.

[jamajka000]

Haha, if you think that the US is the only country doing so, then...I don't know. They are the only one spying on you. Your government is doing it also, and the the country next to you also.

Well i live in Poland and our goverment cant do shit so i think im safe.

[Misanthrope]

"Presumption of what? Innocence? Yeah that's over, because fuck you, that's why"

[flibberdipper]

This kinda makes me ashamed to live in this country.

[Trik'Stari]

Interesting, this rule, if you read it like a lawyer, makes every single government computer open for a warrant for search and seizure, because they've all been "secured through technological means". Quick, someone sue! Not that a judge at that level will ever side with the people, but still worth a shot.

[Elite14]

Couldn't microsoft just do want apple did to ios 8 on windows?

[Techhog]

I'm beginning to think that using less security is safer at this point. They'll be so busy going after people they assume to be suspicious that the actual suspicious people will go unnoticed.

[BustinJustin]

In that case feel free to post the entire content of your mailboxes and your chat history in this thread, as well as every picture on your pc/laptop/phone/tablet.

 

What?  You don't want strangers going through your private stuff?  Well neither do we. 

 

I like how you answered that question for me so you could advance your argument.

 

I think that if you use TOR, it's pretty suspicious. Everybody knows that the government doesn't give two turds about their visits to pornhub or the emails to their woman/man on the side. What the government does care about is terrorist activity and/or child pornography circulation/creation. 

 

Using TOR is basically like running around town in a huge trench coat and a mask. Very suspicious. You can't really expect to be left alone under those circumstances.

[LAwLz]

I think that if you use TOR, it's pretty suspicious. Everybody knows that the government doesn't give two turds about their visits to pornhub or the emails to their woman/man on the side.

But they do... People have been fired from the NSA for looking through personal files for their own benefits. The fact that they also collect things like you visiting pornhub makes a pretty strong case that they do care.