People please stop telling people not to get the 4790K for gaming

[ShadowCaptain]

With shit like this going on in an openworld MMO with a persistent world, you will need more than just a powerful gpu and mantle. Not to mention fps boarding, etc. You're gonna need a powerful cpu with multi threading to back up what they are going to do.

 

Maybe but if somebody cannot afford one in their budget they will just have to play Star Citizen on medium

 

The fact is that 99% of games run at 100% speed on the i5 so it makes no sense to spend money that could be spend on GPU or other things in a rig built to budget

 

if you can afford the i7, obviously it makes sense, but not at the cost of a shit rig in the rest of the spec

[SeanAngelo]

lol.

 

we only tell people not to get the i7 because it might not fit in with their budget. why the hell would you get an i7 paired with a GTX 760? might aswell get an i5 and spend more money on a graphics card. e.g GTX 770/780.

 

i5 is aimed at gaming.

 

i7 is aimed at rendering, editing, productivity etc.

 

"omg im gonna get an i7 just so i can overclock it better and get better performance than an i5 at gaming!"

 

thats like me buying a damn quadro rather than a GeForce series card for gaming just because it has more cuda cores and more vram

[patrickjp93]

With shit like this going on in an openworld MMO with a persistent world, you will need more than just a powerful gpu and mantle. Not to mention fps boarding, etc. You're gonna need a powerful cpu with multi threading to back up what they are going to do.

I question the skill of those developers. I'm betting the spline count is obnoxious to warrant the slow performance they're claiming. It's beautiful. but there are many ways of achieving the same result, some far more efficient than others.

[Trik'Stari]

I question the skill of those developers. I'm betting the spline count is obnoxious to warrant the slow performance they're claiming. It's beautiful. but there are many ways of achieving the same result, some far more efficient than others.

We wont know until it releases. They've stated they're optimising for hyper-threading, and that no single rig currently available will be capable of playing the full release on maximum graphics settings.

[Sauron]

The only thing the i5 won't give you is "i7 swag" (and a better performance in video editing/rendering). For gaming, an i7 is nice, but by no means necessary and only makes sense if you do more than just gaming with it. So if you're on a budget and for a gaming pc you have to choose between an i7 and a better graphics card it makes no sense to recommend an i7.

[sqwidee]

This is true of Devil's Canyon but not of the previous CPUs. i7 4770k vs i5 4670k wasn't a practical step for gamers to take because of the nearly identical clock speeds (.1GHz difference).

 

Also the cheaper i5 will give perfectly good performance when combined with a good GPU and generally is more PRACTICAL for a gaming build, even if the i7 is at a higher clock.

[Interfectorem]

Around the forums I have noticed a lot of people who tell people not to get the i7 4790K for gaming because the i5 4690K is cheaper and preforms the same. NOT TRUE. Yes it is  cheaper but the 4790K will outperform the 4690K since it has a higher clock speed. Then they to buy a CPU cooler and over clock the 4690K so it preforms the same or slightly better then the 4790K. Sure you could do that, but with the money you spent on the cooler you could of almost bought a 4790K it it will preform the same or just slightly worse then the over clocked 4690K. Then it the the future you can buy a CPU cooler for the 4790K and over clock it and it will destroy the 4690K. Plus you have to remember the over clocking is not guaranteed you might not be able to get your chip up to the clock speed you want. If you told a first time builder not to get the 4790K and get the 4690K and over clock it and they did that and their chip wouldn't overclock to the speed they wanted they would be mad. So please stop telling people not to get the 4790K.

If you're doing purely gaming, then there's no point getting a 4790K over the 4690K. You could invest that saved $120 and put it towards a much better GPU.

[Cheese4395]

@Cokeman

 

Hrmm, in the past 20 minutes you get this kind of response. Makes you kind of want to rethink what you said don't you?

 

I would never buy an i7 myself unless I was editing/rendering, so why would I suggest one to other people if they are in the same boat as me?

 

I wouldn't suggest something to someone that I wouldn't do. That would be stupid. Do you have an i7? Have you tested an i7 versus an i5 clocked at the same speed in various tests and games? If not then you really have no space to talk as you have done no research and are just blabbing out your mouth.

 

Try better next time =)

[Cokeman]

lel

 

youre saying you need a 100 dollar cooler to get a 4690K too 4.0 GHZ

 

-.-

No a $60 cooler

[Cokeman]

Yeah but a 4790k is faster. What you posted shows that's true. It's a whole 500MHz faster and gets maybe 1 fps more.

.5 gHz is a significant increase in clock speed

[patrickjp93]

We wont know until it releases. They've stated they're optimising for hyper-threading, and that no single rig currently available will be capable of playing the full release on maximum graphics settings.

Which makes me question design choices and their occlusion algorithm.

[Cokeman]

If you're doing purely gaming, then there's no point getting a 4790K over the 4690K. You could invest that saved $120 and put it towards a much better GPU.

Its not $120 more its $60 more

[patrickjp93]

.5 gHz is a significant increase in clock speed

But it's above the threshold of mattering. The 4690k can already keep all the top GPUs continuously fed. You will gain next to nothing in gaming by the 4790k. In raw computations you would, but not gaming.

[Antistatic12]

The general consensus is the 4690K is a great chip for the money you pay.
Most people on LTT could even use a lesser chip and still be happy.
Others might have no issue about paying more money for a chip that might only be 5% or 10% better.
It comes down to the individual. Saying the 4690K is the better chip for somebody is a safe assumption as they probably won't use it to its fullest anyway and is cheaper than the 4790K. If they buy the 4790K, they are probably still not using it to the fullest and paying more.
 

[AlwaysFSX]

.5 gHz is a significant increase in clock speed

For one frame? No reason to spend $100 more. Just OC a 4690k because damn near all of them can hit 4.

[Interfectorem]

@Cokeman

 

Hrmm, in the past 20 minutes you get this kind of response. Makes you kind of want to rethink what you said don't you?

 

I would never buy an i7 myself unless I was editing/rendering, so why would I suggest one to other people if they are in the same boat as me?

 

I wouldn't suggest something to someone that I wouldn't do. That would be stupid. Do you have an i7? Have you tested an i7 versus an i5 clocked at the same speed in various tests and games? If not then you really have no space to talk as you have done no research and are just blabbing out your mouth.

 

Try better next time =)

I don't know what's up with this "Cokeman" guy.

[Trik'Stari]

Which makes me question design choices and their occlusion algorithm.

They did this on purpose to push gaming further. They want the game to be as ridiculously awesome as possible and I for one support it.

[patrickjp93]

Its not $120 more its $60 more

Don't quote Microcenter prices. Not everyone lives near one. The 4690k is 230 USD on newegg and the 4790k is 339.99.

[Polyvalent]

 a "Slightly higher clock speed", is it really worth the extra $100 if all you are doing is gaming and it will only get you maybe up to 5 extra fps?

 

As an 8320 owner who has overclocked it to 4.5GHz (higher than an FX-9370) I can say with confidence that paying more for a CPU just for a higher clock speed is stupid

[Freaky_spider]

.5 gHz is a significant increase in clock speed

obviously it isnt

 

1FPS isnt 'significant' its neglectable, do your research before going down that road 

 

'derp, heigher number must be better! right?'

[patrickjp93]

They did this on purpose to push gaming further. They want the game to be as ridiculously awesome as possible and I for one support it.

But did they do it intelligently or by frivolously wasting resources like high-polygon splines in places they aren't needed? I'm betting waste. There's no way to choke a 295x2 without wasting resources stupidly. There just isn't. I'm all for advancing gaming and graphics, but I'm really skeptical because I know the power of these GPUs and now I've seen in-game footage.

[Trik'Stari]

But did they do it intelligently or by frivolously wasting resources like high-polygon splines in places they aren't needed? I'm betting yes. There's no way to choke a 295x2 without wasting resources stupidly. There just isn't.

Look at some of the things they are doing and decide for yourself. I just know that they want to push gaming to levels not yet done. Which I commend them for.

1. Because it's awesome

2. Because it will make consoles look even more like giant piles of shit.

[Cokeman]

For one frame? No reason to spend $100 more. Just OC a 4690k because damn near all of them can hit 4.

Its $60 more

[patrickjp93]

Look at some of the things they are doing and decide for yourself. I just know that they want to push gaming to levels not yet done. Which I commend them for.

1. Because it's awesome

2. Because it will make consoles look even more like giant piles of shit.

Have a link to where they describe their process?

[patrickjp93]

Its $60 more

stop quoting microcenter prices. They're niche.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117372

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117369