Police Arrest Man In UK For Piracy

[Guest]

Anyone that says they've never felt guilt while pirating is either lying or a sociopath.

I laughed, then I laughed some more, then I laughed a lot.

You can't POSSIBLY diagnose people as sociopaths over such a thing as pirating, your morally white behaviour is taking it to the very extremes, stretching it a bit more, then jumping into the ocean of insanity and swimming beyond.

I pay for my services. (Netflix, Spotify, Steam) but what you just said was beyond ridiculous.

Maybe it was meant to be over the top, in that case sorry, I didn't notice, but yeah.

Oh and piracy is not as bad as you make it out to be. I have pirated, no guilt, fuck me right? No really, I am not a sociopath.

[Builder]

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I know everyone feels guilt, because attacking their guilt is how I've stopped my friends piracy habits.

[Builder]

Could not agree more. Fuck the music industry and hollywood. If you want me to pay for your shit then make shit that's worth my money.

If it isn't worth your money then stop watching. You're just encouraging the bastards and riling them up.

[Guest]

I know everyone feels guilt, because attacking their guilt is how I've stopped my friends piracy habits.

I don't feel guilty really, you're talking guilt into people that was originally not there.

Nonetheless, people should pay their game developers and artists and possibly actors as well, so they can keep making the good content, however I am not nearly as anti-piracy as you are.

[Mooshi]

When it comes to that sort of thing, I'd rather pay the artist directly (i.e paying a dollar for a song I really like) vs giving cash to some sleazy record company that screws over their own clients on a regular basis. Zero guilt in screwing those guys over.

[Builder]

I don't feel guilty really, you're talking guilt into people that was originally not there.

Nonetheless, people should pay their game developers and artists and possibly actors as well, so they can keep making the good content, however I am not nearly as anti-piracy as you are.

There was a time when "not worth paying for" meant "not worth listening to/watching." Now it just means lower the price until I feel like it's right or give it to me for free. If I wouldn't pay for it, I wouldn't pirate it. I understand that's not the only use case.

 

I'm not talking guilt into people. I never asked them if they felt guilty, I only even ever start talking to them about it if they mention guilt themselves. One of my friends was pirating Alfred and I showed him a picture of the guy who makes it, yes, the single guy, and he broke down then and there and bought the full version and sent an email of apology. The internet has a way of isolating words from faces, (I know it's a cliche) and I believe it's a phenomenon present in piracy. When a piece of media just appears on the internet as if it had grown there, it seems ripe for the picking instead of the publicized work of someone who put their blood, sweat, and tears into it.

 

If the product does not contain blood, sweat, or tears, I don't think it's worth using. Code it yourself, dammit. If the music or video doesn't contain someone's blood, sweat, or tears, first of all, it's barely art, if it's art at all.

[ericlee30]

No he should have not been arrested. What is wrong with this world?

[Builder]

When it comes to that sort of thing, I'd rather pay the artist directly (i.e paying a dollar for a song I really like) vs giving cash to some sleazy record company that screws over their own clients on a regular basis. Zero guilt in screwing those guys over.

You do realize that through your way, you screw over both the record company and the artist instead of asking them to use SoundCloud or Band Camp, where you could screw over one of the two above parties. You're no better than the record company if you pirate the artist's work for your personal enjoyment.

[mr moose]

I do have an idea. Parents lose custody all the time around these parts. I know because I see the horrors that alcoholism has made them as they wander through the streets moaning about losing their child. In elementary school half of the kids in my graduating class were living out of foster homes and orphanages run by Social Services.

 

Um, it's the opposite here, we can't get the kids away from the abusive parents, even when the kids tell the police in a recorded interview that they are being sexually abused, The courts keep saying the parents have a right to be with their child even though every body knows they are abusing them.   It happen just a few months ago, under cover police were told by the father that he intended to kill his son at the next meeting they had, the police tried to intervene and the court threw it out  citing that had the father know he was talking to a cop he wouldn't have said it,  next meeting came and the father stabbed the boy to death.   It's a tragedy, I wish it was easy to get kids into foster care as it is were you live, at least the boy wouldn't be dead

[Builder]

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Well unfortunately our welfare is so poor that it happens quite often. Parents lose custody all the time.

[mr moose]

Well unfortunately our welfare is so poor that it happens quite often. Parents lose custody all the time.

but isn't that a good thing if the parents are abusive?

[Solkia]

I have to wonder what the practicality of arresting pirates is.

 

Do they know how many people pirate stuff nowadays? Do they know how many people they'd be throwing into jail? Do they know how many occupied cells more fitting of other crimes would be filled? Do they know how much it would cost each year to hold 10,000,000 people for downloading all the Breaking Bad seasons?

 

Just fine them or some shit, torrenting Watch Dogs is hardly a felony worthy of ruining someone's life.

[Builder]

but isn't that a good thing if the parents are abusive?

Yes, but sometimes they lose custody simply because they can't afford it.

[mr moose]

Yes, but sometimes they lose custody simply because they can't afford it.

that's bad. 

[Builder]

that's bad. 

Yup. Hence why our welfare system sucks. There is a mentality among a certain group here that being poor is a genetic trait and that poor people are just lazy fucks that can't be bothered to get off their asses and work, that being in poverty is somehow their fault. Honestly I know several CEOs that are lazy fucks and very few poor people that are.

[Oradian]

Well quote from suits (the tv show) "if a police car is following you for long enough, he will notice a busted tail light, if not, he will bust it himself." Not sure if thats how it goes but, if the uk can't find anything, they will just bend the law to arrest someone

[Murdoch]

This is fucking retarded. There's nothing illegal about running a proxy server. This is a publicity stunt. They want to be seen to be doing something.

 

 

 

Pending further investigation he agreed to voluntarily transfer the domains to the police.

 

They haven't even charged him with anything, I suspect because there isn't anything he could be charged with that would stand up in court. It's essentially a case of scaring people into voluntarily taking down sites.

 

Pathetic abuse / circumvention of the law.

[Nick Paviour]

It's days like this, when i feel, ashamed to be british. Stupid idea just showing how idiotic we can be. #apologiseonbehalfofuk

[Murdoch]

It's days like this, when i feel, ashamed to be british. Stupid idea just showing how idiotic we can be. #apologiseonbehalfofuk

 

I know right, and my country is about to vote to STAY part of the UK.

 

I just can't grasp why anyone would chose to be governed by Westminster.

[LAwLz]

My opinion remains that just because something is possible it should not automatically be legal. Back when doing stuff like copying music actually involved physical work, I don't think anyone would have denied a feeling of guilt in doing so. But somehow, you put a magnet link in front of someone and all of a sudden the guilt is gone away. Well, I'll tell you what, it hasn't. Anyone that says they've never felt guilt while pirating is either lying or a sociopath.

 

I was torrenting Linux distros and LaTeX package repos before it became synonymous with entertainment theft. I'm sorry the creators of your lolicon aren't willing to give it away for free, @LAwLz. I don't think that problem is as big as having half the internet censored from you in China, half of my closest friends live there.

 

That being said the arrest from these details does seem fishy and @mr moose there are police units for child abuse, there's a whole governmental department stateside.

I don't feel guilty when I pirate things. I often have what I'd consider valid reasons for pirating stuff, like not being able to get it any other way. Besides, most of the unbiased tests and studies shows that piracy do not harm sales, and sometimes even help sales. I don't see any reason for feeling guilt if what I do makes no harm. Since I don't feel guilty about it then I guess you will think of me as a sociopath. People who have talked to me in threads about piracy can probably vouch for me not being a liar when I say I don't feel any guilt.

 

Speaking of lolis, shouldn't people against it be happy I pirate so much of it? I mean, if piracy is harmful to an industry then shouldn't people be encourage to pirate as much of it as possible? By that logic I am saving their imaginary lives one download at a time.

 

I didn't say that this was as big of an issue as what is happening in China. What I said was that the UK is heading in the same direction as China. China already feel down the cliff a long time ago. The UK still got several hundreds of meters left before the cliff but it is showing no sign of turning around.

 

And of course it seems "fishy". They arrested an innocent man because he allowed people to circumvent censorship. I don't see how anyone thinks that is alright to do.

[DigitalHermit]

-some words of wisdom-

 

Same here (on piracy and guilt) since there's no other way to get them (stuff that you can't get here (pretty much everything))... (Kadokawa, please watch the reception of the Ruroni Kenshin cast in the Philippines)...

 

Still, I try to pay back with publicity by recommending titles so that they become more famous, etc... and by buying merchandise (when I have the extra money that is not spent on parts or food)

[Builder]

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It would be nice to see some numbers saying they don't harm sales, even though that still wouldn't make it a valid reason to pirate. Hacking the iTunes servers and downloading music off of them probably wouldn't harm sales either, but it's undoubtedly a bad thing to do. When you torrent, you're just removing the initial step. You're isolating yourself from the original crime. Almost nobody cares if you rip your CDs into your library and then make copies of them as backups, same with DVDs. 

 

You're not a sociopath, you've just been torrenting for long enough that you've forgotten how it felt the first time you had to choose between paying for something and downloading it.

 

China is an authoritarian oligarchy. The UK is a constitutional monarchy functioning as a parliamentary democracy. I fail to see the comparison. We don't have all the details in this case, we don't know whether he will be released tomorrow, and we don't know what he's charged with. There could be details we're missing.

 

Apparently restricting access to websites that serve only as hosts for illicit media downloads is censorship now. I'm sorry, I thought censorship meant, oh, I don't know, the suppression of free speech.

 

This whole "it's the only way to get it" bs is total bs. There was a Jimquisition about how pirating abandonware is acceptable, and I looked up the game he was talking about and it turns out you can buy it on Amazon. Hm. I'm not saying that's the case for you and your lolicon, but that doesn't give you any more of a right to have it. You have no right to have a specific thing, the free market is not obligated to give you what you want, when you want it and at the price you want it. If you want content that is only available in other countries to be available in yours, (and would pay for it if it were) then you should email its creators. Pirating their shit is a not a good way to tell them that there is a paying market that is ready to buy their stuff if they were to make it available.

 

I'm not anti-loli, but I suspect that it has enough of a market in Japan to outweigh your blatant theft of it. Everyone has a right to their intellectual property, however you don't seem to think so. To you, the world is an enormous, unfair place in which animators in Japan are unwilling to give you their child pornography cartoons at a price you like. Hell, no one gives you what you want at a price you like, that's why you pirate it. Well, newsflash, they aren't obligated to give it to you and the price that you want to pay, and you have no right to their stuff simply because it's available. The world is an enormous unfair place, but it's unfair to the Palestinians and those living in the Gaza strip, it's unfair to the thousands in Africa who won't be able to afford the new cure for Ebola.

 

It is the least unfair to you, a likely affluent straight white cisgender male living in a developed nation who simply cannot get his porn for free legally.

[DigitalHermit]

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This whole "it's the only way to get it" bs is total bs. There was a Jimquisition about how pirating abandonware is acceptable, and I looked up the game he was talking about and it turns out you can buy it on Amazon. Hm. I'm not saying that's the case for you and your lolicon, but that doesn't give you any more of a right to have it. You have no right to have a specific thing, the free market is not obligated to give you what you want, when you want it and at the price you want it. If you want content that is only available in other countries to be available in yours, (and would pay for it if it were) then you should email its creators. Pirating their shit is a not a good way to tell them that there is a paying market that is ready to buy their stuff if they were to make it available.

 

I'm not anti-loli, but I suspect that it has enough of a market in Japan to outweigh your blatant theft of it. Everyone has a right to their intellectual property, however you don't seem to think so. To you, the world is an enormous, unfair place in which animators in Japan are unwilling to give you their child pornography cartoons at a price you like. Hell, no one gives you what you want at a price you like, that's why you pirate it. Well, newsflash, they aren't obligated to give it to you and the price that you want to pay, and you have no right to their stuff simply because it's available. The world is an enormous unfair place, but it's unfair to the Palestinians and those living in the Gaza strip, it's unfair to the thousands in Africa who won't be able to afford the new cure for Ebola.

 

It is the least unfair to you, a likely affluent straight white cisgender male living in a developed nation who simply cannot get his porn for free legally.

 

There is some other way to get it for you... But not for us (without spending absurd amounts of money for our income levels)...

 

In my country it's usually this or the dubious street vendors...

 

P.S.

As much as I'd like to support them, I can't afford to right now, and everywhere else is a huge pay-wall, not to mention the language barrier (I'm still studying Japanese)... Also, the local broadcasts are too outdated, not in my taste, or too crappy in quality...

[Builder]

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Again, you have no right to take what other people have made simply because it's unavailable and you want it.

[LAwLz]

It would be nice to see some numbers saying they don't harm sales, even though that still wouldn't make it a valid reason to pirate. Hacking the iTunes servers and downloading music off of them probably wouldn't harm sales either, but it's undoubtedly a bad thing to do. When you torrent, you're just removing the initial step. You're isolating yourself from the original crime. Almost nobody cares if you rip your CDs into your library and then make copies of them as backups, same with DVDs.

Want some numbers? Sure, I have a ton of examples and numbers in this post. It includes famous people (producers, singers, authors, developers etc) saying that piracy has helped them, an author who released his book for free in Russia and the sales of his other books increased, how much CEOs and actors are getting paid (keeps going up all the time).

Hacking iTunes is not comparable to downloading a song because you're gaining unauthorized access to a whole system which also has things like passwords and credit card numbers. Also, people do care about me doing personal backups of media. Here in Sweden I have to pay a special tax called CopySwede because it is legal to make backups of some media for personal use. Every time I buy a hard drive I pay the tax no matter what I intend to use it for. That's how much people care about me doing personal backups. I have to pay about 46 dollars in extra tax (320 SEK) when buying a hard drive and that money goes to the Swedish writers, actors, musicians, photographers etc.

 

You're not a sociopath, you've just been torrenting for long enough that you've forgotten how it felt the first time you had to choose between paying for something and downloading it.

But often times I don't have the choice between paying for it or downloading it. Most of the things I download are downloaded because I can't pay for them. A lot of the other stuff I download is downloaded even though I have paid for it (for example I sometimes download movies that are on NetFlix just so that I can watch it on the bus which goes through areas with poor reception).

 

China is an authoritarian oligarchy. The UK is a constitutional monarchy functioning as a parliamentary democracy. I fail to see the comparison. We don't have all the details in this case, we don't know whether he will be released tomorrow, and we don't know what he's charged with. There could be details we're missing.

We have most of the details. The UK police has sent out letters to sites which allows people to circumvent censorship. This site was one of them and the owner was arrested.

If you don't opt-out of the great firewall of UK then things like proxies and VPNs also gets blocked, including some sites explaining what they are and how to use them.

Also, it's pretty hard to have a true democracy when the government is doing many many things in secret, such as spying on their citizens.

 

Apparently restricting access to websites that serve only as hosts for illicit media downloads is censorship now. I'm sorry, I thought censorship meant, oh, I don't know, the suppression of free speech.

Definition of censorship:

Censor: One who supervises conduct and morals: as

a) an official who examines materials (as publications or films) for objectionable matter

B) an official (as in time of war) who reads communications (as letters) and deletes material considered harmful to the interests of his organization.

 

Censorship: The institution, system or practice of censoring; the actions or practices of censors; esp : censorial control exercised repressively.

So yes, you did not know what censorship meant. Hope that cleared things up for you.

The sites being blocked/shut down are not just for accessing illegal things by the way. For example the one in OP's post allowed anonymous browsing. Apparently the police didn't like that.

 

This whole "it's the only way to get it" bs is total bs. There was a Jimquisition about how pirating abandonware is acceptable, and I looked up the game he was talking about and it turns out you can buy it on Amazon. Hm. I'm not saying that's the case for you and your lolicon, but that doesn't give you any more of a right to have it. You have no right to have a specific thing, the free market is not obligated to give you what you want, when you want it and at the price you want it. If you want content that is only available in other countries to be available in yours, (and would pay for it if it were) then you should email its creators. Pirating their shit is a not a good way to tell them that there is a paying market that is ready to buy their stuff if they were to make it available.

Well I don't like Jimquistion but that's besides the point. Just because you found an example of it doesn't mean it is true everywhere. Yes, that is the case for me. I can't get a lot of the things I want because of regions restrictions or other things.

You're wrong about pirating the things being a bad way to show interest. I bring this up in the link I posted above. It's not my fault I am not popular is hugely successful and almost every single fan of it outside of Japan started by pirating it. When the manga (which was pirated all the time) was adapted to an anime they decided to make it available outside of Japan as well. The amount of people that pirated the manga made the creator aware of the big fanbase outside of Japan, which then lead to it being released in other countries.

I don't get the "if you can't buy it then don't get it" mentality. Why would I make my life worse if I have the option to make it better without harming anyone else? I am not even a "potential customer" that they lose because I can't be a customer. Even if by some miracle all shows I like got licensed outside of Japan I strongly doubt they would be licensed here in Sweden of all places. The market is just too small for them to even care about.

 

I'm not anti-loli, but I suspect that it has enough of a market in Japan to outweigh your blatant theft of it. Everyone has a right to their intellectual property, however you don't seem to think so. To you, the world is an enormous, unfair place in which animators in Japan are unwilling to give you their child pornography cartoons at a price you like. Hell, no one gives you what you want at a price you like, that's why you pirate it. Well, newsflash, they aren't obligated to give it to you and the price that you want to pay, and you have no right to their stuff simply because it's available. The world is an enormous unfair place, but it's unfair to the Palestinians and those living in the Gaza strip, it's unfair to the thousands in Africa who won't be able to afford the new cure for Ebola.

You're making quite a lot of assumptions there buddy. I will ask you again, why should I not make my life as good as possible as long as it does not affect anyone else? You're basically saying "no you shouldn't get the porn you want because people are dying of Ebola in Africa". Want to know what that's called? Fallacy of relative privation and as the name suggests, it is a logical fallacy. Sure I have no right to it, but why wouldn't I get it anyway? Again, it doesn't harm anyone in any way so why not get it?

 

It is the least unfair to you, a likely affluent straight white cisgender male living in a developed nation who simply cannot get his porn for free legally.

Aaaand I now lost most of my respect for you. I don't respect anyone who has to resort to anyone's race or gender in an argument and you just did both.