Floatplane DOES NOT provide users with better audio quality

[AHPanda]

Also, they don't charge VAT (which is mandatory) on Floatplane subscriptions in Europe.

[SignatureSigner]

last time I checked nobody cares

better video and youtube audio compression is garbage good enough for me

[Vexenar]

Sigh, here we go again. 

 

7 minutes ago, SignatureSigner said:

last time I checked nobody cares

As a floatplane subscriber I would like to know what the money I am paying is being invested in, as they advertised it's partially to maintain stuff like a higher quality audio. Especially when in those same videos they have said it doesn't cost a whole lot over lower bitrates. 

This just seems another case of we're going to churn out quantity over quality. 

 

Edit, seeing as you edited your post;

7 minutes ago, SignatureSigner said:

better video and youtube audio compression is garbage good enough for me

The point isn't what is good enough for /you/, the point is they went out of their way to advertise that the quality and bitrate is better which in essence is false advertising at worst and misleading in the best case scenario. Both are bad. 

[AHPanda]

1 minute ago, SignatureSigner said:

last time I checked nobody cares

False advertising is okay to you?

[Nathat23]

Are the videos encoded differently for download vs streaming?

[YoungBlade]

3 minutes ago, AHPanda said:

False advertising is okay to you?

To play devil's advocate, unless I'm misunderstanding something, the audio quality is still better than YouTube's. It's not hugely better, and it's not what I would call "high bitrate" for audio, but "higher audio quality" doesn't mean "excellent audio quality."

 

In the same way that "up to 3,500 MB/s" is true for an NVMe, "higher audio quality" is still true for Floatplane, even if misleading.

[SignatureSigner]

12 minutes ago, AHPanda said:

False advertising is okay to you?

yes

[Vexenar]

Just now, SignatureSigner said:

yes

If you think false advertisements or misleading claims are okay from a company that constantly states they are here to defend consumers and do the right thing then please stop posting now, you are adding nothing to the benefit of the discussion or the company in question. 

[Agall]

13 minutes ago, AHPanda said:

False advertising is okay to you?

*Some in the LTT community looking for attention from senpai on the forums*

 

[SignatureSigner]

1 minute ago, Agall said:

*Some in the LTT community looking for attention from senpai on the forums*

 

I wanted a duck...

[AHPanda]

10 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

To play devil's advocate, unless I'm misunderstanding something, the audio quality is still better than YouTube's. It's not hugely better, and it's not what I would call "high bitrate" for audio, but "higher audio quality" doesn't mean "excellent audio quality."

 

In the same way that "up to 3,500 MB/s" is true for an NVMe, "higher audio quality" is still true for Floatplane, even if misleading.

I'm no audio/videophile so I can't say you're right or wrong, but it is an interesting point to bring up. But there are still other issues in the topic like VAT not being properly charged in EU (which is mandatory) so it's possible they're dodging taxes.

[Agall]

1 minute ago, AHPanda said:

I'm no audio/videophile so I can't say you're right or wrong, but it is an interesting point to bring up. But there are still other issues in the topic like VAT not being properly charged in EU (which is mandatory) so it's possible they're dodging taxes.

Damn your taxes

[TimedPing]

4 minutes ago, SignatureSigner said:

yes

Indeed, we already tired of all this drama (not just from Floatplane), many other premium platform have similar allegations regarding false advertising, but for me personally, If I already felt that the main features I wanted (especially the content quality itself) is good, I wouldn't bother to think I've been ripped off because small insignificant things

 

Call me an ignorant, because I am. And I definitely doesn't defending Floatplane on this, it is what it is.

[AHPanda]

4 minutes ago, TimedPing said:

Indeed, we already tired of all this drama (not just from Floatplane), many other premium platform have similar allegations regarding false advertising, but for me personally, If I already felt that the main features I wanted (especially the content quality itself) is good, I wouldn't bother to think I've been ripped off because small insignificant things

 

Call me an ignorant, because I am. And I definitely doesn't defending Floatplane on this, it is what it is.

Your response is why corporations think they can get away with things like this.

I mean, I get it. For you, the things they lied about don't have any value to you. HOWEVER. To others, it may be and in general deceptive. If you are a potential buyer and you are contemplating to buy a subscription. You may be swayed by the extra features that may not end up being the case.

The fact that some of the comments about this show it's not important, makes it obvious to me LMG thinks the same and can just use this for extra selling points that shouldn't be selling points. It's wrong, even if you may not care.

[aminit]

Damn, I will have to listen to the christmas album when it come out in sub-optimal audio quality.

But seriously those claim are 6mo to 4yo, and there might have been change to deal with the flood of new subscribers during the channel hack.

To me video quality is definitely better than youtube, but I don't know much about audio quality.

[TempestCatto]

11 minutes ago, AHPanda said:

VAT not being properly charged in EU (which is mandatory) so it's possible they're dodging taxes.

Newegg used to not charge sales tax, which is something the state of PA asks you to report if a business doesn't charge it.  Of course I'm not gonna tell on them, I don't have to pay sales tax so I'm fine with that. As long as not paying VAT doesn't get the consumer in trouble, it doesn't matter on our end. But LMG could face serious fines, or worse, if proven to be true. As for Newegg, I haven't used them in a few years so idk if that's still true (I don't trust the way they package and ship items anymore).

[AHPanda]

4 minutes ago, TempestCatto said:

Newegg used to not charge sales tax, which is something the state of PA asks you to report if a business doesn't charge it.  Of course I'm not gonna tell on them, I don't have to pay sales tax so I'm fine with that. As long as not paying VAT doesn't get the consumer in trouble, it doesn't matter on our end. But LMG could face serious fines, or worse, if proven to be true. As for Newegg, I haven't used them in a few years so idk if that's still true (I don't trust the way they package and ship items anymore).

Obviously, for consumers this is better. But it does open up more lines of avenue about things LMG are doing to cut corners. Which is something Linus is known for.

[TimedPing]

2 minutes ago, AHPanda said:

Your response is why corporations think they can get away with things like this.

I mean, I get it. For you, the things they lied about don't have any value to you. HOWEVER. To others, it may be and in general deceptive. If you are a potential buyer and you are contemplating to buy a subscription. You may be swayed by the extra features that may not end up being the case.

The fact that some of the comments about this show it's not important, makes it obvious to me LMG thinks the same and can just use this for extra selling points that shouldn't be selling points. It's wrong, even if you may not care.

Look man, let's talk about the audio thing in the practical sense. From the reddit forum analysis itself, unless you using audiophile DAC and headset equipment, both compared data is doesn't matter that much to the general consumer. And again, FloatPlane is not just providing LMG content, it's also having other creators content inside it, so if they upload their content, both audio and video source is the one to be a reference point for the final stream quality.

 

About the deceptive marketing thing, remember the whole fiasco surrounding GTX 970 marketed having 4GB of VRAM? which is heavily marketed by NVIDIA as one of big selling point. NVIDIA caught red-handed that the remaining 512MB of VRAM is actually running slower than the rest 3.5GB of VRAM. And you damn sure everyone caught the smoking fire from that fiasco. But in the end of the day? even as of last year, GTX 970 is still considered a well investment for people that buying it.

 

It's not about one deceptive marketing that made a platform or any product bad, but how the overall value and quality to each patron/consumer is matter. Again, I hate that many corporation "getting away with it", but also, again, it is what it is.

[AHPanda]

7 minutes ago, TimedPing said:

... but also, again, it is what it is.

And there's the problem. That line says everything you need to know about consumers these days.

Just to go back in time a bit. Back in te 30's, several lightbulb factories set up an arrangement to purposely downgrade the quality of their product so they wouldn't last longer than x amount of hours. The public backlash was "it is what it is". That was +90 years ago, nothing changed.

 

I know it's a different line of goods entirely, but the principles are applied everywhere.
Game devs lying about features, quality, graphics. Electronics companies lying about the lifetimes of their goods. Food producers lying about being 'bio'.

They do it because consumers let them. Your response falls exactly in line with what those corporations want.

But I'm going off-topic here.

 

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel if you're interested about the lightbulb thing)

[Benergy]

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Why not send this to Floatplane support and ask why your audio quality isn't what you expected?

It could be as simple as an editor making a mistake when exporting the video, and I am sure they would be happy to sort out any issues you are having.

 

 

[starsmine]

10 minutes ago, AHPanda said:

And there's the problem. That line says everything you need to know about consumers these days.

Just to go back in time a bit. Back in te 30's, several lightbulb factories set up an arrangement to purposely downgrade the quality of their product so they wouldn't last longer than x amount of hours. The public backlash was "it is what it is". That was +90 years ago, nothing changed.

 

I know it's a different line of goods entirely, but the principles are applied everywhere.
Game devs lying about features, quality, graphics. Electronics companies lying about the lifetimes of their goods. Food producers lying about being 'bio'.

They do it because consumers let them. Your response falls exactly in line with what those corporations want.

But I'm going off-topic here.

 

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel if you're interested about the lightbulb thing)

your understanding of the Phoebus cartel is wrong. It was not purposely downgraded, it was more efficient

What is better
a 10 cent lamp that makes 1k lumens at 60 w for 1000 hours or
a 10 cent lamp that makes 1k lumens at 80W for 2500 hours or
two 10 cent lamps that make 500 lumens each at 40w that last 2500 hours?

for your wallet, it is STRONGLY the first one. it uses 150 kw/hours (60*2.5 to make it last 2500) while the inefficient long-lasting lamps use 50kw/hours more (not to mention the additional 20W of heat load on the house that you need to cool, per light fixture). 

[yoc]

Finished reading about it on Reddit seconds ago.
Waiting for some technical explanation on this one. Things can get messy in technical stuff really fast.

[Jazmak]

9 minutes ago, TimedPing said:

Look man, let's talk about the audio thing in the practical sense. From the reddit forum analysis itself, unless you using audiophile DAC and headset equipment, both compared data is doesn't matter that much to the general consumer. And again, FloatPlane is not just providing LMG content, it's also having other creators content inside it, so if they upload their content, both audio and video source is the one to be a reference point for the final stream quality.

 

About the deceptive marketing thing, remember the whole fiasco surrounding GTX 970 marketed having 4GB of VRAM? which is heavily marketed by NVIDIA as one of big selling point. NVIDIA caught red-handed that the remaining 512MB of VRAM is actually running slower than the rest 3.5GB of VRAM. And you damn sure everyone caught the smoking fire from that fiasco. But in the end of the day? even as of last year, GTX 970 is still considered a well investment for people that buying it.

 

It's not about one deceptive marketing that made a platform or any product bad, but how the overall value and quality to each patron/consumer is matter. Again, I hate that many corporation "getting away with it", but also, again, it is what it is.

The GTX 970 fiasco is quite a bad example to bring up for your argument, because Nvidia was successfully sued and had to pay $30 to every affected US customer over it. I don't know where you're getting your "considered a well investment" metrics from, but the issue is probably the most well known problem of any GPU ever released and often when that graphics card is brought up, does the VRAM issue also get brought up at some point in the same breath.

[Mertrodome]

23 minutes ago, Benergy said:

Ah, yet another post pushing an agenda, from someone who only joined the forums this week.

 

In fairness the subreddit, where the post is actually from, has been in "community only" mode for the past few days. I believe the bar for entry is 50 karma on that specific subreddit.

 

So regardless of the age of the account on these forums, at the very least the OP on Reddit must have either been around a bit or posted something of some substance in the past.

 

Obviously no idea what that was, but we can at least rule out that they've jumped on the bandwagon right now, or their post would've been auto-deleted on the sub.

 

Moreover they're clearly a Floatplane subscriber, so to my mind they are a little different to the look in audience from r/all and the like.

[adm0n]

5 minutes ago, AHPanda said:

Just to go back in time a bit. Back in te 30's, several lightbulb factories set up an arrangement to purposely downgrade the quality of their product so they wouldn't last longer than x amount of hours. The public backlash was "it is what it is". That was +90 years ago, nothing changed.

That is actually not a good analogy. The physics behind light bulbs was pretty well understood at that time. You just have to make a choice between efficiency and longevity. The hotter/brighter you can drive the wire in the light bulb, the more energy will be output in the visible spectrum. So no one downgraded their products, if you want proof of that, the cartel in question is long disbanded, but all light bulbs still follow all the same guidelines (I think it was 1000h on time). If you want a video about it ->

On the other hand, I don't think this is okai from floatplane. They obviously advertised better quality and now aren't delivering it anymore. They probably just unified their floatplane and youtube production, so that they don't have to render separate files for each website ... Floatplane is technically capable of delivering higher audio quality, which is also portrait in the reddit post. I do hope LMG responds to this though.