Madison reveals experiences working at LMG

[RWxAshley]

3 minutes ago, Riccardo Cagnasso said:

I re-read her whole twitter thread the third time and I would like to point out again that 90% of what she says is meaningless "I didn't like the job" stuff that shouldn't have any public interest and 10% are the most generic sexual harassment allegations ever, without no proof or context provided.

 

I ask again, what is "inappropriate grabbing"? If someone grab me by the shoulder and pull to have my attention, is definitely inappropriate, but it's not the same thing as grabbing my ass.

I need you to understand that inappropriate grabbing can be a lot of things for woman, and that is very dependent on the situation is all I can offer. And we don't like the fact that it happened let alone fully detailing it. It can be anything from weirdly rubbing against us, wrapping an arm around us, just a lot of things that specifically happen when someone doesn't know how to just talk to us like people, but see us as attractive, and they can get weirdly handsy, touchy, or invasive with our personal bubble. Its not something I can just define because its a thing that you only really get once it clicks, and you know what we're talking about.

[NullPointerError]

2 minutes ago, Rolandio said:

Someone wrote something on Twitter. It must be true!

 

 

She totally didn't write all these things at the same time as GN criticism to gain traction.

 

I'm not saying any of it didn't happen in one way or another, but it feels like a very convenient timing to "reveal it all" and a lot of embellishment surrounding the stories. If the LTT as a workplace was really that terrible as she describes it people wouldn't work there for years, there's plenty of opportunities to be found elsewhere.

She did write the negative review in glass door way before the GN incident

[Maslofski]

well, thats enough LTT

[Orbital_Aurora]

2 minutes ago, Rolandio said:

I'm not saying any of it didn't happen in one way or another, but it feels like a very convenient timing to "reveal it all" and a lot of embellishment surrounding the stories. If the LTT as a workplace was really that terrible as she describes it people wouldn't work there for years, there's plenty of opportunities to be found elsewhere.

I think that revealing that while LTT is in another controversy is just because yeah it gives confidence that people may be more en lined to listen to it rather than out of nowhere when people would be more likely to brush it off

 

 

As for people working there for a long time, Luke, Ed, Brandon and other that have been there for a while obviously have a different relation to the company, and also most of them are men Wich (even if some want to deny it) makes a great difference.

[iAxX]

4 minutes ago, Rolandio said:

Someone wrote something on Twitter. It must be true!

 

 

She totally didn't write all these things at the same time as GN criticism to gain traction.

 

I'm not saying any of it didn't happen in one way or another, but it feels like a very convenient timing to "reveal it all" and a lot of embellishment surrounding the stories. If the LTT as a workplace was really that terrible as she describes it people wouldn't work there for years, there's plenty of opportunities to be found elsewhere.

She initially wrote a GlassDoor review when she left the company. 

She also finally felt safe to release all of this now because she knows the fanbase isn't rabid anymore and they won't just jump in the defense of Linus immediately. 

 

It's the perfect time to release it. 

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6 minutes ago, mrgerry123 said:

Absolutely agree that youtube comment sorting is terrible but it was the top comment when I clicked on the video and after a pretty extensive search I can't find it. Could have been deleted by the original poster of course which is why I said appear rather than have.

yeah, they deleted this comment

[LogicalDrm]

One note about Madison. This is something I wrote in modchat back when the first allegations came up. She should have gone official route back then. When she claimed to have had discussions with other former female employees and got backing to what she was saying. Now its been a while, and culture might have improved so much that current employees don't see the same. We can't know for sure.

 

The other reason why I believe she should have made official complaint. To protect her own future. Attacking your former employer publicly is only good when you have secured workplace and support from current employers. Otherwise it might backfire badly. Which public company would want to hire social media team-member who will make accusations against then if fired, layed off or otherwise terminated working relationship.

[aka473]

it's joever

[BilLow5G]

2 minutes ago, Drazil100 said:

I personally am taking this whole thing very seriously. That said we don't have any hard proof and I do not want to come to any conclusions unless we get some emails or some independent review of the business.

That said the additional context of the other women who have worked there makes me want to see them get investigated even more. If true this is completely unacceptable.

It is true and I am completely on the saying "Innocent until proven guilty", but you know, a lot of coincidences... It's maybe that I tend to be more biased with these things but also, you have to understand that LTT for me, formed my life as I know it. I have been with them since the NCIX days. This whole ordeal is just messing with me really bad.

[LovelyDumpling]

Just now, iAxX said:

She initially wrote a GlassDoor review when she left the company. 

She also finally felt safe to release all of this now because she knows the fanbase isn't rabid anymore and they won't just jump in the defense of Linus immediately. 

 

It's the perfect time to release it. 

I mean hell, even during this entire situation there STILL is a large section of the fanbase jumping to the defense of Linus immediately. Like, we're here, right now, seeing it happen.

[Drazil100]

3 minutes ago, yoc said:

This. The Madison's issue is a lot more serious than the GN video. It was what made me create this account and unsub and that tells a lot.

I agree but the situation is far more complicated with Madison. A misstep by LMG in how they respond to this could open them up to legal problems. I am not at all shocked that they didn't respond to this and I am also not expecting them to respond anytime in the near future. A proper investigation needs to happen.

[mMontana]

@LogicalDrm I personally can agree on the ground opinion of this post. However, I was not there, so i cannot tell "I know best" or anyone that does that might have the kindest and most reasonable  "other option" in the world... but like me was not there. To tell if she's telling the truth or not, for advise her to a different (who knows if better) path of behaviour.

[Orbital_Aurora]

1 minute ago, BilLow5G said:

but you know, a lot of coincidences..

We are entitled, as viewers to know the truth. As I don't want to support clothing brands that use slave labour, I don't want to support YouTube channels with a working environment that toxic

[Gianluca Angeli]

2 minutes ago, iAxX said:

She initially wrote a GlassDoor review when she left the company. 

She also finally felt safe to release all of this now because she knows the fanbase isn't rabid anymore and they won't just jump in the defense of Linus immediately. 

 

It's the perfect time to release it. 

if she had posted it before GN video she would've been harassed by the majority on LTT fanbase.  This is the perfect time to post stuff like that and (if it's true) i can see other people stepping up to support those claims. 

[LogicalDrm]

6 minutes ago, mrparker said:

Also, if the person is referring to Youtube comments - Youtube's algorithm is applied to a lot of channels, I have no doubt LMG has a list of words or phrases that get removed by an automod. I doubt they're "censoring" the stuff about Madison intentionally.

It wasn't clear from the first post, the one I was quoting. The clarification was made in subsequent posts.

[Moortu]

Everything she says is both believable and not.

 

Schrödinger's statement

[mrparker]

5 minutes ago, LogicalDrm said:

One note about Madison. This is something I wrote in modchat back when the first allegations came up. She should have gone official route back then. When she claimed to have had discussions with other former female employees and got backing to what she was saying. Now its been a while, and culture might have improved so much that current employees don't see the same. We can't know for sure.

 

The other reason why I believe she should have made official complaint. To protect her own future. Attacking your former employer publicly is only good when you have secured workplace and support from current employers. Otherwise it might backfire badly. Which public company would want to hire social media team-member who will make accusations against then if fired, layed off or otherwise terminated working relationship.

To be fair, she might have already done something or at least looked into her options - I don't think it's right to say for sure.

 

Allegations against public figures have taken years, if not at least a decade or two before resulting in action that was meaningful. That includes blowing the whistle on the issue.

 

I also wouldn't be surprised if she was afraid to do anything at all - a lot of women have issues with doing anything with regard to this out of fear. It takes time & strength and imo this is a huge step in the right direction to resolve this & I am proud of her.

 

Also, her not name dropping anyone is why I believe this - she has very little left to fear since the cat is out of the bag now.

[RWxAshley]

6 minutes ago, Rolandio said:

Someone wrote something on Twitter. It must be true!

 

 

She totally didn't write all these things at the same time as GN criticism to gain traction.

 

I'm not saying any of it didn't happen in one way or another, but it feels like a very convenient timing to "reveal it all" and a lot of embellishment surrounding the stories. If the LTT as a workplace was really that terrible as she describes it people wouldn't work there for years, there's plenty of opportunities to be found elsewhere.

I'm trying to figure out how to say this without being rude. This is just how we as humans work. We see other talking about something, and decide to put in our 2 cents about it. This was some big controversial news that came out surronding LTT's toxic work culture, and issues with quality control that it pushed LMG into making a core video for their youtube channel. I'm not surprised Madison saw the news, saw the reactions to the GN video, and felt like it was time to finally say her piece after seeing others discuss their issues with the company. Its very possible the GN video was the first time she saw LTT employees voicing public frustration with the company, and the community being in agreement instead of folks just staying quiet about it.

Just to offer a counter to this.

[Drazil100]

5 minutes ago, BilLow5G said:

It is true and I am completely on the saying "Innocent until proven guilty", but you know, a lot of coincidences... It's maybe that I tend to be more biased with these things but also, you have to understand that LTT for me, formed my life as I know it. I have been with them since the NCIX days. This whole ordeal is just messing with me really bad.

Me too. I haven't been following nearly as long as you, but I have been following them for years. I am not trying to defend LMG, but we need evidence. 

[Kravatie1]

we'll see what comes out at the end of this

 

whether what madison said is true or not 

[iAxX]

3 minutes ago, LogicalDrm said:

One note about Madison. This is something I wrote in modchat back when the first allegations came up. She should have gone official route back then. When she claimed to have had discussions with other former female employees and got backing to what she was saying. Now its been a while, and culture might have improved so much that current employees don't see the same. We can't know for sure.

 

The other reason why I believe she should have made official complaint. To protect her own future. Attacking your former employer publicly is only good when you have secured workplace and support from current employers. Otherwise it might backfire badly. Which public company would want to hire social media team-member who will make accusations against then if fired, layed off or otherwise terminated working relationship.

Expecting a 19 year old who thinks she's under NDA to hire a lawyer and build a case against a multi million dollar company for workplace abuse is a bit far fetched. 

Not to mention she was in a foreign country, 2000+ miles away from her parents with no support network. 

 

In hindsight we could all go back to when we were 19 and rewrite our history with what we should've done but let's be real, there's no handbook or guide out there on how to handle being sexually harassed at your dream job and having to decide if you should make it public or keep your mouth shut because it might affect your career. 

 

Her career was obviously going to be as a content creator, LTT viewers going after her if she came out at the time could've been devastating. 

[Riccardo Cagnasso]

Also a lot of the things she says shows poor judgment from her.

She tells that she was tasked to manage the onlyfans account and she said she didn't want to and they told her to wait a little bit longer.

She tells it like she's a victim here and they were evil for asking her to "wait a little bit longer".

The hell?

She was the social media manager.

If I were Linus i would have told her that if she wasn't able to to her job, he would have find a new social media manager that could.

Do you think social media management companies reject porn-related accounts because they employee don't like it? Do you think that a web developer that works in a company that landed a contract with a porn site can say "sorry I don't like it make someone else do it"?

It's a job, you either do what you are asked to do or leave.

[Super_goose_007]

22 minutes ago, Drazil100 said:

Unions are like a marriage dispute. It's all he said she said where the union could be acting in bad faith, the business could be acting in bad faith, or both of them could be acting in bad faith. Unions support an important role in society but it's a case by case basis on whether the union is good or not.

Yeah, it's like that time when they gave rights to women. If a woman had any complaints in the marriage, she could just complain to the husband, no need for any third party to get involved and mess about. 

[nyanbinary]

9 minutes ago, iAxX said:

She initially wrote a GlassDoor review when she left the company. 

She also finally felt safe to release all of this now because she knows the fanbase isn't rabid anymore and they won't just jump in the defense of Linus immediately. 

 

It's the perfect time to release it. 

For context: here is the Glassdoor review she left.

[hassam222]

15 minutes ago, Rolandio said:

Someone wrote something on Twitter. It must be true!

 

 

She totally didn't write all these things at the same time as GN criticism to gain traction.

 

I'm not saying any of it didn't happen in one way or another, but it feels like a very convenient timing to "reveal it all" and a lot of embellishment surrounding the stories. If the LTT as a workplace was really that terrible as she describes it people wouldn't work there for years, there's plenty of opportunities to be found elsewhere.

The Glassdoor review predates the GN thing no?