Madison reveals experiences working at LMG

[mMontana]

3 minutes ago, Riccardo Cagnasso said:

If I were Linus i would have told her that if she wasn't able to to her job, he would have find a new social media manager that could.

So why she's not been fired or passed the probation time, if was that crappy?

[yorgaraz]

I've fell from the sky reading all this. Never expected LMG to be positioned anywhere near this. And for people saying "oh how convenient she came out just now" do not realize that some people for xyz reasons would rather accumulate bad events and happenings to themselves for years instead of coming out upfront and speaking the truth. And we are talking about this person who is very young and probably this was, if not her first job, one of the first. It is totally understandable why she would be hesitant, and especially when SA is also involved.

 

I am speechless. Shame on LTT, Shame on people who allowed this to happen, Shame on me who watch a lot of LTT (since its founding days back with the early unboxing videos) and placing it in the "company with little to no mistakes" shelf.

Bad things all around, no matter how you cut it

[Orbital_Aurora]

1 minute ago, Riccardo Cagnasso said:

It's a job, you either do what you are asked to do or leave.

I do not know how it works in every country but that is not the case everywhere, managing social media and managing a social media where it is expected to receive a lot of sexual content is definitely not the same and I think it is right for her to be mad that she had to do that when it was definitely not what she signed for. Especially with her being a woman and it being public that she would be the one managing it.

[Ottoman420]

2 minutes ago, Riccardo Cagnasso said:

Also a lot of the things she says shows poor judgment from her.

She tells that she was tasked to manage the onlyfans account and she said she didn't want to and they told her to wait a little bit longer.

She tells it like she's a victim here and they were evil for asking her to "wait a little bit longer".

The hell?

She was the social media manager.

If I were Linus i would have told her that if she wasn't able to to her job, he would have find a new social media manager that could.

Do you think social media management companies reject porn-related accounts because they employee don't like it? Do you think that a web developer that works in a company that landed a contract with a porn site can say "sorry I don't like it make someone else do it"?

It's a job, you either do what you are asked to do or leave.

Sounds like you would have more issues than Linus right now.

 

[KennyD35]

The overall tone of this thread is proof positive that Madison's concerns are completely justified.

[Drazil100]

4 minutes ago, Riccardo Cagnasso said:

Also a lot of the things she says shows poor judgment from her.

She tells that she was tasked to manage the onlyfans account and she said she didn't want to and they told her to wait a little bit longer.

She tells it like she's a victim here and they were evil for asking her to "wait a little bit longer".

The hell?

She was the social media manager.

If I were Linus i would have told her that if she wasn't able to to her job, he would have find a new social media manager that could.

Do you think social media management companies reject porn-related accounts because they employee don't like it? Do you think that a web developer that works in a company that landed a contract with a porn site can say "sorry I don't like it make someone else do it"?

It's a job, you either do what you are asked to do or leave.

This is a REALLY bad take. Assuming she is telling the truth some of the allegations are absolutely horrible to the point she claimed she hospitalized herself by cutting open her leg because that was the only way she could leave.

I don't trust her at face value, but if she is telling the truth I don't want to be the one to dismiss her. We need evidence.

[SnazzyB]

Seriously ltt the alligations madison has made are very serious and need to be addressed professionally and with respect 

I cannot believe that a youtube channel i had been watching for soo long could turn up the way it did.

 

Linus, the questions on authenticity of the data and ethics of the company as a whole really made me lose trust in you, trust me when i say you are a role model for millions like me and it holds a huge responsibility toward the society

 

You need to get your shit together man you need to regain the trust of the community.

we want a youtuber not another profit focused media company.

[Origami Cactus]

redacted

 

[Orbital_Aurora]

3 minutes ago, nyanbinary said:

For context: here is the Glassdoor review she left.

This review seems to be in line with her thread and maybe it is the format but I find it extremely believable.

[BilLow5G]

2 minutes ago, Riccardo Cagnasso said:

Also a lot of the things she says shows poor judgment from her.

She tells that she was tasked to manage the onlyfans account and she said she didn't want to and they told her to wait a little bit longer.

She tells it like she's a victim here and they were evil for asking her to "wait a little bit longer".

The hell?

She was the social media manager.

If I were Linus i would have told her that if she wasn't able to to her job, he would have find a new social media manager that could.

Do you think social media management companies reject porn-related accounts because they employee don't like it? Do you think that a web developer that works in a company that landed a contract with a porn site can say "sorry I don't like it make someone else do it"?

It's a job, you either do what you are asked to do or leave.

Man your points are so out of touch. People like you represent the main problem with the tech community. How can she not be a victim if she felt she was "grabbed inappropriately"? How would you feel if your sister/mother came up to you and told you that someone at worked grabbed them inappropriately. 

Why do you people need to shit on someones feelings? What do you earn?

 

6 minutes ago, Riccardo Cagnasso said:

If I were Linus

You are not linus. You are a random NPC. That's the sad truth. 

[digitalscream]

13 minutes ago, LogicalDrm said:

One note about Madison. This is something I wrote in modchat back when the first allegations came up. She should have gone official route back then. When she claimed to have had discussions with other former female employees and got backing to what she was saying. Now its been a while, and culture might have improved so much that current employees don't see the same. We can't know for sure.

 

The other reason why I believe she should have made official complaint. To protect her own future. Attacking your former employer publicly is only good when you have secured workplace and support from current employers. Otherwise it might backfire badly. Which public company would want to hire social media team-member who will make accusations against then if fired, layed off or otherwise terminated working relationship.

One word: inexperience.

 

She's young, and pretty green when it comes to workplace conflict (hell, I didn't even get the hang of handling conflicts confidently until I was mid-30s). Not only that, but - if what she said is true - she'd effectively been beaten down (emotionally) by people she'd looked up to for years. Not difficult to see how she'd end up in a state where a) she blamed herself, or b) she didn't feel she'd be able to see through any official complaint to the end without further compromising her mental health.

 

I'm not saying you're wrong, just that it's entirely understandable why she didn't.

[Zberg]

So while I think any serious allegations like this should be investigated, and those anyone responsible should be disciplined appropriately if true...it seems a bridge too far.  I know this stuff can happen anywhere, but 2023, post gamergate, post blizzard activision, at a very politically correct, progressive-leaning company (or at least the leadership) that make strong statements about this kind of stuff and supposedly have a zero tolerance policy.  Im not saying it isn't possible, but if these egregious  things are happening left and right as stated, then not only should you have evidence that should be easy to obtain, or witnesses, or contemporaneous verification of some sort...but also the burden of proof is on you for these kinds of claims.

 

We had an employee quit who was never able to keep up in his role, was late all the time, and was miserable to work with.  When we warned him the first time he went direct to HR and said he was working in a racially hostile environment.  This wasn't substantiated by anyone, including the many happy employees of various races that work here.  After this confrontation he got worse, and eventually fired.  His response was a letter and tirade about how irremediably racist the hospital is, how he experienced regular racism, jokes, the N-word, etc.  Not only was this all not backed up by any other employee he ever worked with, but due to the nature of hospitals nowadays, we have cameras basically everywhere.  0% of his claims were ever verified, and it turns out a review of the camera footage also backed up our claims that he was late ALMOST EVERY DAY.  Like 30+ minutes late.

 

Im not saying this Madison thing is that.  I am saying I have seen this before.  Workers that are unhappy in their position, and maybe having trouble keeping up, say a lot of things when they leave.  The stuff our hospital and group were accused of would  have had us on page 1 of every news outlet in the country it was so egregious.  Fortunately, again, we have non stop camera footage for safety.  The burden of proof for very incendiary claims like this is on the person making them.  

[kw10001]

The fact there are actually people in this thread willing to brush this under the rug is depressing. 

[mrparker]

48 minutes ago, LogicalDrm said:

HR overall has been one section of handling business LMG negledged a long time. In some recent video, Linus said that they have had HR team/dedicated person for about year only. So way after Madison left the company. Before that, IIRC, Yvonne was the lead and all team-leaders would suggest new hires for her to approve before Linus' approval. So in that sense, you are correct, but with Madison, they probably just lacked both resources and knowledge on what to look at/for.

 

Also worth noting that before HR team, Linus used to have interview over lunch. That alone is pretty bad sounding in this subject matter.

 

Not here (Finland). Here are benefits from unions for non-members:

• Workers Agreement free to be read by anyone
• Toll-free phone line for questions
• Basic level legal advice for work disagreements and for example interpreting agreements
• Emails to contact to

For paid members:

• Free lawyer services for work place disagreements
• Member discussions via forums or mailing lists
• Events, education, trips etc.
• Coupon codes for various services and entertainment

You guys are lucky, in the US union busting is just a expense write off for businesses here. America is very anti-worker and anti-labor.

 

I have no idea about Canada however.

[qindecim]

Over the past couple of days, I've read so many posts levying personal insults at Linus here, that I am actually genuinely surprised at how toxic most of you can be. The people who are doing that are adding nothing to the conversation other than stoking the drama so they can feel good about themselves. You contribute nothing! Take a chill pill, go outside, take a walk, drink a coffee and enjoy the scenery and realize there is life outside of your room. I know shitposting on forums is cool but you are literally wasting your life!

You all need to take a BIG chill pill the Madison drama. Seems like in the past few years, especially with the metoo movement, it's become quite effective to gather clout by accusing someone or a company of sexual harassment and abuse. For me personally, my gut reaction is that anyone who waits so long to drop accusations like that, especially when the public image of a company or a person in on the low side, is doing so for clout and some form of feel good "revenge" because they feel somehow disgruntled. Especially when there is no proof for anything!!! Most of these type of accusations, have been proven to be baseless! Not to mention there have literally been innocent people put in jail and their life destroyed because someone else accused them of rape and later admitted the accusations were false. I distinctly remember this one guy who went in jail when falsely accused of rape and later killing himself even after he was proven innocent. later his mom either also killed herself or died of health complications resulting from all of this BS.

And that is my main point. If you want to accuse someone or a company of something, you need to have PROOF! Otherwise, in my book, you have zero ground to say anything. And the same applies to all of you out there! None of you actually know what happened with Madison. You don't know what went on in there, what the workplace dynamic was, or even what "grabbing" means in her situation. Was she "grabbed" by her shoulder to get her attention? Was she actually grabbed by her ass in an attempt to sexually harass her? NONE OF YOU ACTUALLY KNOW! And unless there is some proof or receipts as the zoomers seem to call proof nowadays, you all need to relax! I know you get that nice rush of adrenaline and dopamine when you start shitposting and stoking the fire, but lets be honest, that is low quality entertainment! Until there is proof or an actual court verdict, as these are accusations which could warrant a lawsuit, you all need to stop making assumptions based on 5 twitter posts!

PS: I've even seen people calling for LLT's bankruptcy and wishing for the company to be dissolved. Based on what? On your premature hype and desire to stand on a moral highground? Come on everyone. You realize there are more than 100 people working there right? Many of whom rely on that job to pay their bills and loans and probably had personally seen Madison or Linus 3 times total. Get a grip with reality people and stop being so aggressive. Stop following the hype and stop allowing yourself to be pulled into shit like this so easily!

[DakotaCx]

3 minutes ago, nyanbinary said:

Madison review on Glassdoor if people believe she's making it all up.

I'm not really sure how this proves anything than her perception. Her whole claim comes off as a young adult entering a workforce with unrealistic expectations and getting reality checked, then pulling the mental health card.

 

I see this in my own high performing work environment in emergency medicine. 

 

And it is just a claim, there is no evidence. That's important to recognize. 

 

Maybe she does struggle, if so,that only furthers the perception disconnect..

 

I'm sure there are nuggets of truth in there, such as the difficulty females face in male dominated professions, but overall I highly doubt it's as she claims overall. Yvonne is pretty much the #2 there, and more so prior to the new CEO, I really don't see her standing for any of that. 

 

Regardless, I do not believe discussions regarding current or former employees are something any company should hold publicly. 

 

[SomeKittyKat]

No matter if all this is true or false. At this point the people working at this company need to Unionize.

[creat0r]

13 minutes ago, Rolandio said:

it feels like a very convenient timing to "reveal it all" and a lot of embellishment surrounding the stories. If the LTT as a workplace was really that terrible as she describes it people wouldn't work there for years, there's plenty of opportunities to be found elsewhere

1 - Not all, but a lot of Linus fans have previously proven many times to always take his side no matter what and therefore it's understandable that Madison didn't wanna talk about this publicly earlier because a lot of people would destroy her. This is really the first time when the LTT community has actually REALLY proven that they can hold LTT accountable, and therefore I actually find it understandable that Madison felt the timing was right.

 

2 - As I said I a previous post, I watched Madison's livestreams a couple of times over the years and there's been clear hints of her experiencing this. She didn't make this up now, she has hinted at this multiple times in her livestreams over the years.

 

3 - The majority of the staff at LMG is male. Just because the percentage of total employees leaving a male dominated company is low doesn't mean that a some women can't have had bad experiences.

 

4 - There's issues with sexual harassment in the tech industry for women. So for a women there might not be "plenty of opportunities" for a sexual free environment in this industry.

[ToboRobot]

Just now, SomeKittyKat said:

No matter if all this is true or false. At this point the people working at this company need to Unionize.

Because unions never have toxic environments.  LOL

[nlbv5000]

This is an extremely serious case, but for me personally I think there just have been too many cases of false internet accusations in the past few years to just jump on one side of the argument and ignore the rest before both have answered.
(Linus already had a vaguely similar thing with that Chinese creator a while back, while it seemed to be just a cultural misunderstanding in the end, the accusations against him back then were not true).

They probably didn't include any of this in the latest video as it was done before any of this was mentioned, and I think it is for the best, something this serious deserves its own response, not just being tacked on to the previous problems.

For now, I'll reserve my judgment if and when LMG officially responds to this, but if it is not done in the near future (as soon as possible), that will just show that it all is unfortunately true. 

[wolfsbane3083]

Looks like LMG are actively deleting any comments made on their "apology" video about Madison....

[hassam222]

2 minutes ago, mrparker said:

You guys are lucky, in the US union busting is just a expense write off for businesses here. America is very anti-worker and anti-labor.

 

I have no idea about Canada however.

Canada is a halfway point between the US and western Europe in that regard. Far stronger worker protection than the US but weaker than France.

[ToboRobot]

27 minutes ago, Rolandio said:

Someone wrote something on Twitter. It must be true!

 

 

She totally didn't write all these things at the same time as GN criticism to gain traction.

 

I'm not saying any of it didn't happen in one way or another, but it feels like a very convenient timing to "reveal it all" and a lot of embellishment surrounding the stories. If the LTT as a workplace was really that terrible as she describes it people wouldn't work there for years, there's plenty of opportunities to be found elsewhere.

Do you think LMG is going to file a defamation lawsuit to protect their reputation from the damage she may cause with these tweets?

 

[Kravatie1]

Just now, wolfsbane3083 said:

Looks like LMG are actively deleting any comments made on their "apology" video about Madison....

good, not the place for it

[agent-09]

What I found fishy is the timing!!

If someone is ready to harm themself for a day off, I'm a little sceptical, you are not in North korea or in a prison, no one is forcing you to come to work.

i know that some times you might be in dark places.

If the workplace is not safe, quite, I know it's difficult to find other jobs, or the financial situation might be hard, but my will being is primordial.