Madison reveals experiences working at LMG

[Legitsu]

23 minutes ago, JoshuaScholar said:

I suppose there's a slight possibility that she "gives it out but can't take it" on a crazy level, that she is also guilty of everything she accuses others of.  But we can't know things like that if we weren't in the room for every single interaction.

 

I have argued from the beginning that the structure of work needs to be different with things like union representatives who you can ask to be in the room for every meeting.

exactly just like we can't KNOW what the FULL TRUTH is

 

my company is having a really bad week as well if I go on my personal twitter and claim my boss took it out my me by touching me in my no no square does that make it truth ? would you belive me if I wrote a sob piece about how I have been abused the last decade ? because I been though shit that would turn maddisons hair 3 shades of gray then back to blond again and seen worse.

 

people need to grow some thicker skin especially if you work with the public in any shape or form becaususe eventually somebody is gonna offend your sensablitys 

Edited August 19, 2023 by Legitsu

[Cooldoe]

45 minutes ago, Mutex01 said:

You believe that requiring an employee to read lewd comments and look at obscene pictures after they have objected to this isn't sexual harassment?!?!

 

I don't know where you live, but you would be very wrong in Canada at least.

How would LMG team would know that someone would send obscene photo?

Just because it is onlyfans? You are generalizing here.

As mention before the subscriber is mainly member of the community and they did not even expect there would be anyone subscribing to it.

So there is no plan on forcing anyone to see any lewd picture

[Cooldoe]

54 minutes ago, Mutex01 said:

You believe that requiring an employee to read lewd comments and look at obscene pictures after they have objected to this isn't sexual harassment?!?!

 

I don't know where you live, but you would be very wrong in Canada at least.

If that the case the no one can work to manage twitter/X account then as you will find more in twitter compared to managing a joke onlyfans account

[S_g]

59 minutes ago, Cooldoe said:

How would LMG team would know that someone would send obscene photo?

Because she told them it was happening.

 

1 hour ago, Cooldoe said:

Just because it is onlyfans? You are generalizing here.

Yes, it’s like if LTT decided pornhub was a good alternate to YouTube.  While what they are hosting isn’t a problem there is a reasonable expectation of what will be on the platform. 

[Montana One-Six]

I don't care for either party in this discussion. Just one thing I want to throw in here.

 

If you are a social media manager for any company you will be confronted with things you probably aren't comfortable with. That is the nature of the internet and someone who works with social media should be aware of that. If they are not aware of that they should probably watch the documentary 'The Cleaners' (or any other that shows the work of content moderators) because to some extent they will probably see and be confronted with things like that in a social media job.

 

Like I said I don't care about either party but working in social media you should be able to handle things like that to a certain degree and if you cannot you probably have the wrong job.

[Super_goose_007]

8 minutes ago, Montana One-Six said:

I don't care for either party in this discussion. Just one thing I want to throw in here.

 

If you are a social media manager for any company you will be confronted with things you probably aren't comfortable with. That is the nature of the internet and someone who works with social media should be aware of that. If they are not aware of that they should probably watch the documentary 'The Cleaners' (or any other that shows the work of content moderators) because to some extent they will probably see and be confronted with things like that in a social media job.

 

Like I said I don't care about either party but working in social media you should be able to handle things like that to a certain degree and if you cannot you probably have the wrong job.

A slight difference between accepting a job as a social media manager at a tech-reviewer company, and a porn-platform? They did it only for the 'lols'.

[Cooldoe]

46 minutes ago, S_g said:

Because she told them it was happening.

 

Yes, it’s like if LTT decided pornhub was a good alternate to YouTube.  While what they are hosting isn’t a problem there is a reasonable expectation of what will be on the platform. 

She said about not wanting to host it before the whole ordeal as far as I know from the twitter post.

 

You di know pornhub and onlyfans have method right? Onlyfans is subscriber only. So you need to pay before you can msg your creator

[BigFatTeddy]

3 hours ago, leeatschool said:

Americans are wrong about a lot of things. But it is pretty much universally not okay to expose your employee to harmful materials (including that which was inevitably sent to the LST OF). It isn't a matter of ooh its just how the internet is. OF is a porn platform, at the end of the day, its what it is, and that means that there is a higher expectation and duty of protection surrounding it. 

Isn't that why you would have a social media manager handle it and not some bloke sitting at the office? 

 

Just out of curiosity, who in the company should handle that if not the social media manager?

 

So, if she got sent dick pics on normal channels, it would also be "the company's" task to bring up controls to "protect" her? I'm just wondering who in the company would do this? The employee protection officer?

 

At that point in time, she was hired as social media manager; she complained about some of the social media and obviously had no clue how to protect herself on that platform or deal with the situation. Does that mean she was not up for the task?

 

I'm not grasping the logic here. I'm also in the position of hiring people, and if I put somebody in a manager position, I expect him to deal with situations. That kinda comes with the title "manager". And if I hire you as a social media manager and task you with dealing with "bad" social media, and you get back to me and tell me, you don't know what to do next and you feel unwell with the task, you're obviously not meeting my expectations.

[Cooldoe]

3 minutes ago, BigFatTeddy said:

Isn't that why you would have a social media manager handle it and not some bloke sitting at the office? 

 

Just out of curiosity, who in the company should handle that if not the social media manager?

 

So, if she got sent dick pics on normal channels, it would also be "the company's" task to bring up controls to "protect" her? I'm just wondering who in the company would do this? The employee protection officer?

 

At that point in time, she was hired as social media manager; she complained about some of the social media and obviously had no clue how to protect herself on that platform or deal with the situation. Does that mean she was not up for the task?

 

I'm not grasping the logic here. I'm also in the position of hiring people, and if I put somebody in a manager position, I expect him to deal with situations. That kinda comes with the title "manager". And if I hire you as a social media manager and task you with dealing with "bad" social media, and you get back to me and tell me, you don't know what to do next and you feel unwell with the task, you're obviously not meeting my expectations.

I would also like to point out that you are more likely to find obscene pic in twitter compared to a joke onlyfans subscriber only group where it only run 1 month if I not mistaken

 

To get obscene pic in the onlyfans it must be someone in the community that send it or someone accidentally subscribed to LTT onlyfans

[Vexenar]

25 minutes ago, Montana One-Six said:

If you are a social media manager for any company you will be confronted with things you probably aren't comfortable with. That is the nature of the internet and someone who works with social media should be aware of that. If they are not aware of that they should probably watch the documentary 'The Cleaners' (or any other that shows the work of content moderators) because to some extent they will probably see and be confronted with things like that in a social media job.

While it is true that part of the job means being confronted with things people are probably not comfortable with the company they work for also have a responsibility to have safeguards in place to help their workforce when they are confronted with something traumatic.

I used to be a moderator on a very big online platform in the early 2000s when places like 4Chan weren't as mainstream as they are now and I can tell you that the things you had to deal with as a moderator, and the content you had to remove were of the nature that some people seek professional council for. I'm talking about graphic images of animals being torn apart and other things of sexual nature I'd rather not speak about on a public forum. 

The point being, while you can expect to be confronted with certain content that may not be to your liking at a certain point you need to have something in place to help people that are dealing with such content, or anything of a traumatic nature that may start living it's own life in their head. From what I've seen so far it doesn't seem like there is anything remotely like that in place at LMG. While when I worked as a moderator it was not the norm to have guardrails in place because the Internet back then was very much the wild west these days you can pretty much expect toxicity, abusive posts or graphic images and people that moderate platforms or moderate social media have to deal with all that crap, and as such need something to fall back on. 

And to add upon what I said, the content posted these days is much worse than it was back then. 

[fenna]

3 hours ago, JoshuaScholar said:

I realize that Americans have a weird theory that all sexuality is magically traumatizing and that official reality is that it's somehow "sexual harassment" to be exposed to any expression, even by random people on the internet, if you self-identify as incapable of handling it.

European. Here.

All the firewalls in all the Companies that i work for has adult content block.

So maybe it's not so a North American thing.

[Cooldoe]

1 minute ago, Vexenar said:

While it is true that part of the job means being confronted with things people are probably not comfortable with the company they work for also have a responsibility to have safeguards in place to help their workforce when they are confronted with something traumatic.

I used to be a moderator on a very big online platform in the early 2000s when places like 4Chan weren't as mainstream as they are now and I can tell you that the things you had to deal with as a moderator, and the content you had to remove were of the nature that some people seek professional council for. I'm talking about graphic images of animals being torn apart and other things of sexual nature I'd rather not speak about on a public forum. 

The point being, while you can expect to be confronted with certain content that may not be to your liking at a certain point you need to have something in place to help people that are dealing with such content, or anything of a traumatic nature that may start living it's own life in their head. From what I've seen so far it doesn't seem like there is anything remotely like that in place at LMG. While when I worked as a moderator it was not the norm to have guardrails in place because the Internet back then was very much the wild west these days you can pretty much expect toxicity, abusive posts or praphic images and people that moderate platforms or moderate social media have to deal with all that crap, and as such need something to fall back on. 

If you cannot do the job you are hired to do then the only option is to fire you or to move you out to other position.

Although LMG is big but they are not big enough to have multiple people to handle the same jobs. So you are basically will dump the work you are paid to do to other people.

The onlyfans account is a temporary thing as well not a permanent position. They are abandoning the space and just stay there long enough to honor the paid subscriber and the other onlyfans creator

[Vexenar]

13 minutes ago, Cooldoe said:

If you cannot do the job you are hired to do then the only option is to fire you or to move you out to other position.

You think it's realistic to expect someone to fulfill a job that has them dealing with constant abuse, malicious comments, a toxic community and graphic images of a sexual nature? How long do you think someone can deal with that before they end up burning out, or worse, spiral into a depression because of being confronted with the aforementioned content? 

I honestly think people make the job out to be easier than it is, and severely underestimate the mental strain it has on someone's mental wellbeing as a whole. 
You can be confronted with content that severely messes you up in the head. 

 

16 minutes ago, Cooldoe said:

The onlyfans account is a temporary thing as well not a permanent position. They are abandoning the space and just stay there long enough to honor the paid subscriber and the other onlyfans creator

That's fine, but onlyfans isn't the only platform where content like that gets posted. 
And that's my point why LMG needs to have guardrails in place, especially when we all know how toxic the LMG fanbase can be. I shouldn't have to mention that the fanbase bullied people away and drove someone to commit suicide but here we are. 

[Cooldoe]

1 minute ago, Vexenar said:

You think it's realistic to expect someone to fulfill a job that has them dealing with constant abuse, malicious comments, a toxic community and graphic images of a sexual nature? How long do you think someone can deal with that before they end up burning out, or worse, spiral into a depression because of being confronted with the aforementioned content? 

I honestly think people make the job out to be easier than it is, and severely underestimate the mental strain it has on someone's mental wellbeing as a whole. 
You can be confronted with content that severely messes you up in the head. 

 

That's fine, but onlyfans isn't the only platform where content like that gets posted. 
And that's my point why LMG needs to have guardrails in place, especially when we all know how toxic the LMG fanbase can be. I shouldn't have to mention that the fanbase bullied people away and drove someone to commit suicide but here we are. 

Sorry if you cannot handle social media then you should not work on social media.

 

You are talking about guardrail to protect madison but what about Linus?

You know he received way more threat, inappropriate pic, and many others.

And currently he is receiving more death threat and slander way more than other people. Or he just suppose to such it up because he is a man who is rich and famous?

 

I think your guard rail idea is just not realistic in working world.

We only put guardrail to small children for a reason.

[digitalscream]

17 minutes ago, Vexenar said:

And that's my point why LMG needs to have guardrails in place, especially when we all know how toxic the LMG fanbase can be. I shouldn't have to mention that the fanbase bullied people away and drove someone to commit suicide but here we are. 

Communities don't learn, they repeatedly double-down beyond all reason.

 

None of us are as dumb as all of us.

[Vexenar]

13 minutes ago, Cooldoe said:

Sorry if you cannot handle social media then you should not work on social media.

 

You are talking about guardrail to protect madison but what about Linus?

You know he received way more threat, inappropriate pic, and many others.

And currently he is receiving more death threat and slander way more than other people. Or he just suppose to such it up because he is a man who is rich and famous?

 

I think your guard rail idea is just not realistic in working world.

We only put guardrail to small children for a reason.

You missed my point entirely, I was not talking about the Madison situation specifically. 
I was talking about having guardrails in place to help and protect their employees and giving them tools to deal with abuse, harassment or being confronted with NSFW content. Whether that's new procedures, an HR person specialized in talking to someone or whatever I'll leave in the middle. It's not a literal guard rail.
 

I've worked with companies that also have social media that do have guard rails in place. 
What it basically means is that those companies have something in place that their workers can depend on when they are dealing with something that they have personal issues with, just like how you would talk to someone after withnessing an accident where someone died, or a fire, etc. 

Also about Linus, part of the issue and the backlash he is facing is because he takes everything personally, doubles down and puts his foot in his mouth during WAN shows. No amount of handholding or Luke trying to prevent him from causing another issue (which he is failing at) will protect him from any backlash when he puts his own head on the chopping board. 

LMG has indicated that they do not have something like that, and employees are expected to talk about problems themselves. 
That's not healthy for a company.

[rickyc12s]

38 minutes ago, fenna said:

European. Here.

All the firewalls in all the Companies that i work for has adult content block.

So maybe it's not so a North American thing.

It is a different level though, American's will instantly put an M mature audience rating if there is a topless women. But violence? Guns? Murder? Well as long as you don't have blood you are A OK for PG.....likewise you can drop the F-bomb once and remain PG but a female breast? Outrageous!! 

 

They also seem to treat anyone under the age of 18 having sex as a rape victim, except that rather bizarre 'Romeo and Juliet' law that exists purely to prevent a 19 year old being charged as rapist for having sex with their 17 year old girlfriend of 3 years. 

 

It's not like it's open season for nudists and public sex acts in the rest of the world but America as a whole is certainly more prudish then other western nations

[Someona]

10 hours ago, Cosmic Emotion said:

Holy Mother of God. Tell me you have no idea about women without telling me you have no idea about women. Or human decency for that matter.

Not an argument, nothing to add to the facts you quoted?

[fenna]

16 minutes ago, rickyc12s said:

It's not like it's open season for nudists and public sex acts in the rest of the world but America as a whole is certainly more prudish then other western nations

Not my culture. So i cannot comment.

I never work for a North American Company yet. Neither I lived there. I visited Usa before COVID, but tourism Is not knowledge.

So i cannot comment about an area so vast that probably Is 4-3 times my country. So i presume there's differences even between different areas.

The only thing that i try to say Is that there are standard policy about adult content. And the real problem here Is the fact that LMG has a trust me Bro policy for HR. And as they could Say in myn country  "trust me Bro stocazzo".

[Cosmic Emotion]

2 minutes ago, Someona said:

Not an argument, nothing to add to the facts you quoted?

I don't add arguments to things that are a given. Not my style.

[Cooldoe]

13 minutes ago, Vexenar said:

You missed my point entirely, I was not talking about the Madison situation specifically. 
I was talking about having guardrails in place to help and protect their employees and giving them tools to deal with abuse, harassment or being confronted with NSFW content. Whether that's new procedures, an HR person specialized in talking to someone or whatever I'll leave in the middle. It's not a literal guard rail.
 

I've worked with companies that also have social media that do have guard rails in place. 
What it basically means is that those companies have something in place that their workers can depend on when they are dealing with something that they have personal issues with, just like how you would talk to someone after withnessing an accident where someone died, or a fire, etc. 

Also about Linus, part of the issue and the backlash he is facing is because he takes everything personally, doubles down and puts his foot in his mouth during WAN shows. No amount of handholding or Luke trying to prevent him from causing another issue (which he is failing at) will protect him from any backlash when he puts his own head on the chopping board. 

LMG has indicated that they do not have something like that, and employees are expected to talk about problems themselves. 
That's not healthy for a company.

You are deflecting here

 

We are specifically talking about working in social media manager position and this thread is about madison issue

If someone cannot take the position that they applied for then they should request to be moved or resign.

 

I agree that in the company there should not be any harassment and there should be guardrail for that. But in reality the guardrail very focused on to guard woman and man is more likely to be fired for even a small complain. One of the advise my boss given by HR is to never step into elevator/room where there only you and someone from the opposite sex.

 

you do realize because he is a celebrity he is receiving those in daily basis not just due to this issue right?

[Cooldoe]

44 minutes ago, HenrySalayne said:

Do you think the last April's fool joke was directly handled by the CEO, because it's a potato farm and who else should manage a potato farm than the CEO?

 

Why do you have an opinion on something you obviously know nothing about?

An employer has the duty of care for their employees. This means a proper risk assessment of any task an employee would do as well as a review process of the work environment, if problems are reported or become known.

Your "deal with it" approach will get you fined or charged with criminal negligence in any developed country.

Employer have responsibility if they put the employees in highly dangerous jobs.

Social Media Manager facing some Social media post surely not fit into the criteria.

In regards to onlyfans issue, people seem to jump into conclusion because it is a porn web you will see porn stuff but the reality is onlyfans is similar to Parthenon membership where you can only interact with chanel that you are subscribed into. In addition, the timeline for the onlyfans channels is very temporary.

The chance you see inappropriate content with a joke LTT onlyfans is smaller or at most equal to managing twitter account. There is no negligence there at all.

 

It is funny to see that so many people interested to become white knight to defend woman while forgetting as a famous creator Linus probably received a tons of hate mail, inappropriate contents and death treat even before this issue. 

[BigFatTeddy]

36 minutes ago, HenrySalayne said:

Do you think the last April's fool joke was directly handled by the CEO, because it's a potato farm and who else should manage a potato farm than the CEO?

I'm probably just not getting the point here.

 

36 minutes ago, HenrySalayne said:

Why do you have an opinion on something you obviously know nothing about?

An employer has the duty of care for their employees. This means a proper risk assessment of any task an employee would do as well as a review process of the work environment, if problems are reported or become known.

This is simply wrong. All organizations have established - be it either formal or informal - levels of risk appetite. It comes with the territory. As an employee of a specific vertical or a specific industry, you usually are aware of the "acceptable levels of residual risks" that come with your job. And that does not mean, that every new risk will be treated by the full stack of procedures. You're just wrong with that assessment; this is not how risk management works. You are describing a micro-managed environment that you might have encountered somewhere, but this is definitely not the way risk management happens. What you are describing is the absence of risk management.

 

In short: If I hire somebody for a specific job, both sides will need to express their expectations, including acceptable levels of risk and what both parties are willing to do to fulfill the contract. Some of that is regulated by law, and some of that is regulated by industry-specific regulation. Some of it, especially when it comes to the part of psychological pressure or mental health topics, is agreeably not regulated enough.

 

What I'm trying to say: The duties of employers have limits, the employee does have a significant amount of responsibility - depending on the level he is hired on and depending on the role he has - to act on his or her behalf. Especially if I hire somebody in a manager role.

 

36 minutes ago, HenrySalayne said:

Your "deal with it" approach will get you fined or charged with criminal negligence in any developed country.

You're massively confusing the terms responsibility, accountability, and liability here. No, definitely, a "hiring somebody to deal with it" approach is very common everywhere. That is the whole purpose of having somebody dealing with compliance, security, basically the definition of all non-functional requirements of your operation.

[yuck]

33 minutes ago, Cooldoe said:

Employer have responsibility if they put the employees in highly dangerous jobs.

Social Media Manager facing some. Social media surely not fit into the criteria.

In regards to onlyfans issue, people seem to jump into conclusion because it is a porn web you will see porn stuff but the reality is onlyfans is similar to Parthenon membership where you can only interact with chanel that you are subscribed into. In addition, the timeline for the onlyfans channels is very temporary.

The chance you see inappropriate content with a joke LTT onlyfans is smaller or at most equal to managing twitter account. There is no negligence there at all.

 

It is funny to see that so many people interested to become white knight to defend woman while forgetting as a famous creator Linus probably received a tons of hate mail, inappropriate contents and death treat even before this issue. 

"Why are you guys not defending the rich white guy who owns the 100 million dollar company and could prevented this whole situation in the first place".

...yeah...

[Cooldoe]

2 minutes ago, yuck said:

"Why are you guys not defending the rich white guy who owns the 100 million dollar company and could prevented this whole situation in the first place?"

....yeah, I'm wondering the same.....

Err i am referencing about the social media harm that he was referencing about.

I am specifically talk about the thing Linus have to endure in his daily life before this incident as it is a normal part of his work and he is technically and employees of LMG as well.

It just seem to be a lot of people want tk put guardrail to protect a woman but fail to notice the same issue also occurred to other people in the vicinity as well