Madison reveals experiences working at LMG

[hmfaysal]

3 minutes ago, Cooldoe said:

Maybe she is referring to the april fool joke where LMG make onlyfans account as a joke.

Dunno. If she was there when LMG make that april fool joke though

No I am talking about this.
 

 

[Majestic12]

3 minutes ago, Cooldoe said:

Maybe she is referring to the april fool joke where LMG make onlyfans account as a joke.

Dunno. If she was there when LMG make that april fool joke though

I find it odd she mentioned that because social media accounts get their share of this type of content by default. I can understand an OnlyFans would get more of it but if I was in her place, I would have taken steps to minimize the "damage".

 

I mean, do you know what part of my job is? I have to edit the most gruesome pictures for cigarette packaging and I get the FULL images, not the cut down ones you see on the packets. It's not a fun job and some of the pictures almost make me gag but it's my job.

[Cooldoe]

2 minutes ago, hmfaysal said:

No I am talking about this.
 

 

Yap. That was the joke onlyfans account they made as april fool joke

That they run for around 1-2 months then decide to close as it was a joke account and never meant to be a serious for them.

 

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1320978-ltt-has-a-new-home/

[mMontana]

7 hours ago, Kangar said:

Colin added his grain of sand, it seems real 

IMO Colin summarized that he already hear she speak about that.

[hmfaysal]

2 minutes ago, Cooldoe said:

Yap. That was the joke onlyfans account they made as april fool joke

That they run for around 1-2 months then decide to close as it was a joke account and never meant to be a serious for them.

 

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1320978-ltt-has-a-new-home/

Who forced her to run that medium? She complained that she wasn't comfortable doing it. But someone made her do it. 

[GhostSix]

3 minutes ago, Cooldoe said:

Yap. That was the joke onlyfans account they made as april fool joke

That they run for around 1-2 months then decide to close as it was a joke account and never meant to be a serious for them.

 

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1320978-ltt-has-a-new-home/

Joke or not, forcing someone (since there was no other Social Media operators) to operate a system of that explicit nature is just wrong. 

[digitalscream]

2 minutes ago, Reclus said:

Well it really seems that we agree on the principle and just have different opinions on the approach. 

 

True enough. It is a forum, after all...we need to argue about something

2 minutes ago, Reclus said:

There are too many assumptions from my perspective in this case to clearly take a stand on one side or another. It may very well be that I have some bias towards not following legal advice and going to Twitter, but I have not seen Twitter being helpful in these situations and only making it worse. Also - corporations only understand money. Sueing or threatening to sue usually is enough for a corporation to very quickly behave reasonably and check what the law and practice should be.

But again that really requires a spine and being able to handle stress.

I do think we need to take into account the fact that Madison was (and is) very young and inexperienced at the time - while those of us in our 30s and 40s and jaded by experience in soulless corporations wouldn't hesitate to bring out the big guns and get the authorities involved, we almost certainly wouldn't have done when we were first starting out. Add to that the confidence-knocking effects of everything that happened (whether she was good at her job or not, that's still the result), and it's easy to see that her first instinct would've been to just escape and not deal with it; thoughts of pushing back likely wouldn't even have occurred to her for months afterwards. I've seen that myself with my wife and my daughter after leaving extremely poorly-behaved companies, and was equally mystified as to why they didn't take it further until I saw what it had taken out of them (not something I'm prone to).

 

Ultimately, though, we're just entertaining ourselves by discussing all of this while waiting to see the end result of the investigation and what Terren does with it; one way or another, some kind of public resolution is inevitable because both LMG and Madison need that to progress and move past it (given the way it's been done). All that'll really be left after the investigation is for them to agree on what that looks like - to quote Doctor Who, "How much blood will spill until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning: sit down and talk!".

[Nathat23]

Just now, hmfaysal said:

Who forced her to run that medium? She complained that she wasn't comfortable doing it. But someone made her do it. 

The thread was created by James so I'd assume he had some part in it.

[hmfaysal]

2 minutes ago, Nathat23 said:

The thread was created by James so I'd assume he had some part in it.

I love mind maps

[tomycat]

The one thing that mesmerizes the most that most people (esp. on reddit) don't even think about the possibility that Madison might be either lying or just hyperbolising things for her own personal gain. Even if it's true to some extent about what she said, she might not want any change within the company or any justice for her colleagues, but just to badmouth the company and seek personal revenge against the colleagues or management. If so, she choose a very convenient time for this.

 

Perhaps I am wrong, I don't know.

 

But there is a strong possibility, at least I sensed this kind of vibe from the tweets she made, some arguments in them sound quite frankly a bit ridiculous, or even ambiguous. At least judging from my own personal experience as a small business co-owner for past 10 years, I know for certain that not every person that I employed was a decent human being. I've seen people spreading rumours, leaving bad reviews or just being plain angry, insulting me and other coworkers, heck even my CLIENTS (yep, it happened), flaming conflicts and so on. A LOT of people leave companies disgruntled, even those who quit themselves. And sometimes there are extremely edgy people that take it to the next level.

 

So yeah, maybe I am wrong, but I could also understand a scenario like this.

 

EDIT: Oh, and by the way, I am from Europe, where we do have laws that protect workers, unions and etc. Some unions, esp. in big companies are trash by the way, because they end up swayed easily by opposing politicians or competitors. Oh, and to fire someone in Europe costs a lot of money, so we try to avoid it if it's possible and talk things through.

[hmfaysal]

1 minute ago, tomycat said:

The one thing that mesmerizes the most that most people (esp. on reddit) don't even think about the possibility that Madison might be either lying or just hyperbolising things for her own personal gain. Even if it's true to some extent about what she said, she might not want any change within the company or any justice for her colleagues, but just to badmouth the company and seek personal revenge against the colleagues or management. If so, she choose a very convenient time for this.

 

Perhaps I am wrong, I don't know.

 

But there is a strong possibility, at least I sensed this kind of vibe from the tweets she made, some arguments in them sound quite frankly a bit ridiculous, or even ambiguous. At least judging from my own personal experience as a small business co-owner for past 10 years, I know for certain that not every person that I employed was a decent human being. I've seen people spreading rumours, leaving bad reviews or just being plain angry, insulting me and other coworkers, heck even my CLIENTS (yep, it happened), flaming conflicts and so on. A LOT of people leave companies disgruntled, even those who quit themselves. And sometimes there are extremely edgy people that take it to the next level.

 

So yeah, maybe I am wrong, but I could also understand a scenario like this.

 

This is the main thing, isn't it? Looks like she spoke with Steve about these issues.

 

 

[GhostSix]

3 minutes ago, tomycat said:

The one thing that mesmerizes the most that most people (esp. on reddit) don't even think about the possibility that Madison might be either lying or just hyperbolising things for her own personal gain. Even if it's true to some extent about what she said, she might not want any change within the company or any justice for her colleagues, but just to badmouth the company and seek personal revenge against the colleagues or management. If so, she choose a very convenient time for this.

 

Perhaps I am wrong, I don't know.

 

But there is a strong possibility, at least I sensed this kind of vibe from the tweets she made, some arguments in them sound quite frankly a bit ridiculous, or even ambiguous. At least judging from my own personal experience as a small business co-owner for past 10 years, I know for certain that not every person that I employed was a decent human being. I've seen people spreading rumours, leaving bad reviews or just being plain angry, insulting me and other coworkers, heck even my CLIENTS (yep, it happened), flaming conflicts and so on. A LOT of people leave companies disgruntled, even those who quit themselves. And sometimes there are extremely edgy people that take it to the next level.

 

So yeah, maybe I am wrong, but I could also understand a scenario like this.

See that's the two side to it... Reddit / Twitter takes one side, the forum takes another is usually the case, but in this instance it appears to be spread out.  I do hope that the investigation is done in the right manner with a complete timeline full of context.   Longer it drags out, the longer the drama will be, but in this instance better to be factually accurate.

[hmfaysal]

1 minute ago, WallacEngineering said:

 

Actually no, inaccurate testing and misrepresenting products have been complained about in comments of LMG videos for some time now.

 

Of course the whole Billet Labs thing SOUNDS worse when you use words like THEFT or STEAL but there was definitely some misunderstanding involved.

 

As for Steve not knowing all the facts - Ya you are right he didn't, but its also not his fault:

 

A.) LMG would have ignored Steve or said its none of his business as they have been every other time he has reached over the past 2 years and so as a result...

 

B.) He never would have gotten the full story to begin with. Both Billet and Linus Omitted details - so how the hell is Steve supposed to be 100% accurate when he can't gain access to 100% of the information?

 

The video's public release is what got the truth to finally come out so it still would have been the exact same situation had GN reached out anyways unless he specifically used a thread - "Im gonna go public if LMG boes not tell me the truth" - Which hell no, Steve would NEVER be that guy.

 

Steve would still have only gotten some information from Billet Labs themselves and we now know that they lied about it to attack LMG for some reason so basically there was only one way for this situation to go down.

 

Steve makes mistakes like anyone else like how he kinda fumbled around a bit in the second video regarding Linus's 5-Year-Old response because he was in such shock and awe he couldn't keep it together.

 

However, despite that human error - Going Public was still the best move. Nothing would have changed otherwise because LMG would have continued to ignore criticism and would have continued to slowly destroy their own reputation.

 

Unfortunately you are correct about the Madison situation - it simply adds to the Chaos and despite the fact the entire thing is BS and LMG technically doing nothing wrong in this situation, people are absolute Hyenas these days with drama and scavenge every little bit they can.

 

This kind of crap is why I hate drama and hate the human race in general these days. What has happened to us? Everyone these days seems to be a complete ass hole, nobody shows respect or care for their fellow man anymore, and every single little thing is all about money anymore - even family matters.

 

Well, predictions from environmental scientists are starting to emerge that we are going to kill Planet Earth and ourselves before we can escape to Mars and well if it happens - I guess thats just Karma now isn't it?

Well, things will die down after lets say next Thursday? Meh. the subs Steve gained, he can't monetize that, infact, it may hurt his bottom line, as viewed minutes/subscribers ratio is used by the recommender algorithm as a feature. 

As for Madison, I love mind maps

 

[Cooldoe]

8 minutes ago, GhostSix said:

Joke or not, forcing someone (since there was no other Social Media operators) to operate a system of that explicit nature is just wrong. 

She is the social media operator and their content is mostly linus and some of the staff picture. None of them are explicit as far as I know. I did not sign up so I did not see anything.

Maybe someone who sign up can share.

 

As far as I know onlyfans only allow communication with people that subscribe to your channel. Seeing that is was a joke account I cannot understand how some would send explicit content considering almost all subscriber know that this is a joke account and as far as I know no one know she run the account. Unless she told the subscriber.

 

To be fair the job should not have explicit content as the whole thing is a joke. So I wonder how she can have that experience

[Reclus]

2 minutes ago, digitalscream said:

True enough. It is a forum, after all...we need to argue about something

I do think we need to take into account the fact that Madison was (and is) very young and inexperienced at the time - while those of us in our 30s and 40s and jaded by experience in soulless corporations wouldn't hesitate to bring out the big guns and get the authorities involved, we almost certainly wouldn't have done when we were first starting out. Add to that the confidence-knocking effects of everything that happened (whether she was good at her job or not, that's still the result), and it's easy to see that her first instinct would've been to just escape and not deal with it; thoughts of pushing back likely wouldn't even have occurred to her for months afterwards. I've seen that myself with my wife and my daughter after leaving extremely poorly-behaved companies, and was equally mystified as to why they didn't take it further until I saw what it had taken out of them (not something I'm prone to).

 

Ultimately, though, we're just entertaining ourselves by discussing all of this while waiting to see the end result of the investigation and what Terren does with it; one way or another, some kind of public resolution is inevitable because both LMG and Madison need that to progress and move past it (given the way it's been done). All that'll really be left after the investigation is for them to agree on what that looks like - to quote Doctor Who, "How much blood will spill until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning: sit down and talk!".

The problem really might be - what happens after.

LMG is a company. There is enough knowledge and experience there for them to manage even in the worst case scenario. Linus will just have to postpone making videos of his swimming pool.

For Maddison however - the worst case scenario looks really bleak. Someone mentioned here that her posts had a shock value that will subside. I have to agree. The more time passes the more reason will be applied to what she posted under emotional duress. If the investigations bring nothing to light and all of it will just stand on what she posted... The angry mobs never stop. If LMG looses and is publicly eviscerated - again - as we can very clearly seen on this forum - the angry mobs never stop.

The entire thing started because she was being hounded on Twitter. She turned the volume on this by a 1000%. 

[hmfaysal]

Just now, Cooldoe said:

She is the social media operator and their content is mostly linus and some of the staff picture. None of them are explicit as far as I know. I did not sign up so I did not see anything.

Maybe someone who sign up can share.

 

As far as I know onlyfans only allow communication with people that subscribe to your channel. Seeing that is was a joke account I cannot understand how some would send explicit content considering almost all subscriber know that this is a joke account and as far as I know no one know she run the account. Unless she told the subscriber.

 

To be fair the job should not have explicit content as the whole thing is a joke. So I wonder how she can have that experience

No no, you have ride the thought process. She is signaling. Take the bait.

[Kresnik-02]

41 minutes ago, avg123 said:

Louis Rossmann on Linus SA

 

 

 

This isn't Louis Rossman on LMG (there is no sexual alegation against Linus at all) SA at all. This is Louis quoting Eli the Crazy Guy about predicting the obvious of a expanding company on a field of mostly males and forgeting that company culture is hard to deal with.

[tomycat]

1 minute ago, GhostSix said:

See that's the two side to it... Reddit / Twitter takes one side, the forum takes another is usually the case, but in this instance it appears to be spread out.  I do hope that the investigation is done in the right manner with a complete timeline full of context.   Longer it drags out, the longer the drama will be, but in this instance better to be factually accurate.

Yeah, this is all speculation. We might not even hear the verdict, to be honest. If certain parties refuse their names revealed, we might not get anything too specific, so I encourage people just to continue with their lives and cool down a bit.

[hmfaysal]

1 minute ago, Reclus said:

The problem really might be - what happens after.

LMG is a company. There is enough knowledge and experience there for them to manage even in the worst case scenario. Linus will just have to postpone making videos of his swimming pool.

For Maddison however - the worst case scenario looks really bleak. Someone mentioned here that her posts had a shock value that will subside. I have to agree. The more time passes the more reason will be applied to what she posted under emotional duress. If the investigations bring nothing to light and all of it will just stand on what she posted... The angry mobs never stop. If LMG looses and is publicly eviscerated - again - as we can very clearly seen on this forum - the angry mobs never stop.

The entire thing started because she was being hounded on Twitter. She turned the volume on this by a 1000%. 

Well said sir, she made the error of thinking she has the support of a large tech channel (GN 2 mill subs), she made a calculated move, but she is bad at maths, its as simple as that. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, hmfaysal said:

Well, things will die down after lets say next Thursday? Meh. the subs Steve gained, he can't monetize that, infact, it may hurt his bottom line, as viewed minutes/subscribers ratio is used by the recommender algorithm as a feature. 

As for Madison, I love mind maps

 

Regarding the Only fans. LMG should be held accountable and they should face the full consequences of their actions. This is not part of the GN and LMG situation. It is more serious and should be taken very seriously by everyone.

[Godiwa]

3 minutes ago, hmfaysal said:

Well, things will die down after lets say next Thursday? Meh. the subs Steve gained, he can't monetize that, infact, it may hurt his bottom line, as viewed minutes/subscribers ratio is used by the recommender algorithm as a feature. 

As for Madison, I love mind maps

 

the onlyfans account was for a video and was for a very short period... she was the "social media" person... so of course that one was her job while it lasted... omg omg ppl sent "revealing pictures" well delete them and block the people, move on... not like she had to sit and lick the screen or anything... and she wasn't on that account personally... it was Linus on the account she merely managed it.

[Cooldoe]

1 minute ago, hmfaysal said:

No no, you have ride the thought process. She is signaling. Take the bait.

Her post actually make me doubt her more as the onlyfans account is a joke. If someone show her explicit content there then I will question why as the subs should know it is a joke account and you cannot msg without subbing. 

[hmfaysal]

1 minute ago, 3m3m said:

Regarding the Only fans. LMG should be held accountable and they should face the full consequences of their actions. This is not part of the GN and LMG situation. It is more serious and should be taken very seriously by everyone.

Yes, thats what I am saying. We need to hunker down on it. I think this OnlyFans thing is the key.

[fastferry]

1 hour ago, kn1ghtnsh1narmr said:

Does it depend?

 

What if she said the harassment was looking at her across the room.

 

Can we all agree that saying go get coffee together outside of work is an incompetent answer that shows a lack of judgment?

I agree.

 

This incompetence and tone-deafness is a symptom of startup growing pains where the "manager" does not have enough experience managing people.  This ostrich-head-in-sand approach extends beyond bumbling startups - it's all too human.  I know somebody who was harassed during class (stealth photos taken without consent and uploaded to social media) in college.  It did subside after my friend yelled loudly enough for everybody to hear.  Student services suggested they "go out for coffee with [the perp] and try to work things out."  The prof did nothing to enforce rules in class ("safe space" my foot).  After a couple of months, the offender didn't do enough homework to complete the course anyway.

 

A manager's job is to mediate disputes by sitting both parties down or meeting with each one separately.  This is the opportunity for, "dude wtf I was just looking at her from across the room!"  If the manager doesn't have the skills, I guess that's what the 3rd-party HR firm is for.

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