Posted May 14, 2014 http://www.techspot.com/news/56746-scientists-prove-graphene-dispels-fundamental-law-of-physics.html I'll miss all those fancy watercooling setups althought i dont have one myself. Let me know what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 14, 2014 Wow, goodbye noctua. We will really have silent pcs now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 14, 2014 I wouldn't be surprised if they started to create their own energy to power themselves (possibly using the energy from the heat). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 14, 2014 Wow, good buy noctua. We will really have silent pcs now. What does this have to do with Noctua? Sponsored Build log (In Progress): The Utterly Imbalanced CaseLabs TX10-D build(s)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 14, 2014 Electronics of the future will have super conductive materials, thus generate no resistance so no heat! (assuming a super conductive material at room temp is made/discovered) CPU: Intel 3570 GPUs: Nvidia GTX 660Ti Case: Fractal design Define R4 Storage: 1TB WD Caviar Black & 240GB Hyper X 3k SSD Sound: Custom One Pros Keyboard: Ducky Shine 4 Mouse: Logitech G500 Ubisoft's Anthem: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/249540-my-ubisoft-song/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 14, 2014 Electronics of the future will build themselves out of the box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 14, 2014 The problem is though as soon as this tech becomes a reality we will simply squeeze more cores in and more transistors so there will always be heat to be taken away. And that is a good thing because we will always get more powerful hardware every year. (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") GTX 1070 5820K 500GB Samsung EVO SSD 1TB WD Green 16GB of RAM Corsair 540 Air Black EVGA Supernova 750W Gold Logitech G502 Fiio E10 Wharfedale Diamond 220 Yamaha A-S501 Lian Li Fan Controller NHD-15 KBTalking Keyboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 14, 2014 What does this have to do with Noctua? Well making components that cool themselves eliminates the need for heatsinks or fans and that's all noctua makes kinda has everything to do with them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 14, 2014 Well making components that cool themselves eliminates the need for heatsinks or fans and that's all noctua makes kinda has everything to do with them... Oh you meant goodbye! I thought for some reason you were under the impression that Noctua had bought this technology Sponsored Build log (In Progress): The Utterly Imbalanced CaseLabs TX10-D build(s)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 14, 2014 I could be very wrong on this, but I think the article is wrong....the fact that the more graphene you have, the better transfer of heat you get does not mean the end of heatsinks and fans. It would mean you could transfer away heat quicker, but the heat needs to go somewhere. The better thing to take out of this article is imagine the potential for heatsinks and fans, if graphene is for example 100x more efficient then you need 100th the surface area....or by keeping the heatsinks the same size, you could get cooling that will really heat up your room (by pushing your CPU's output even higher) 0b10111010 10101101 11110000 00001101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 14, 2014 I wouldn't be surprised if they started to create their own energy to power themselves (possibly using the energy from the heat). awesome idea! GLaDOS: i5 6600 EVGA GTX 1070 FE EVGA Z170 Stinger Cooler Master GeminS524 V2 With LTT Noctua NFF12 Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8 GB 3200 MHz Corsair SF450 850 EVO 500 Gb CableMod Widebeam White LED 60cm 2x Asus VN248H-P, Dell 12" G502 Proteus Core Logitech G610 Orion Cherry Brown Logitech Z506 Sennheiser HD 518 MSX Lenovo Z40 i5-4200U GT 820M 6 GB RAM 840 EVO 120 GB Moto X4 G.Skill 32 GB Micro SD Spigen Case Project Fi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 14, 2014 This sounds really cool. Can't really imagine what it would really look like though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 14, 2014 I wouldn't be surprised if they started to create their own energy to power themselves (possibly using the energy from the heat). Except that you have just "invented" a perpetual motion machine or sorts. They are very impossible, especially for a computer. There is simply no way that a device can power itself because it is impossible for it to 100% efficiently use the energy that it outputs; even if it was, nothing would happen because part of that energy is data for your computer to work. I will be interested to see where this goes, but they way they explained it in the article didn't quite add up because as @WanderingFool said, that wouldn't eliminate the need for cooling, just make it possible for it to be more efficient and effective. HTTP/2 203 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 14, 2014 I remember thinking about technology like this and how damn awesome it'd be, but I just made myself sad since I love watercooling and all that it entails. FX 6300 @4.8 Ghz - Club 3d R9 280x RoyalQueen @1200 core / 1700 memory - Asus M5A99X Evo R 2.0 - 8 Gb Kingston Hyper X Blu - Seasonic M12II Evo Bronze 620w - 1 Tb WD Blue, 1 Tb Seagate Barracuda - Custom water cooling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 14, 2014 I could be very wrong on this, but I think the article is wrong....the fact that the more graphene you have, the better transfer of heat you get does not mean the end of heatsinks and fans. It would mean you could transfer away heat quicker, but the heat needs to go somewhere. The better thing to take out of this article is imagine the potential for heatsinks and fans, if graphene is for example 100x more efficient then you need 100th the surface area....or by keeping the heatsinks the same size, you could get cooling that will really heat up your room (by pushing your CPU's output even higher) You are not wrong. In fact, Thermene's gen 2 graphene based thermal paste is proving pretty impressive in my tests. It has better thermal conductivity compared to AS5 and MX4 and on par with PK3 with the batch I tested. This particular batch is not even the best they can make so I am very optimistic about this product. Check out their website if anyone is interested (I obviously have no vested interest in the product): http://thermene.com/ Sponsored Build log (In Progress): The Utterly Imbalanced CaseLabs TX10-D build(s)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 14, 2014 The problem is though as soon as this tech becomes a reality we will simply squeeze more cores in and more transistors so there will always be heat to be taken away. And that is a good thing because we will always get more powerful hardware every year. umm did u read the article or just the title?? The only reason heat is generated is because of the inefficiency in silicone. Graphene is 100% effecient meaning there will be no heat Finally my Santa hat doesn't look out of place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 14, 2014 The title is over sensationalized to be honest. The article says that graphene would have little to no resistance in heat transfer. Unlike other metals and alloys, graphe also increases its heat transmittance with an increase in area (or volume). Meaning that there could be better heat conductivity to be dispelled, not making it self cooling. In CPUs this could meant the integrated heat spreader could be made out of graphene, allowing for more heat to be transferred effectively, and without the limiting heat capacity or aluminum or other metals. ▶ Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning. - Einstein◀ Please remember to mark a thread as solved if your issue has been fixed, it helps other who may stumble across the thread at a later point in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 14, 2014 I wouldn't be surprised if they started to create their own energy to power themselves (possibly using the energy from the heat). I think this is too good to be truth: what this article is implying is basically perpetual free energy. Even on a smaller scale I must adhere to "I believe it when I see it" ------- Current Rig ------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 14, 2014 umm did u read the article or just the title?? The only reason heat is generated is because of the inefficiency in silicone. Graphene is 100% effecient meaning there will be no heat Actually I think you are thinking of Stanene (which is still a theoretical substance as it hasn't be tested and created in real life). Graphene still has inefficiencies in electrical transfer, and the article was talking about heat transfer. As I have said I think the article came to the wrong conclusion and misinterpreted the findings. Having the ability to transfer away more heat does not equate to making the overall system cooler. To be honest I guess an analogy to what I am saying would be putting out 3 blocks of ice, 1 has a regular aluminum heat sink put on it, and another 1 has a graphene heat sink the same size put on it. Which melts first at room temp? The Graphene will because it is heating up the ice faster...coming to the conclusion that Graphene will be able to cool down something still will depend on the heat output vs cooling efficiency. I think this is too good to be truth: what this article is implying is basically perpetual free energy. Even on a smaller scale I must adhere to "I believe it when I see it" I agree, the article is taking a minor discovery and turning it into the next big thing by throwing all logic out the window 0b10111010 10101101 11110000 00001101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 14, 2014 Except that you have just "invented" a perpetual motion machine or sorts. They are very impossible, especially for a computer. There is simply no way that a device can power itself because it is impossible for it to 100% efficiently use the energy that it outputs; even if it was, nothing would happen because part of that energy is data for your computer to work. I will be interested to see where this goes, but they way they explained it in the article didn't quite add up because as @WanderingFool said, that wouldn't eliminate the need for cooling, just make it possible for it to be more efficient and effective. Never said it was going to happen now, but I can imagine that some in the future, some of the energy from the heat can instead be transferred into another form of energy (possibly electrical). Who knows, maybe something like that would be some form of cooling. It probably won't give enough to power to the entire system, but it would be more efficient than the heat waste and the slightly more power required to cool it. Technology will surprise us. I'm sure of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 15, 2014 Actually I think you are thinking of Stanene (which is still a theoretical substance as it hasn't be tested and created in real life). Graphene still has inefficiencies in electrical transfer, and the article was talking about heat transfer. As I have said I think the article came to the wrong conclusion and misinterpreted the findings. Having the ability to transfer away more heat does not equate to making the overall system cooler. To be honest I guess an analogy to what I am saying would be putting out 3 blocks of ice, 1 has a regular aluminum heat sink put on it, and another 1 has a graphene heat sink the same size put on it. Which melts first at room temp? The Graphene will because it is heating up the ice faster...coming to the conclusion that Graphene will be able to cool down something still will depend on the heat output vs cooling efficiency. I agree, the article is taking a minor discovery and turning it into the next big thing by throwing all logic out the window yeah i was totally off base and now feel stupid Finally my Santa hat doesn't look out of place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 15, 2014 We are still quite a way away from that. Graphene is SO interesting is tons of ways to future technology but still a lot of way to go. The discovery of Graphene(outside of theory) earned Geim and Novoselov a nobel in 2010, so we are very much in the early stages. The Mistress: Case: Corsair 760t CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4GHz(stock speed at the moment) - GPU: MSI 970 - MOBO: MSI Z97 Gaming 5 - RAM: Crucial Ballistic Sport 1600MHZ CL9 - PSU: Corsair AX760 - STORAGE: 128Gb Samsung EVO SSD/ 1TB WD Blue/Several older WD blacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 15, 2014 I think this is too good to be truth: what this article is implying is basically perpetual free energy. Even on a smaller scale I must adhere to "I believe it when I see it" He reveals the trick to a popular 'free energy' BS that came before his video, then he performs a trick of his own at the end, any idea what is going on at the end of this video? I'm thinking he has cut a hole in the carpet, but I'm not sure.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 15, 2014 umm did u read the article or just the title?? The only reason heat is generated is because of the inefficiency in silicone. Graphene is 100% effecient meaning there will be no heat There is no such thing as 100% efficiency. It might be close to 100% but it won't be 100% efficient otherwise we could power the world with perpetual machines and have infinite electricity. That isn't possible so this article is false. (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") GTX 1070 5820K 500GB Samsung EVO SSD 1TB WD Green 16GB of RAM Corsair 540 Air Black EVGA Supernova 750W Gold Logitech G502 Fiio E10 Wharfedale Diamond 220 Yamaha A-S501 Lian Li Fan Controller NHD-15 KBTalking Keyboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 18, 2014 Graphene is not 100% efficient. It is only a semiconductor. A team has found a potential way for graphene to become a superconductor and be 100% efficient at any temperature. http://phys.org/news/2014-03-team-potential-graphene-superconducting.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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