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Its been said way too many times recently but these little editor fixes are RIDICULOUSLY annoying.  If not caught when filming vs the script, then have the host send a voice note, or at least let the editor fill in the 1 second wrong word...

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That's a lot of 12th gen Core i5s...

 

23 minutes ago, swimtome said:

Its been said way too many times recently but these little editor fixes are RIDICULOUSLY annoying.  If not caught when filming vs the script, then have the host send a voice note, or at least let the editor fill in the 1 second wrong word...

Agreed. I can understand errors like this happening on live stream VODs, but for pre-produced content like this is just looks sloppy. Editorial errors should be caught in the last stage of the production process, before the video goes live. The host could jump into a VO booth and loop their fix, and the end result would be much cleaner than playing pop-up video. This is also more accessible for viewers who are primarily listening to the video or just not waiting for editor corrections to pop on-screen.

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1 minute ago, swimtome said:

Its been said way too many times recently but these little editor fixes are RIDICULOUSLY annoying.  If not caught when filming vs the script, then have the host send a voice note, or at least let the editor fill in the 1 second wrong word...

Bonus points if it's meme-ific.

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9 minutes ago, Needfuldoer said:

That's a lot of 12th gen Core i5s...

And they forgot the i5 12500k and the i5 12100

I'm not actually trying to be as grumpy as it seems.

I will find your mentions of Ikea or Gnome and I will /s post. 

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Looks like the Core i5 13600K is the star this generation - if you're a gamer, you really have no reason to buy anything more expensive.

 

That being said, that really only applies if you're building a new system. If you're on AM4, you should just stick with AM4 for now - or really, if your PC is still running everything fine, just keep it. After all, AMD will probably release their updated Ryzen 7000X3D CPUs in just a few months, and I'm sure Intel already has something in the pipeline to counter that with. Yeah, competition!

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I'm kinda dumb but why is there nothing on the i7-13700K? Quick look online says it's been out already but I've seen nothing from LTT or Gamers Nexus

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Launch pricing on the 13900k seems to be wack at the moment. It's unfortunate the review was based on Intel's RCP pricing of $589, but hopefully the prices will settle soon. Right now in the US we have:

 

BestBuy: $690

Microcenter: $570

Newegg: $660

B&H: $660

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So I have a question about the thermal testing.  For Prime95, did you actually dissipate ~250watts continuously with the Noctua D15, or was there a switch to water cooling for that? 

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21 minutes ago, Sarra said:

Bonus points if it's meme-ific.

bonus bonus if it's text to speeech

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I understand this would take a metric ton of testing, but it would be really nice to see a database that would essentially show which GPU/CPU combinations are optimal based on bottlenecking and diminishing returns.  Anthony mentions the only way to really unlock the full potential of the 13900k is with a 4090, but what happens if I have a 3060?  2060?  What are the processors classes that match these GPUs where you aren't running into bottlenecks and diminishing returns. 

 

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That's a lot of benchmark work, LTT team.

 

It's a soul-shattering realization that high-end "consumer" processors basically need water-cooling now. Also, my 2700X is probably ready for retirement already. 

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These chips are actually a little better than I expected. But alas, I think I made the right decision with my 7700x because none of these chips will hold a candle to the 7800x3d this spring. If I lose a hundred bucks or so selling the 7700x so be it lol.

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Okay, so this isn't first time the LTT performance tables allude me. Why is it so hard for you guys to create a table that is easily readable so I don't have to stop every time you show something to me.
 

Making it more readable:
Colour mark the Companies
Sort them Top-down with per Performance tier, exempli gratia i9-13900k R9-7900X i7-13700k R7-7700X
Group them by company; i9-13900k i7-13700k and another group R9-7900X R7-7700X
Or just have the Top performer at the top, like a cpubenchmark.net graph.

Then another thing, why are you guys testing on Windows 11 when still only 12th Gen and newer (excluding AMD) gets a performance boost and everything else a performance hit?
https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/windows-11-2022-update-causing-games-to-stutter-and-frame-rates-to-drop
 

Why not test on Linux when Windows is the actual bottleneck? *this post was written by Linux gang*

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5:15 Don't you mean, more GPU bound if putting less strain on the CPU? 12:15 Blue dots should be labelled 12600K Package Power?

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3 hours ago, ToboRobot said:

Not sure why a world class tech review company would be afraid to publish a CPU review.

This isn't anti clickbait, it's just silly.

That's why i come here to see the comments to just get an idea of the video without having to go through the rigmarole...

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5 hours ago, ToboRobot said:

Not sure why a world class tech review company would be afraid to publish a CPU review.

This isn't anti clickbait, it's just silly.

maybe they're afraid of the backlash from AMD fanboys because their chosen company isn't the winner this gen.

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5 hours ago, Rogue-Agent said:

Okay, so this isn't first time the LTT performance tables allude me. Why is it so hard for you guys to create a table that is easily readable so I don't have to stop every time you show something to me.
 

Making it more readable:
Colour mark the Companies
Sort them Top-down with per Performance tier, exempli gratia i9-13900k R9-7900X i7-13700k R7-7700X
Group them by company; i9-13900k i7-13700k and another group R9-7900X R7-7700X
Or just have the Top performer at the top, like a cpubenchmark.net graph.

Then another thing, why are you guys testing on Windows 11 when still only 12th Gen and newer (excluding AMD) gets a performance boost and everything else a performance hit?
https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/windows-11-2022-update-causing-games-to-stutter-and-frame-rates-to-drop
 

Why not test on Linux when Windows is the actual bottleneck? *this post was written by Linux gang*

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I wish they'd show some things too instead of just throwing charts and graphs. Give us a variety of gameplay footage, show windows booting, running tasks, etc. 

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Are we going to get full-load temps like in AIDA or Cinebench? I saw some voices critizicing LMG for not posting those "gaming temps are vague".
My bad, was distracted while watching, probably like others.

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14 hours ago, Your_Stalker said:

I'm kinda dumb but why is there nothing on the i7-13700K? Quick look online says it's been out already but I've seen nothing from LTT or Gamers Nexus

I would expect that they, and other reviewers, only received 13900K and 13600K as review samples to benchmark ahead of release.

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13 hours ago, Rogue-Agent said:

Okay, so this isn't first time the LTT performance tables allude me. Why is it so hard for you guys to create a table that is easily readable so I don't have to stop every time you show something to me.
 

Making it more readable:
Colour mark the Companies
Sort them Top-down with per Performance tier, exempli gratia i9-13900k R9-7900X i7-13700k R7-7700X
Group them by company; i9-13900k i7-13700k and another group R9-7900X R7-7700X
Or just have the Top performer at the top, like a cpubenchmark.net graph.

Then another thing, why are you guys testing on Windows 11 when still only 12th Gen and newer (excluding AMD) gets a performance boost and everything else a performance hit?
https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/windows-11-2022-update-causing-games-to-stutter-and-frame-rates-to-drop
 

Why not test on Linux when Windows is the actual bottleneck? *this post was written by Linux gang*

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Agree on the graphs part. Like how hard is it to arrange them based on the performance numbers? Why is 294 avg. FPS for Shadow of the Tomb Raider for 13600k below 255 avg. FPS for 12700k?

 

The graphs ARE the reviews for such things and as soon as they are wrongly ordered/numbered/represented, the review video becomes a chore to sit through. Please LTT team, get someone to look at the video entirely before releasing it.

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The video feels very sloppily made. Like they had to rush in last minute and make the video. I get that the video had to be released around the same time as the others but you could have delayed an hour or two and fixed the mistakes rather than damage your integrity to get some extra views early on. 

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I really don't like these graphs, it hurts my brain to look at the, need to pause for ages to get a clue of wtf im looking at.

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