General purpose budget PC ideas for 2022

[Nena Trinity]

Xbox Series S killer:

* Intel Core i3-12100

* B660 D4 motherboard

* 4x8GB of RAM 3200MHz+

* Radeon RX 6500 XT

 

Budget almost PS5:

* Intel Core i3-12100

* B660 D4 motherboard

* 4x8GB of RAM 3200MHz+

* Radeon RX 6600

 

Poor man's PS5 killer:

* Intel core i3-12100

* B660 D4 motherboard

* 4x8GB of RAM 3200MHz+

* Radeon RX 6600 XT

 

PS5 killer:

* Intel core i5-12400

* B660 D4 motherboard

* 4x8GB of RAM 3200MHz+

* Radeon RX 6600 XT

 

Xbox Series X killer:

* Intel core i5-12400

* B660 D4 motherboard

* 4x8GB of RAM 3200MHz+

* Radeon RX 6700 XT

 

Storage:

* For AAA gaming I suggest a SSD preferably over 500GB.

* Secondary SSHD or HDD for older games 1 to 2 terabytes should do it. 

 

[Vishera]

4 minutes ago, Nena Trinity said:

Xbox Series X killer:

* Intel core i5-12400

* B660 D4 motherboard

* 4x8GB of RAM 3200MHz+

* Radeon RX 6700 XT

Why do you need 32GB of RAM?

[jaslion]

Ok so what is your budget?

 

Is this like a guide or? If so I don't agree with 32gb of ram here at all as 16gb is fine for the lower end ones and it would save the people from getting a craptastic 6500xt.

 

As for storage skip hard drives entirely basically unless the user has a need for mass storage of files.

[Nena Trinity]

3 hours ago, Vishera said:

Why do you need 32GB of RAM?

Dual rank, smallest capacity to do that is 32GB with DDR4, also Escape From Tarkov? 

3 hours ago, jaslion said:

Ok so what is your budget?

 

Is this like a guide or? If so I don't agree with 32gb of ram here at all as 16gb is fine for the lower end ones and it would save the people from getting a craptastic 6500xt.

 

As for storage skip hard drives entirely basically unless the user has a need for mass storage of files.

32GB is the lowest possible way to get dual rank, the 6500 XT on a modern board still should do fine and crap all over a series S. Unfortunately AMD did not give it 8GB!

 

 

[jaslion]

And to add on the 12400 is NOT a ps5 or xbox sx killer as well it will later in it's life run into the lack of threads issue since it's just a 10 thread cpu. just like what happened with the current 4 and 6 core i5's and what is going to happen/has happened with the i7 9700k for example and all other 8thread i7's (with the new games and having ANYTHING else going in the background even as simple as discord).

[Vishera]

Just now, Nena Trinity said:

Dual rank, smallest capacity to do that is 32GB with DDR4.

That's not dual rank...

Just go with dual rank DIMMs.

[jaslion]

Just now, Nena Trinity said:

Dual rank, smallest capacity to do that is 32GB with DDR4. 

32GB is the lowest possible way to get dual rank, the 6500 XT on a modern board still should do fine and crap all over a series S. Unfortunately AMD did not give it 8GB!

 

 

The 6500xt is going to run into a solid concrete wall because it won't even be able to encode the new and going to be very popular offline and online video codecs because it was skipped amongst other issues like memory bandwith. Plus it already struggles in games due to the low memory.

 

So yeah whilst in average fps it might beat a series s it's not going to keep that up.

 

Dual rank honestly isn't that big of a deal especially for a lower end rig like that the difference is 5% but you'd spend another 80-100$ on it just for that 5% performance boost here when they could not get crappy other parts. Also you can to this day still get 8gb dual rank sticks hell even 4gb is an option.

[Nena Trinity]

20 minutes ago, jaslion said:

The 6500xt is going to run into a solid concrete wall because it won't even be able to encode the new and going to be very popular offline and online video codecs because it was skipped amongst other issues like memory bandwith. Plus it already struggles in games due to the low memory.

 

So yeah whilst in average fps it might beat a series s it's not going to keep that up.

 

Dual rank honestly isn't that big of a deal especially for a lower end rig like that the difference is 5% but you'd spend another 80-100$ on it just for that 5% performance boost here when they could not get crappy other parts. Also you can to this day still get 8gb dual rank sticks hell even 4gb is an option.

Use the iGPU from the Intel Core to encode? Solid choice to pick Intel with the 6500 XT. 

20 minutes ago, Vishera said:

That's not dual rank...

Just go with dual rank DIMMs.

Then you most buy Kingston HyperX to make sure you get it, no other manufacturer actually gives you the information! If you buy a Crucial 2x16GB kit it doesn't specify if you get Rev E or B! There is no way to tell what memory chip they use. 

23 minutes ago, jaslion said:

And to add on the 12400 is NOT a ps5 or xbox sx killer as well it will later in it's life run into the lack of threads issue since it's just a 10 thread cpu. just like what happened with the current 4 and 6 core i5's and what is going to happen/has happened with the i7 9700k for example and all other 8thread i7's (with the new games and having ANYTHING else going in the background even as simple as discord).

The CPU in the console has less L3 cache than even the i3-12100, plus the i3 manages to push up to 75% of the multi-core score tests in multiple benchmarks! More threads and cores doesn't matter as much as cache do, the truth was FX-8300 was indeed way better than 6300 and 4300 because it had more Cache combined with more FPU units. More cores threads only help if they give more cache and well all modern CPUs have a FPU per core now so any benchmark that uses FPU should reveal the truth, tough most games still do integer tasks. Speaking of the single core performance is over 30% better for 12th Gen over a 4700S the PS5 CPU so it will run all current games faster for sure. 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Dual rank rams make very little difference so they dont matter much, and 32gb is uneccesary for gaming, 16gb is fine

 

24 minutes ago, Nena Trinity said:

Radeon RX 6500 XT

Lmfao that thing belongs in a laptop, if not then it belongs in the pile of obselete or almost obselete ewaste, even a 1660 will obliterate that sad pile of garbage.

 

Only real use would be ultrabudget new pcs but at that point if you are gonna get a quadcore anyways then why not save 80% on the base of the system (cpu, rams, board) and just go for ivy or haswell e3 xeons. That reduces the niche even further to ppl that are too tight on budget to get a good gpu but they need a good cpu, but then theres still older cards like the 1660(ti), 1070, etc. That if you can find for cheap enough will make a more compelling offer than a 6500xt, not to menrion actually having encoders aswell and not being a pile of trash with no encoders effectively making the gpu gaming only

 

Tldr 6500xt is either a laptop gpu or ewaste

[Vishera]

2 minutes ago, Nena Trinity said:

Then you most buy Kingston HyperX to make sure you get it, no other manufacturer actually gives you the information! 

Crucial and SAMSUNG list that in the specifications.

3 minutes ago, Nena Trinity said:

If you buy a Crucial 2x32GB kit it doesn't specify if you get Rev E or B! There is no way to tell what memory chip they use. 

The new stuff are probably Rev B.

 

[jaslion]

9 minutes ago, Nena Trinity said:

Use the iGPU from the Intel Core to encode? Solid choice to pick Intel with the 6500 XT. 

 

Does not work like that on desktop. It's not like a laptop where a gpu can just be switched to on the fly. This is a very up to the motherboard manufacturer feature.

 

9 minutes ago, Nena Trinity said:

The CPU in the console has less L3 cache than even the i3-12100, plus the i3 manages to push up to 75% of the multi-core score tests in multiple benchmarks! More threads and cores doesn't matter as much as cache do, the truth was FX-8300 was indeed way better than 6300 and 4300 because it had more Cache combined with more FPU units. More cores threads only help if they give more cache and well all modern CPUs have a FPU per core now so any benchmark that uses FPU should reveal the truth, tough most games still do integer tasks. Speaking of the single core performance is over 30% better for 12th Gen over a 4700S the PS5 CPU so it will run all current games faster for sure. 

Just no.

 

A game or program is simply going to say hey I need 9 threads do you have that? No? Ok well I'll have to switch a thread constantly to do my calculations and this can cause problems. Cache and whatever doesn't help here it's going to run into a problem.

 

Yes the single core performance is better we know that. Slap a 9600k into a system and oc it a bit the average fps are going to be a LOT better but man is it going to stutter and hitch in a lot of games. This is the faith of the 12100 in a couple years because the consoles simply have more threads which will push for a more multi threaded way of development and we all know the companies will want to waste as little resources as possible to get a game running on all platforms so those 11 threads game XYZ needs to work on a ps5 or xbox will flat out translate over to pc basically and if you don't have those well tough luck. Your cpu might have the overall power but the lack of threads is what eats it.

 

Perfect example again is a 9600k at 5ghz vs a stock clock i7 2600. The 2600 will have MUCH lower average fps but it won't have hitches and stutters (in very recent times it's also starting to become a small problem for it but that is to be expected) the 9600k will have a lot more trouble in A LOT more games because it just does not have the threadcount the games require.

 

The 8300 was better than a 4300 yes I don't know why this comes into the conversation. It was also flat out clocked higher too. If you normalized the clockspeeds the difference was maybe 5% if lucky.

 

Oh and the dual rank thing multiple manufacturers list it. Usually not on the retail sites but a quick model nr google will tell you all you need.

[Nena Trinity]

2 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Dual rank rams make very little difference so they dont matter much, and 32gb is uneccesary for gaming, 16gb is fine

 

Lmfao that thing belongs in a laptop, if not then it belongs in the pile of obselete or almost obselete ewaste, even a 1660 will obliterate that sad pile of garbage.

 

Only real use would be ultrabudget new pcs but at that point if you are gonna get a quadcore anyways then why not save 80% on the base of the system (cpu, rams, board) and just go for ivy or haswell e3 xeons. That reduces the niche even further to ppl that are too tight on budget to get a good gpu but they need a good cpu, but then theres still older cards like the 1660(ti), 1070, etc. That if you can find for cheap enough will make a more compelling offer than a 6500xt, not to menrion actually having encoders aswell and not being a pile of trash with no encoders effectively making the gpu gaming only

 

Tldr 6500xt is either a laptop gpu or ewaste

Dual rank can give up to 10% performance boost in CPU bound scenarios. (also Escape From Tarkov)

 

6500 XT is the only decently priced and easy to obtain in the current market, even used GTX 970 seems to cost mote in some countries. 

 

That quad-core is able to match 75% of a 8-core Zen2 currently in the PS5 and is comparable to a Ryzen 3600 or i5-10600, all used options you posed does not even come close to it. 

[Nena Trinity]

7 minutes ago, Vishera said:

Crucial and SAMSUNG list that in the specifications.

The new stuff are probably Rev B.

 

Samsung sticks is slow for plug and play, plus they do not even bin their crap. 

 

Crucial Rev B in 2x16GB is 100% not dual rank. 

[Nena Trinity]

9 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Does not work like that on desktop. It's not like a laptop where a gpu can just be switched to on the fly. This is a very up to the motherboard manufacturer feature.

How the fuck does Intel and AMD even allow them to do that?!! That should ALWAYS be a option to enable. 

[jaslion]

3 minutes ago, Nena Trinity said:

How the fuck does Intel and AMD even allow them to do that?!! That should ALWAYS be a option to enable. 

It's not built into the chipset so it's a add on feature.

[jaslion]

15 minutes ago, Nena Trinity said:

That quad-core is able to match 75% of a 8-core Zen2 currently in the PS5 and is comparable to a Ryzen 3600 or i5-10600, all used options you posed does not even come close to it. 

As i said in my thing it doesnt matter that the i3 can do all that if it doesnt posses the physical threads needed it will fall behind hard.

[Vishera]

6 minutes ago, Nena Trinity said:

Samsung sticks is slow for plug and play, plus they do not even bin their crap. 

 

Crucial Rev B in 2x16GB is 100% not dual rank. 

You are right,try getting the previous generation - The Ballistix Sport series.

You will see in the description if it's dual rank or not,most of those DIMMs are Rev E

[Vishera]

17 minutes ago, Nena Trinity said:

6500 XT is the only decently priced and easy to obtain in the current market, even used GTX 970 seems to cost mote in some countries. 

Nobody wants the 6500 XT,that's why...

It performs significantly worse than my GTX 1660 and your Vega 56.

[Nena Trinity]

3 minutes ago, jaslion said:

It's not built into the chipset so it's a add on feature.

Well that is probably another reason some brands take more than others I guess? 

2 minutes ago, jaslion said:

As i said in my thing it doesnt matter that the i3 can do all that if it doesnt posses the physical threads needed it will fall behind hard.

30% better single core, it for sure beats it right now! Even if you are right my best bet is that is 2-3 years from now and the i3 may struggle tough the i5-12400 I am very confident will still do good. It actually beats the multi-core and has more even cache than both i3 and PS5 CPU. 

[Nena Trinity]

Just now, Vishera said:

Nobody wants the 6500 XT,that's why...

It performs significantly worse than my GTX 1660 and your Vega 56.

6500 XT is a competitor to 4GB cards only, AMD better make a V2 with 8GB to fix it. Yet the sad truth it's the only card you can 100% sure find in stock right now. Used market is kinda random, uncertain and sometimes more expensive. 

[Vishera]

Just now, Nena Trinity said:

Well that is probably another reason some brands take more than others I guess? 

30% better single core, it for sure beats it right now! Even if you are right my best bet is that is 2-3 years from now and the i3 may struggle tough the i5-12400 I am very confident will still do good. It actually beats the multi-core and has more even cache than both i3 and PS5 CPU. 

The i3 will do fine for now,

Even though video games like fast cores it is recommended to have at least 12 threads,

Though you can get by with 8 for now.

[BlaDoS]

This post is that bad I had to revive my never used account to express how bad this is.

 

For starters, why 4x8gb over IDK, going a 12400 instead.

 

The 6500xt is a waste of silicon, nearly on the scale of the 11900k.

 

Not to mention, you fail to mention other aspects of a PC build, and fail to mention, that none of these systems are a "console killer", as to be a console killer, they need to be of similar price.

 

You did not mention potential substitutions in the off chance they become the better option down the line (Price cuts, sales etc), and being glaringly obvious of your ommission of potential Ryzen/GeForce alternatives.

Nor did you explain properly your reasoning behind any of the builds. 

[Nena Trinity]

1 hour ago, BlaDoS said:

This post is that bad I had to revive my never used account to express how bad this is.

 

For starters, why 4x8gb over IDK, going a 12400 instead.

 

The 6500xt is a waste of silicon, nearly on the scale of the 11900k.

 

Not to mention, you fail to mention other aspects of a PC build, and fail to mention, that none of these systems are a "console killer", as to be a console killer, they need to be of similar price.

 

You did not mention potential substitutions in the off chance they become the better option down the line (Price cuts, sales etc), and being glaringly obvious of your ommission of potential Ryzen/GeForce alternatives.

Nor did you explain properly your reasoning behind any of the builds. 

You always want dual-rank memory setup, it will give better performance. (also Escape From Tarkov needs 32GB to run smoothly)

 

6500 XT is the ONLY GPU currently in stock EVERYWHERE, also it's usable when in a PCI-E 4.0 slot but only then.

 

The prices have started to go down in many regions, the fact that covid is nearly defeated due to vaccinations and herd immunity probably is 1 reason plus crypto is falling apart and gets banned in many countries. 

 

GeForce is never in stock, you are lucky if you find Ryzen in stock but I would like to point out AMD have no Ryzen 3 and 5600 cost more! 

 

The plan here is to make the best possible builds in a slowly recovering market, we have RDNA2 cards in stock mostly 6500 XT to 6600 XT and a few 6900 but 6800 XT and 6700 XT are no show just like GeForce options. If you are in a country with GeForce in stock lucky you!

[BlaDoS]

2 minutes ago, Nena Trinity said:

You always want dual-rank memory setup, it will give better performance. 

 

6500 XT is the ONLY GPU currently in stock EVERYWHERE, also it's usable when in a PCI-E 4.0 slot but only then.

 

The prices have started to go down in many regions, the fact that covid is nearly defeated due to vaccinations and herd immunity probably is 1 reason plus crypto is falling apart and gets banned in many countries. 

 

GeForce is never in stock, you are lucky if you find Ryzen in stock but I would like to point out AMD have no Ryzen 3 and 5600 cost more! 

 

The plan here is to make the best possible builds in a slowly recovering market, we have RDNA2 cards in stock mostly 6500 XT to 6600 XT and a few 6900 but 6800 XT and 6700 XT are no show just like GeForce options. If you are in a country with GeForce in stock lucky you!

Dual Rank memory gaining 10% is a best case scenario for starters, and is not worth chasing over getting a 12400/12400f instead.

Just because its in stock doesn't mean you should buy it, as you said yourself, the price is going down and availability is going up would mean other, much better options should (by your logic) should appear soon.

I never said it was the situation now, but still listing them for potential future reference would be nice, in the off chance a competing CPU or GPU goes down in price (like the 10400 did for instance) At least where I am (Australia) cards from both camps are in stock, some more inflated than others however. That being said, the software perks to Nvidia cards shouldn't be overlooked tbh, because while FFX super sampling is neat and all, DLSS 2.0+ is still the better solution, not to mention the stronger RT performance for those who may look into it if they wish. Thats being the dynamic for a while now, Nvidia for the featurestack, AMD for the price. Myself I purchased a 3060ti over a 6700xt for that reason (if we exclude my driver woes with my 5600xt, which is in itself another potential issue a user may want to consider themselves)

Your issue is none of those builds aren't very well thought out, none of them still maintain any sort of concrete standing other than current stock. 

 

Its better to wait, then to make a bad decision out of desperation.

[Nena Trinity]

10 minutes ago, BlaDoS said:

Just because its in stock doesn't mean you should buy it, as you said yourself, the price is going down and availability is going up would mean other, much better options should (by your logic) should appear soon.

I never said it was the situation now, but still listing them for potential future reference would be nice, in the off chance a competing CPU or GPU goes down in price (like the 10400 did for instance) At least where I am (Australia) cards from both camps are in stock, some more inflated than others however. That being said, the software perks to Nvidia cards shouldn't be overlooked tbh, because while FFX super sampling is neat and all, DLSS 2.0+ is still the better solution, not to mention the stronger RT performance for those who may look into it if they wish. Thats being the dynamic for a while now, Nvidia for the featurestack, AMD for the price. Myself I purchased a 3060ti over a 6700xt for that reason (if we exclude my driver woes with my 5600xt, which is in itself another potential issue a user may want to consider themselves)

Your issue is none of those builds aren't very well thought out, none of them still maintain any sort of concrete standing other than current stock. 

 

Its better to wait, then to make a bad decision out of desperation.

The Nvidia GeForce Experience is utter garbage now, used to be good when I got my GTX 960 and 970.

 

Either way AMD is gonna add their FSR tech into driver and Nvidia seems to do the same, there is absolutely 0 things Nvidia has currently that makes it worth paying the premiums except for the ray tracing being a Gen ahead. Realistically no game that I have played so far is playable with Ray tracing and even if it is you do not wanna have it on due to sacrifices required to get good frame rates. 

 

Oh and my friend who has a RTX 2080 Super absolutely tried to play Fortnite with raytracing using DLSS, results were poor and I doubt a 3080 will be a massive improvement.