Im 19 and im tired of my 9-5 job..

[wasab]

4 hours ago, Sauron said:

Why the US? .

American dream is too strong a brand, myth or not. 

[adarw]

15 minutes ago, wasab said:

American dream is too strong a brand, myth or not. 

the american dream is a big lie.

[wasab]

21 minutes ago, adarw said:

the american dream is a big lie.

Back in the 1860s, upper class Europeans are landlords/landowners. Nobilities all own lands. Land ownership defines your socio-economic class, wealth, status and is the most precious resources. When American federal govermenment were handing out lands for free to anyone whos willing to settle and farm as part of the homestead acts back in the 1860s, countless landless German peasant immmigrants came to USA in waves. Imagine that, once you were a peasant serf, now you are a landlord just like the European nobles.

 

This is where the American dream all started. Now obviously, there is no free lands, no more free lunches.

[Rujdaga]

17 hours ago, cmndr said:

You can make it work... After I finished college I lived off of like half of what I made (after tax) and had a 40 hour week.
Last year I lived off something like 10% - though I'm a relatively high income earner with a frugal lifestyle.

Do you have any skills that you're reasonably good at that can be done on a computer? Web/graphic design, tech support, photography. I suspect that you could find a list and find some sort of platform. You wouldn't necessarily need to go for "great" things, just something to get started.

Some skills might need to be built up to and your first few jobs you might want to underbill (so if you say you worked 10 hours you actually worked 20) since you're effectively training.

For context, LTT itself runs off of this model. They hire relatively cheap Canadians and "sell" videos and ads to relatively affluent Americans.

I know java and python, i owned a dedicated server hosting in 2017, i was selling steam,minecraft accounts,making spigot plugins...

[Rujdaga]

7 hours ago, Sauron said:

I would strongly discourage this, there was never much money to be made in this line of business and it's a lot harder to take off now than it was even just a decade ago.

Why the US? There are plenty of countries in the EU you can move to with better living standards that you can reach more easily than the US. As far as I know Bosnia is also in the process of joining the EU, which would make moving and working in the EU much easier for you.

 

Germany would be a good option that's not too far from Bosnia, Italy is not as good but it's closer and it's better than what you described.

Bosnia is in the  process of joining the EU for over 8 years... It will never be a part of EU, i asked for a raise and he said that hes happy that i asked, and he will give me a raise, we'll see in a few days.

[Rujdaga]

3 hours ago, wasab said:

American dream is too strong a brand, myth or not. 

Not cuz of that, i want cuz my friend makes like $70/hr in the USA as a welder, and ofc cuz of cars and pc parts.

[Rujdaga]

8 hours ago, BetteBalterZen said:

I don't have anything useful to say other than I wish you the best. I understand why you must feel tired. I really wish you all the best. 

Thank you soo much, hopefully something will happen

[Rujdaga]

20 hours ago, Theguywhobea said:

40/hrs a week does suck, but it gets easier as you get older. Moving to the US sounds like it might be a good idea but just remember that it's pretty rare here for anyone to make a living and work less than 40/hrs a week. I have an engineering degree and still do 45-50 hours a week just to afford to live where I do (although I do live near a major city).

Also authorities tried to close the border to restrict young people moving out of the country, finding a better job, retired people here are getting max 350euros per month, my grandpa who sadly passed away, gave me his car 2 days before he passed away, its nothing much but im taking care of it as much as i can, he lost his leg in a war, in the 90s, and he was getting 350e pension, and 350e cuz he was a soldier and cuz he lost a leg. Tell me thats not fucked up, and people here are worried every month if their bills are paid, if they gotta buy a 2k car they gotta take a bank loan, 80% of the people here took a bank loan.

[Sauron]

9 minutes ago, Rujdaga said:

Bosnia is in the  process of joining the EU for over 8 years...

it's not a quick process, there's hope

[Rujdaga]

1 minute ago, Sauron said:

it's not a quick process, there's hope

Theres not much hope, 3 presidents, 3 nations, everyone hates eachother because of war, and they are brainwashed, they pay people 25e so they vote for em -.-

[Rujdaga]

2 minutes ago, Sauron said:

it's not a quick process, there's hope

Also another question for you, i got a gtx 1060 6gb asus dual oc with a broken fan blade, when i get paycheck should i order 2 fans on aliexpress cuz they are cheaper there, here i cannot find any 87mm fan for my gpu

[whm1974]

13 minutes ago, Rujdaga said:

Theres not much hope, 3 presidents, 3 nations, everyone hates eachother because of war, and they are brainwashed, they pay people 25e so they vote for em -.-

How long ago was that War? If I can recall the Balkans area was infamous for always fighting due to Ethnic and Religious differences. And of course other things.

[Sauron]

25 minutes ago, Rujdaga said:

Also another question for you, i got a gtx 1060 6gb asus dual oc with a broken fan blade, when i get paycheck should i order 2 fans on aliexpress cuz they are cheaper there, here i cannot find any 87mm fan for my gpu

if it's just one broken blade I'd keep it as it is, you never know what you get with cheap fans

[wasab]

1 hour ago, Rujdaga said:

Not cuz of that, i want cuz my friend makes like $70/hr in the USA as a welder, and ofc cuz of cars and pc parts.

they probably have their own bussinesses. I look up welder salary on pay scale, the average is well below 70/hr. If you have a successful bussiness, you can make 100+/hr doing anything really, as long as customers are paying and bussiness are booming. 

 

You should be aware of expectatons and the reality. you can certainly strike it rich in the USA if you have the talents, initiative, wisdom, drive, and determination to do it but it will be hard work as well as sacrifice. Dont expect you can do everything you are doing now and be handed everything you desired on a sliver platter just because you cross the border to another country. Majority of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Althoguh the living standards might be higher, most Americans are broke as hell. 

 

If you think you can magically go from peasants to lords and increase your income 1000x with a good car, nice house, trophy wife and kids, then you are subscribing to the American dream and the most unrealistic version of it. You should not believe everything people tell you at face value, especially relatives who already moved abroad. For everyone of these success story, there is also tragedy, struggles, and sacrfices which they will never tell you.

[derr12]

On 2/3/2022 at 11:36 AM, Rujdaga said:

Basically nowhere, because, bosnia has 3 presidents who are really greedy, yes 3 presidents, because in the 90s when there was a war here, bosnia was "split" into 3 pieces/entities/regions, and lemme tell you the cost of the living, gas/diesel is 1.25euro per liter, flour is 20e for 25kg bag, 1 bread is 0.50euro, im paying 19euros for 10mbps internet which is insane, electricity is 50e, trash and water are combined 12e, so u can figure it out, like last month, my sister broke my glasses because i didnt want to go to pick her up at the bus station cuz it was snowy af and my tires are crappy, boom paid 100e for em, bought a gtx 1060 6gb for 250e, and there goes my monthly salary...

woah, unless my exchange rate is off, you are getting cheaper prices there than i am In western canada for basic commodities. 

when i was 19, I worked shit a part time and full time job at minimum wage, then moved in with a bunch of room-mates.  

 

That wage is brutal tho.  Is it possible to migrate to another European country?  I think its like 15/hr for welders in Italy..  

 

[whm1974]

27 minutes ago, derr12 said:

woah, unless my exchange rate is off, you are getting cheaper prices there than i am In western canada for basic commodities. 

when i was 19, I worked shit a part time and full time job at minimum wage, then moved in with a bunch of room-mates.  

 

That wage is brutal tho.  Is it possible to migrate to another European country?  I think its like 15/hr for welders in Italy.. 

It is way off. He sounds like people are having trouble living on the wages there if they have a job to begin with.

[Rujdaga]

1 hour ago, whm1974 said:

How long ago was that War? If I can recall the Balkans area was infamous for always fighting due to Ethnic and Religious differences. And of course other things.

It was from 1992 to 1995, when Serbs attacked prolly every country of ex yu

[TheGreatestGazoo]

Where I work near Vancouver Canada, we had a beautiful woman from Croatia. She was here for a few years but decided to move back to be with family as she missed them too much. It's hard to move so far away by yourself. Canada is quite multicultural and many people here are from other countries. Vancouver has a Bosnian and Herzegovinian Cultural Center as well and can help you link up with fellow country people. Plus you can be very close to the LTT folks! They are hiring all the time too.

 

Canada is a great place to live and much easier to immigrate to than the U.S.A. It is more socialist like European countries - maybe more so in some ways. Marijuana is legal here! LOL! However taxes can be high, but we do get health care paid for by the government and other social assistance programs. Some areas like Alberta have boom and bust years in the oil and gas industry. B.C. is almost always booming in the construction industry. Welders are required in both these industries. My stepfather was a welder and was in the Union. Some jobs were on-site that paid very well and the jobsite included a place to stay and meals included.

 

PC building tends to be more of an entry level job paying lower wages. There are other related type jobs such as network cabling specialists that can pay more but may require some certifications or at least some courses taken at technical schools.

[cmndr]

23 hours ago, adarw said:

the american dream is a big lie.

This is definitely an "it depends" thing.
The American dream, using the same formula that worked in 1958 will fail - don't expect at age 18 to walk to a random business, ask for an application and to have the next 30 years of your life just work out.

The flip of it, my SO's parent's came to the US from a developing country. They struggled for 10-20 years... her father started a business, her mother went into real estate. I strongly suspect that they're multi-millionaires and they put two kids through college... and both of those kids have 6 figure incomes.

At some level, I suspect that if you're in the top 10% in terms of talent and ability (along with the capacity to put those to use, which requires research, mentorship, etc.), the US is a pretty awesome place that makes every other nation not named Switzerland look poor. Switzerland was based off of an internal pay sheet at Google, it's the only country where Americans don't take a major pay cut if they transfer. Think $350,000/year senior engineer in Mountain View, US getting paid half in Toronto, Canada; Dublin, Ireland; or London, UK.

[Rujdaga]

2 hours ago, TheGreatestGazoo said:

Where I work near Vancouver Canada, we had a beautiful woman from Croatia. She was here for a few years but decided to move back to be with family as she missed them too much. It's hard to move so far away by yourself. Canada is quite multicultural and many people here are from other countries. Vancouver has a Bosnian and Herzegovinian Cultural Center as well and can help you link up with fellow country people. Plus you can be very close to the LTT folks! They are hiring all the time too.

 

Canada is a great place to live and much easier to immigrate to than the U.S.A. It is more socialist like European countries - maybe more so in some ways. Marijuana is legal here! LOL! However taxes can be high, but we do get health care paid for by the government and other social assistance programs. Some areas like Alberta have boom and bust years in the oil and gas industry. B.C. is almost always booming in the construction industry. Welders are required in both these industries. My stepfather was a welder and was in the Union. Some jobs were on-site that paid very well and the jobsite included a place to stay and meals included.

 

PC building tends to be more of an entry level job paying lower wages. There are other related type jobs such as network cabling specialists that can pay more but may require some certifications or at least some courses taken at technical schools.

Thats amazing dude, thank you, and yes, is there any way to contact them or?

[cmndr]

11 hours ago, Rujdaga said:

I know java and python, i owned a dedicated server hosting in 2017, i was selling steam,minecraft accounts,making spigot plugins...

See if you can do freelance coding. That is a skill that's valued and I STRONGLY suspect you could get paid more doing that than what you're doing now.

I do recognize that any of this would eat into your time but if you have the aptitude for it, there's multiple ways to monetize coding (app development, QA[quality assurance], testing, etc.)

There's probably OTHER things that I haven't thought of. I'm just exploring things that you could get started on without up front costs (you'd pretty much need the computer you already have, if you ever do videocalls then possibly a phone that you might already have and a stand)

As a hypothetical scenario, you could find a way to develop technical skills AND signal that you have these skills over time. During this stage you could also begin researching immigration. Also be aware that if you're sufficiently good and have a network and/or referrals coming in you can progressively increase your wage. There are Americans who live overseas and do quite well selling services remotely to other Americans/businesses.

[mr moose]

screw the US,  come  to Australia. As a welder you can work your own hours and become a king.    it's probably also easier to get into after covid pisses off.

[Donut417]

On 2/4/2022 at 4:23 PM, Rujdaga said:

Not cuz of that, i want cuz my friend makes like $70/hr in the USA as a welder, and ofc cuz of cars and pc parts.

Yeah if you know a trade you can make some money. The issue is getting a Visa. Half of America is against immigration. Not to mention we have a lot of political, social and economic issues to work out. Right now is not the time to move here, there is too much uncertainty in our economy. We are all waiting for it to go bust. 

[MelonBite]

On 2/5/2022 at 6:21 AM, mr moose said:

screw the US,  come  to Australia. As a welder you can work your own hours and become a king.    it's probably also easier to get into after covid pisses off.

How much they are making over there? 

On 2/5/2022 at 1:37 AM, TheGreatestGazoo said:

Where I work near Vancouver Canada, we had a beautiful woman from Croatia. She was here for a few years but decided to move back to be with family as she missed them too much. It's hard to move so far away by yourself. Canada is quite multicultural and many people here are from other countries. Vancouver has a Bosnian and Herzegovinian Cultural Center as well and can help you link up with fellow country people. Plus you can be very close to the LTT folks! They are hiring all the time too.

 

Canada is a great place to live and much easier to immigrate to than the U.S.A. It is more socialist like European countries - maybe more so in some ways. Marijuana is legal here! LOL! However taxes can be high, but we do get health care paid for by the government and other social assistance programs. Some areas like Alberta have boom and bust years in the oil and gas industry. B.C. is almost always booming in the construction industry. Welders are required in both these industries. My stepfather was a welder and was in the Union. Some jobs were on-site that paid very well and the jobsite included a place to stay and meals included.

 

PC building tends to be more of an entry level job paying lower wages. There are other related type jobs such as network cabling specialists that can pay more but may require some certifications or at least some courses taken at technical schools.

How is Canada housing and renting and living expenses over there? Here in US is fucking dogshit right now. There are people making $80k and still renting apartment.

 

On 2/5/2022 at 3:57 AM, Rujdaga said:

Thats amazing dude, thank you, and yes, is there any way to contact them or?

what do you do now?

And please don't come to US. You will not be able to afford a house and forget rent because 1 job here is not enough here to cover rent unless you have a six figures job and people in your family also working as well. I live in FL and this shit is fk true. 2 bedrooms and 1 bath apartment here is almost $2k/month. 

 

[mr moose]

35 minutes ago, MelonBite said:

How much they are making over there? 

 

Anything from A$600 a week for a full time employed (you don't worry about anything) up to $2000-3000 a week on Union jobs or self employed.  I have to say though, the 2000+ a week jobs don;t come easy, but they are there.  There's also FIFO work on the mines, I'm told they are always looking for welders.  The places is shit but you will pile up the cash and the experience will get you a job anywhere else in the country.

 

Put it this way, you will earn enough to live comfortably and have 4 weeks off a year plus public holidays even if you don't go after the big money. 

 

 

I weld in my spare time,  cash jobs for anyone interested, I charge $45 an hour plus tool/consumable costs.  If I go onsite it's $80 an hour.