I was ready to give HP the crown…

[Emily Young]

HP promised to shake up the PC industry with an innovative new CPU cooler design, and I was this close to declaring it the new gaming performance king of prebuilts...

 

 

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[TetraSky]

So they took the old idea of putting a rad outside of the case and ran with it... Cool.

[Radium_Angel]

The only thing HP is king of, is acronyms for what HP stands for:

 

Hardly Perfect

Has Problems

Horse Pucky

Hideous Product

Horribly Produced

etc.

[CommonTone]

@GabenJr These grids are, in my opinion, not adequately marked and are unnecessarily misleading. The gap from 0 to 99 should to be clearer, especially for something that only shows for a few seconds. Please take the 10 seconds to insert clear bar/line breaks that this is zoomed in on the upper end of the graph. I've tagged the writer but apologies if the editor is more appropriate.

 

 

[GhostRoadieBL]

case looks good other than who thought it would be a good idea to have a 240mm installed in a 360mm designed chamber, and probably the same people thought fan spacing at the front of the case would be best done with blindfolds on! it's the right size for a second 360mm rad so you could run water cooled graphics cards but no no HP thinks ahead and made their case incompatible with any other water cooling components.

[GhostRoadieBL]

4 minutes ago, CommonTone said:

@GabenJr These grids are, in my opinion, not adequately marked and are unnecessarily misleading. The gap from 0 to 99 should to be clearer, especially for something that only shows for a few seconds. Please take the 10 seconds to insert clear bar/line breaks that this is zoomed in on the upper end of the graph. I've tagged the writer but apologies if the editor is more appropriate.

I've been bugged by these practices for a while now, if you are going to put up graphs with percent change, all the graphs should have the same X-scale. if a 1% change needs to look large, the 12% change should be the same ratio larger as well. to fit everything would make the chart perceived difference smaller but visually accurate which is more important in my mind

[Bitter]

Does Intel XTU unlock the CPU power caps?

[poochyena]

1000w PSU? Isn't that extremely overkill? 800w is absolutely plenty

[adarw]

3 hours ago, CommonTone said:

@GabenJr These grids are, in my opinion, not adequately marked and are unnecessarily misleading. The gap from 0 to 99 should to be clearer, especially for something that only shows for a few seconds. Please take the 10 seconds to insert clear bar/line breaks that this is zoomed in on the upper end of the graph. I've tagged the writer but apologies if the editor is more appropriate.

 

 

this isnt the first time this happened. please dont do this again. 

[Luscious]

Proprietary??? I don't think so. Might wanna go back in time 7 years to 2015. CaseLabs had more than one design in their lineup that essentially did exactly this with pedestals on top/bottom and vented side panels. Their Merlin case was a great example as you could mount a front rad/intake and have your single exhaust fan and PSU channel the air out of the main chamber, all the while your rads in the pedestals operated their airflow completely separate.

 

My Shelby in the Mercury S5 does essentially what this HP Omen does. I replaced the two side clear windows on the main chamber with fine mesh to make the entire area breathable - this then feeds cold outside air from the sides to the rads mounted up top that push all their hot air straight out the roof. Then in the bottom pedestal I have a pair of 360 chunky rads in cross flow with 12 fans in push/pull moving air in on one side of the box and out the other. A single intake at the front of the main chamber and a rear fan for exhaust takes care of any heat left behind.

 

And my temperatures prove it - even on the hottest LA summer day my delta stays WELL UNDER 35C. That means in a 30C room no component goes over 65C and the water is safely below 55C as well. Some may call that overkill, I consider it just good design Heck, it's been running for 7 years!!!

 

I paid over $1000 for that custom powder coated CaseLabs case, and that's before the mods I did including sound deadening foam, dust filtering on all the fan openings, badging, custom fan/thumb screws. LCD panel and RGB out the wazoo. All HP did here from the looks of it is cut two rectangular holes in their box and save 50 cents in materials - if they price that case anywhere near $500 then you'll know HP = horribly priced.

[Radium_Angel]

^ Everything old is new again.

[dogwitch]

4 hours ago, poochyena said:

1000w PSU? Isn't that extremely overkill? 800w is absolutely plenty

depends on  model and sku of gpu. some are way more power hungry then others.

[DataStorm]

It's bout that their systems must run. <--- that period is understated. As a pre-build it MUST run at business that acquire those systems to just work, and any goofiness that enthusiasts do can't be supported for that would hit their bottom line, clog up support, repairs, etc. It's loss prevention. Linus does not account for that in the video.

[mikeyw64]

I wonder if its possible to Patent "Common Sense" ?

[Veoronox]

Am I the only one who notices the shakyness of the camera? Didn't the camera crew use stabilisers like that easyrig backpack?

[williamcll]

sounds like they just went through the line without quality control.

[Radium_Angel]

8 hours ago, Veoronox said:

Am I the only one who notices the shakyness of the camera?

It's been that way for years, it appears either they don't use the steadicam rigs, or have no idea how to properly use them. I gave up watching LTT videos except in certain rare instances because of camera shake.

[BlueBlankTank]

I think I found the solution to the underperformance. https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/ish_3912817-3737596-16
this allows you to give more power to the cpu and I think allow you to turbo the ram for XMP compatible ones. It is the official manager that you have to download from HP that isn’t included in the boot manager.

Edited January 17, 2022 by BlueBlankTank

[BlueBlankTank]

Just now, BlueBlankTank said:

I think I found the solution to the underperformance. https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/ish_3912817-3737596-16
this allows you to give more power to the cpu and I think allow you to turbo the ram for XMP compatible ones.

@GabenJr

[picky33]

Anyone have the patent number or a link to the patent, I’m curious what they actually patented because I could create a raised external radiator mount in a day or 2 and print it in another day or 2. 
 

I also wish I could do a CFD on there design because as it looks not no air would be pulled out the top of the case so there no reason to make that part mesh. I’m no longer in college so, I don’t have access to the big fancy CFD software anymore. 

[Veoronox]

9 hours ago, Radium_Angel said:

It's been that way for years, it appears either they don't use the steadicam rigs, or have no idea how to properly use them. I gave up watching LTT videos except in certain rare instances because of camera shake.

Oh okay. I know in some videos its like that. But in this video I noticed a lot.

[ThePootisPower]

Ok hang on, something about LTT's testing don't make sense

Was their control bench using XMP and running the ram at full speed and giving the CPU the full amount of power Intel recommends? If so, what was the point of that whole "if you bought a thousand dollars graphics card you'd buy better memory" shindig? that 2 to 15% performance boost seems dodgy when you consider they bought even better RAM than their equally priced like for like control bench had. What actually was the point of that 15% pc if you're not gonna give it the same specs? That's not a fair comparison - it may be a pragmatic comparison, but the way the video phrased it, it was as if HP could've produced similar performance, when in actuality the specs were not the same.

Also, @BlueBlankTank posted a link to the HP power management software above. I wonder if by uninstalling all the bloatware, LTT has kneecapped Omen and, in a "no bloatware" stance, accidentally removed the ability to activate a higher performance mode? Sure, you could just say "put it in the BIOS", but maybe HP is worried that the average user could muck up the system irreparably through the BIOS, and instead separates out more boring BIOS stuff and the power and speed settings from each other and puts the Speed and Power Settings into an easily accessible piece of software? After all, for every gamer who's a BIOS savvy person, there's probably ten who don't know and twenty who are kids who got it bought for them for christmas. For every Linus Sebastian, there's a Jeremy Clarkson who would probably brick the PC in his quest for more Speed and Power.

[Hornetman]

Ohhh close to what i've suggested, but not quite on the money .

 

[MultiGamerClub]

What does he mean when he said dual rad 240 instead of a 360? I get they could throw another fan in there or a bigger rad but dual?

 

edit: Also, is it possible to normalize the audio when jumping / going to sponsors at the end of a video? At 11:06 the louder jump to that scene/cut scared me haha

Edited January 20, 2022 by MultiGamerClub
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